Wireless to wireless

I need to put a hub in a location where running cat5 is/could be a real
problem (walls, holes, concrete...(wife)). I have: an Actiontec 704
router (with antenna) and a D-Link 4 port (with antenna). So I'm
thinking 704 next to computer and DSL line, D-Link in remote location
with equipment plugged in there - a wireless hub. I would like to keep
the WEP going. So far I can't get any connection - same WEP, same
channel, same subnet. Directions???????????? Thanks.

Cal Lidderdale <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I need to put a hub in a location where running cat5 is/could be a real
> problem (walls, holes, concrete...(wife)). I have: an Actiontec 704
> router (with antenna) and a D-Link 4 port (with antenna). So I'm
> thinking 704 next to computer and DSL line, D-Link in remote location
> with equipment plugged in there - a wireless hub. I would like to keep
> the WEP going. So far I can't get any connection - same WEP, same
> channel, same subnet.

Concrete!

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:38:39 -0600, Cal Lidderdale <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote in <44d9046a$0$34081$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>I need to put a hub in a location where running cat5 is/could be a real
>problem (walls, holes, concrete...(wife)). I have: an Actiontec 704
>router (with antenna) and a D-Link 4 port (with antenna). So I'm
>thinking 704 next to computer and DSL line, D-Link in remote location
>with equipment plugged in there - a wireless hub. I would like to keep
>the WEP going. So far I can't get any connection - same WEP, same
>channel, same subnet. Directions???????????? Thanks.

You need a wireless client bridge to connect to your wireless router.

What is the "D-Link 4 port"? Does it have a wireless client bridge
mode? If not, it won't work.

WEP is easily cracked. If at all possible, use WPA instead.

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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:38:39 -0600, Cal Lidderdale
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I need to put a hub in a location where running cat5 is/could be a real
>problem (walls, holes, concrete...(wife)).

Wireless doesn't go through concrete. Give up while you're still
sane.

>I have: an Actiontec 704
>router (with antenna) and a D-Link 4 port (with antenna). So I'm
>thinking 704 next to computer and DSL line, D-Link in remote location
>with equipment plugged in there - a wireless hub. I would like to keep
>the WEP going. So far I can't get any connection - same WEP, same
>channel, same subnet. Directions???????????? Thanks.

The Actiontec GT-704 is a wireless router.
My guess is that your "DLink 4 port with antenna" is also a wireless
router.
Wireless routers do not talk to other wireless routers (unless they
both support WDS). This won't work no matter what you do.

More help after you spend a few minutes supplying accurate make and
model information.

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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:38:39 -0600, Cal Lidderdale
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> I need to put a hub in a location where running cat5 is/could be a real
>> problem (walls, holes, concrete...(wife)).
>
> Wireless doesn't go through concrete. Give up while you're still
> sane.

That I know - but to get a cable thru the wall where I wouldn't get
nutered ... is concrete - now I could run it up the wall and punch a
hole .. bout picture frame level - garooon-teede neuering. However
wirelessly from the top of the computer desk (5ft) - staight shot thru
the wall. Then all I hear is "Shees, what a geek!"

>
>> I have: an Actiontec 704
>> router (with antenna) and a D-Link 4 port (with antenna). So I'm
>> thinking 704 next to computer and DSL line, D-Link in remote location
>> with equipment plugged in there - a wireless hub. I would like to keep
>> the WEP going. So far I can't get any connection - same WEP, same
>> channel, same subnet. Directions???????????? Thanks.
>
> The Actiontec GT-704 is a wireless router.
> My guess is that your "DLink 4 port with antenna" is also a wireless
> router.
> Wireless routers do not talk to other wireless routers (unless they
> both support WDS). This won't work no matter what you do.
>
> More help after you spend a few minutes supplying accurate make and
> model information.

D-Link DL-624 - has to be the remote end
Act.tex GT704WG has to be base, it has the DSL port :-/

If what I have on hand can't be made to work - recomdations for a
wireless 'hub'.

Thanks

chuck wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:38:39 -0600, Cal Lidderdale
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to put a hub in a location where running cat5 is/could be a
>>> real problem (walls, holes, concrete...(wife)).
>>
>> Wireless doesn't go through concrete. Give up while you're still
>> sane.
>
> That I know - but to get a cable thru the wall where I wouldn't get
> nutered ... is concrete - now I could run it up the wall and punch a
> hole .. bout picture frame level - garooon-teede neuering. However
> wirelessly from the top of the computer desk (5ft) - staight shot thru
> the wall. Then all I hear is "Shees, what a geek!"
>

You could cheat like I just did.. had to run a cable thru a cement
block/load bearing wall.. Drilled a hole thru the wall, ran the cable, and
then hung a long/big picture over it to cover both the hole and cable...
Long as my sister never takes the picture off the wall, I'm safe....

