Wireless workstations dont get software installations from group policy

I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be able to
get
software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.

My guess is that the software installation try to install before wireless
connection completed

any ideas?

ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
> I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be
> able to get
> software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.
>
> My guess is that the software installation try to install before
> wireless connection completed
>
> any ideas?

Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure you've
got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via group policy,
and check the event logs & the results of an rsop.msc.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
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> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>> I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be
>> able to get
>> software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.
>>
>> My guess is that the software installation try to install before
>> wireless connection completed
>>
>> any ideas?
>
> Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure you've
> got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via group policy,
> and check the event logs & the results of an rsop.msc.
>


I have done this it does not seem to make any difference.

its really frustrating me

ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
> message news:uLwO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>> I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be
>>> able to get
>>> software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.
>>>
>>> My guess is that the software installation try to install before
>>> wireless connection completed
>>>
>>> any ideas?
>>
>> Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure
>> you've got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via
>> group policy, and check the event logs & the results of an rsop.msc.
>>
>
>
> I have done this it does not seem to make any difference.
>
> its really frustrating me

Take a look the results of an rsop.msc and also check your event logs.

Wireless is handy but in my experience it's not a true substitute for wired
Ethernet in most situations.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
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> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
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>>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>>> I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be
>>>> able to get
>>>> software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that the software installation try to install before
>>>> wireless connection completed
>>>>
>>>> any ideas?
>>>
>>> Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure
>>> you've got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via
>>> group policy, and check the event logs & the results of an rsop.msc.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have done this it does not seem to make any difference.
>>
>> its really frustrating me
>
> Take a look the results of an rsop.msc and also check your event logs.
>


I have done so,
it either says that if could not find DC and gives a red error icon
or it gives a yellow warning icon saying that it needs to reboot in order to
appy software installations, but never seems to do so


> Wireless is handy but in my experience it's not a true substitute for
> wired Ethernet in most situations.
>

ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
> message news:%23mF0%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
>>> message news:uLwO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>>>> I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be
>>>>> able to get
>>>>> software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is that the software installation try to install before
>>>>> wireless connection completed
>>>>>
>>>>> any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure
>>>> you've got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via
>>>> group policy, and check the event logs & the results of an
>>>> rsop.msc.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have done this it does not seem to make any difference.
>>>
>>> its really frustrating me
>>
>> Take a look the results of an rsop.msc and also check your event
>> logs.
>
>
> I have done so,
> it either says that if could not find DC and gives a red error icon
> or it gives a yellow warning icon saying that it needs to reboot in
> order to appy software installations, but never seems to do so

Try gpresult. Also try dnsdiag (the XP version!).
>
>
>> Wireless is handy but in my experience it's not a true substitute for
>> wired Ethernet in most situations.

Do you *have* to be using wireless for some reason?

How large are the software installs? What is speed of the wireless
connection?

For 'practical' test, install a wire NIC, connect to the Ethernet see if one
of the wireless nodes still has a problem downloading.

Are you certain each class of PC, wired vs. wireless, has the same resultant
policies when it comes to security (group policies). I would assume you, as
I do, have a separate OU for wireless nodes. As with roaming policies, I
wonder if there is a limitation QoS issue that is preventing network from
initiating downloads on wireless network.

"ThatsIT.net.au" <me@work> wrote in message
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>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
> message news:%23mF0%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
>>> message news:uLwO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>>>> I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be
>>>>> able to get
>>>>> software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is that the software installation try to install before
>>>>> wireless connection completed
>>>>>
>>>>> any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure
>>>> you've got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via
>>>> group policy, and check the event logs & the results of an rsop.msc.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have done this it does not seem to make any difference.
>>>
>>> its really frustrating me
>>
>> Take a look the results of an rsop.msc and also check your event logs.
>>
>
>
> I have done so,
> it either says that if could not find DC and gives a red error icon
> or it gives a yellow warning icon saying that it needs to reboot in order
> to appy software installations, but never seems to do so
>
>
>> Wireless is handy but in my experience it's not a true substitute for
>> wired Ethernet in most situations.
>>
>