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:10:05 -0600, chuck <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
in <44da16ef$0$34070$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>Jeff Liebermann wrote:

>> Wireless doesn't go through concrete. Give up while you're still
>> sane.
>
>That I know - but to get a cable thru the wall where I wouldn't get
>nutered ... is concrete - now I could run it up the wall and punch a
>hole .. bout picture frame level - garooon-teede neuering. However
>wirelessly from the top of the computer desk (5ft) - staight shot thru
>the wall. Then all I hear is "Shees, what a geek!"

Consider powerline networking instead. Also phoneline and coax (TV
cable) networking.

>If what I have on hand can't be made to work - recomdations for a
>wireless 'hub'.

You mean wireless client bridge? One that can work through concrete?
No such animals exist.

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John Navas wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:10:05 -0600, chuck <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
> in <44da16ef$0$34070$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
>>> Wireless doesn't go through concrete. Give up while you're still
>>> sane.
>> That I know - but to get a cable thru the wall where I wouldn't get
>> nutered ... is concrete - now I could run it up the wall and punch a
>> hole .. bout picture frame level - garooon-teede neuering. However
>> wirelessly from the top of the computer desk (5ft) - staight shot thru
>> the wall. Then all I hear is "Shees, what a geek!"
>
> Consider powerline networking instead. Also phoneline and coax (TV
> cable) networking.
>
>> If what I have on hand can't be made to work - recomdations for a
>> wireless 'hub'.
>
> You mean wireless client bridge? One that can work through concrete?
> No such animals exist.
>
The concrete only goes up ~4 ft, wood frame the rest of the way up -
it's the side of a walkout basement - but that's the direction I need to
go. I've got the 2 routers - the Actiontec in use, the DLink just
sitting there and I got to thinking .... hmmm AT as base, DL in garage,
wouldn't have to drill hole(s), the DL is a 4 port, I could put the
Single Board controler out there, a camera (best location for that).

A WCB you say - ok, ebay has: Sena NL-2611 CB3 Plus Multi-Client Long
Range Multi-Client Bridge $42 1d+ to run, another $36 4d to run. Your
thoughts???

Or I run cat5 the long way around. Hmmm, just called Actiontec. "Do you
have a WCB? (works with 704). "No, sorry. But ... we do have a MegaPlug
85 IP Over Power module. (and a MP 4port, and a MP module with just an
antenna). (And which one gets me the eggroll?????)

http://www.actiontec.com/products/ho...plug/index.php

$$!@^$^!$^%$#& why can't life just be simple?

(sigh).............

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:08:49 -0600, chuck <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
in <44da40d2$0$34080$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>> You mean wireless client bridge? One that can work through concrete?
>> No such animals exist.
>>
>The concrete only goes up ~4 ft, wood frame the rest of the way up -
>it's the side of a walkout basement - but that's the direction I need to
>go. I've got the 2 routers - the Actiontec in use, the DLink just
>sitting there and I got to thinking .... hmmm AT as base, DL in garage,
>wouldn't have to drill hole(s), the DL is a 4 port, I could put the
>Single Board controler out there, a camera (best location for that).
>
>A WCB you say

AKA Wireless [or Wi-Fi] Ethernet Bridge.

>- ok, ebay has: Sena NL-2611 CB3 Plus Multi-Client Long
>Range Multi-Client Bridge $42 1d+ to run, another $36 4d to run. Your
>thoughts???

That would work, but is old technology. Other options:

* TRENDnet 310APB Wireless Access Point for $28.28
<http://www.listen2it.com/ssproduct.asp?pf_id=10110384>.
Also old technology, but cheaper, and probably better documentation.

* Hawking HWBA54G Wireless-G Multi-Function AP/Bridge for $74.81
<http://www.pagecomputers.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=Networking&category%5Fn ame=18g18c127s2206&product%5Fid=467102>
(or <http://tinyurl.com/fv7zm>). Current technology (802.11g).

* Linksys WRT54G running 3rd-party firmware, either an old one (e.g.,
used on eBay) or a new WRT54GL. Look it up in Wikipedia to see the
different versions and for info on 3rd-party firmware.

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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:08:49 -0600, chuck <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>$$!@^$^!$^%$#& why can't life just be simple?

If it were easy, it would be no fun.

John listed off some good alternatives to wireless and some possible
wireless products. Methinks direct wireless isn't going to work
through the concrete wall, period.

Borrow the phone lines and use them for data (HomePNA). See:
| http://www.homepna.org

Borrow the building cable TV coax and run ethernet over it. Both
data and CATV can coexist on the same cable.
| http://www.multilet.com

Power Line networking (HomePlug).
| http://www.homeplug.org

Drilling a hole and running CAT5 seems like the easist alternative.
Please resist the temptation to shove the wire through the electrical
counduit or wall boxes. It's not safe, a violation of the fire code,
and will get you in very hot water with your insurance carrier.

A friend in Florida tells me that whenever he drills a hole for CAT5
or phone line, he always drills another hole nearby. Invariably,
extra wireing seems to be required.


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