In news:1E1B229D-7505-4D2C-9794-(E-Mail Removed),
ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> typed:
> I have done so,
> it either says that if could not find DC and gives a red error icon
> or it gives a yellow warning icon saying that it needs to reboot in
> order to appy software installations, but never seems to do so
>

There maybe one or two issues going on. If the wireless are using the
incorrect DNS addresses such as mixing them with ISP's DNS IP addresses, it
would never be able to 'find' the DC(s).You haven't posted any configuration
information, but just to remind you, the cardinal rule is to only use the
internal DNS on all AD members and servers. Configure forwarding on your
internal DNS servers to the ISP's. Otherwise, if using the ISP's in ip
properties, expect problems.

If everything is configured correctly, then I would look at the speed of the
wireless connection. If weak, the GPOs may not apply. By default, everything
expect security and password policies will not apply under 500k.

For better assistance to get to the root of it, please supply the following
information:

1. Unedited "ipconfig /all" of one of your DCs and of a wireless laptop.
2. AD DNS domain name.
3. What type of wireless AP are you using? How is it giving the clients
their IP addresses?

--
Regards,
Ace

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confers no rights.

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT,
MVP Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
Microsoft Certified Trainer

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"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
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> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
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>>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>>> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:uLwO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>>>>> I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be
>>>>>> able to get
>>>>>> software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess is that the software installation try to install before
>>>>>> wireless connection completed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure
>>>>> you've got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via
>>>>> group policy, and check the event logs & the results of an
>>>>> rsop.msc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have done this it does not seem to make any difference.
>>>>
>>>> its really frustrating me
>>>
>>> Take a look the results of an rsop.msc and also check your event
>>> logs.
>>
>>
>> I have done so,
>> it either says that if could not find DC and gives a red error icon
>> or it gives a yellow warning icon saying that it needs to reboot in
>> order to appy software installations, but never seems to do so
>
> Try gpresult.

Have done so it shows all gpo's are appled, is identical to wired
workstations

Also try dnsdiag (the XP version!).

sorry could not find XP version

but ipconfig shows it is getting correct dns and is resolving host correctly


>>
>>
>>> Wireless is handy but in my experience it's not a true substitute for
>>> wired Ethernet in most situations.
>
> Do you *have* to be using wireless for some reason?


Yes, I can not lay wires to certain places


>
>

"beoweolf" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> How large are the software installs? What is speed of the wireless
> connection?


office 2003

speed 2.0mb

"Allow processing across a slow network connection" is selected also


>
> For 'practical' test, install a wire NIC, connect to the Ethernet see if
> one of the wireless nodes still has a problem downloading.

all works fine on wire


>
> Are you certain each class of PC, wired vs. wireless, has the same
> resultant policies when it comes to security (group policies). I would
> assume you, as I do, have a separate OU for wireless nodes. As with
> roaming policies, I wonder if there is a limitation QoS issue that is
> preventing network from initiating downloads on wireless network.


no i have the same OU, i have a gpo on the OU thats has wireless settings at
the moment it is set for all workstations later I will restrick it to a
group of computers using security filtering


>
> "ThatsIT.net.au" <me@work> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
>> message news:%23mF0%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>>> <(E-Mail Removed) hoo.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:uLwO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> ThatsIT.net.au <me@work> wrote:
>>>>>> I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be
>>>>>> able to get
>>>>>> software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess is that the software installation try to install before
>>>>>> wireless connection completed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure
>>>>> you've got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via
>>>>> group policy, and check the event logs & the results of an rsop.msc.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have done this it does not seem to make any difference.
>>>>
>>>> its really frustrating me
>>>
>>> Take a look the results of an rsop.msc and also check your event logs.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have done so,
>> it either says that if could not find DC and gives a red error icon
>> or it gives a yellow warning icon saying that it needs to reboot in order
>> to appy software installations, but never seems to do so
>>
>>
>>> Wireless is handy but in my experience it's not a true substitute for
>>> wired Ethernet in most situations.
>>>
>>
>