Wireless TO Wired Question

Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic. I'd
greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!

Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it into a
wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a wireless
router or do I need a wireless bridge?

COULD I use my desktop as both a receiver and transmitter (with a
wireless adapter for receiving and a wired adapter for transmitting)?

Thanks!

"MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic. I'd
> greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!
>
> Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it into a
> wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a wireless
> router or do I need a wireless bridge?
>
That's what a NAT router is for is to provide the connection or plumbing. A
typical wireless ascess point NAT router can support wire and wireless
computers that use it.

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp

> COULD I use my desktop as both a receiver and transmitter (with a
> wireless adapter for receiving and a wired adapter for transmitting)?

Yes, you could use the desktop machine wireless NIC (network interface
card) and also it would have a wire NIC in it too so that it could be used
as part of a wire LAN (local are network) or home network.

I'll assume that's what you're talking about.

Duane

"MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic. I'd
> greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!
>
> Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it into a
> wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a wireless
> router or do I need a wireless bridge?

What do you mean by a "wireless internet source" ?

"CWatters" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic. I'd
>> greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!
>>
>> Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it into a
>> wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a wireless
>> router or do I need a wireless bridge?
>
> What do you mean by a "wireless internet source" ?
>
>
It sounds like he wants to have his computer act as a wireless access point
for other users via its built in wireless card - then link them through to
the Internet via his cable modem or ADSL modem.
You can do this, but what's the point in taing the risk allowing others to
use your system?
Don't forget it will be your details traced by police if any of the users do
something naughty.
Disclaimers don't stand up when someone gets the door kicked in at 6am.

>

CWatters wrote:
> "MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic.
>> I'd greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!
>>
>> Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it
>> into a wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a
>> wireless router or do I need a wireless bridge?
>
> What do you mean by a "wireless internet source" ?

Good point.. If it is a true wireless internet source (like a data card for
use with cellphone networks), they actually make wap/routers that use data
cards and then allow both wired and wireless connections to the data card
via the wap/router... which one depends on if you are trying to do that, and
what carrier you have (different links for different providers/hardware)

Peter Pan wrote:
> CWatters wrote:
> > "MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
> >> Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic.
> >> I'd greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!
> >>
> >> Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it
> >> into a wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a
> >> wireless router or do I need a wireless bridge?
> >
> > What do you mean by a "wireless internet source" ?
>
> Good point.. If it is a true wireless internet source (like a data card for
> use with cellphone networks), they actually make wap/routers that use data
> cards and then allow both wired and wireless connections to the data card
> via the wap/router... which one depends on if you are trying to do that, and
> what carrier you have (different links for different providers/hardware)

My internet source is my school's wireless in dorm source. If I can
somehow feed my personal router with this source, I would have better
coverage in my room, in addition to a wired source for my TiVo. Any
thoughts? (Thanks so far)

On 11 Jun 2006 07:05:52 -0700, "MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
:
: Peter Pan wrote:
: > CWatters wrote:
: > > "MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
: > > news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
: > >> Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic.
: > >> I'd greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!
: > >>
: > >> Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it
: > >> into a wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a
: > >> wireless router or do I need a wireless bridge?
: > >
: > > What do you mean by a "wireless internet source" ?
: >
: > Good point.. If it is a true wireless internet source (like a data card for
: > use with cellphone networks), they actually make wap/routers that use data
: > cards and then allow both wired and wireless connections to the data card
: > via the wap/router... which one depends on if you are trying to do that, and
: > what carrier you have (different links for different providers/hardware)
:
: My internet source is my school's wireless in dorm source. If I can
: somehow feed my personal router with this source, I would have better
: coverage in my room, in addition to a wired source for my TiVo. Any
: thoughts? (Thanks so far)

If the wireless source is one of a rather rare class of routers capable of
participating in a mesh network, you could use another such router to convert
the wireless signal back to wired. But unless your dorm is at MIT (or possibly
one of a handful of other schools), your dorm source probably doesn't have
that capability.

Whether you could set up a wireless bridge probably depends on the capability
of the school's router and on how it's configured. Cheap wireless routers
typically have to be dedicated to either bridging or serving users, but better
ones may not have that restriction. If the school's router can't bridge and
serve users at the same time, simple bridging probably isn't an option.

What you might be able to do is use your computer as a router (fairly
straightforward with Windows XP Pro and I think also with most flavors of
Unix). On the WAN side, let your computer's wireless interface talk to (and
obtain its IP address from) the school's router. On the LAN side, connect a
cheap minihub to the computer's RJ-45 interface, and plug your TIVO into that.
Remember that you have to give the TIVO a way to obtain an IP address. So your
computer has to be configured to either pass DHCP protocol through or assign
its own IP addresses using NAT. All this isn't impossible to set up, but it
isn't a job for a newbie either.

Bob

"MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>My internet source is my school's wireless in dorm source. If I can
>somehow feed my personal router with this source, I would have better
>coverage in my room, in addition to a wired source for my TiVo. Any
>thoughts? (Thanks so far)

Most skools have instructions for connecting wired and wireless
routers to their network. For example, here's one for the local
multiversity:
http://resnet.ucsc.edu/phorum/read.php?1,304
The primary issue is authentication. If the university uses the
client MAC address for authentication, hiding behind a router will
also hide the MAC address. I suggest you check with the skools
computer center for specific instructions.

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On 10 Jun 2006 22:51:27 -0700, "MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote in <(E-Mail Removed) .com>:

>Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic. I'd
>greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!
>
>Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it into a
>wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a wireless
>router or do I need a wireless bridge?

You need a wireless client bridge. See the FAQs below.

>COULD I use my desktop as both a receiver and transmitter (with a
>wireless adapter for receiving and a wired adapter for transmitting)?

Yes. Google ICS (Internet Connection Sharing).

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Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_How_To>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>

Thanks guys thats great info!


John Navas wrote:
> On 10 Jun 2006 22:51:27 -0700, "MikeYankees" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote in <(E-Mail Removed) .com>:
>
> >Hi, I tried searching but found nothing about this specific topic. I'd
> >greatly appreciate any advice, THANKS!
> >
> >Ideally, I'd like to take a wireless internet source and turn it into a
> >wired internet source. Is there any way to do this with a wireless
> >router or do I need a wireless bridge?
>
> You need a wireless client bridge. See the FAQs below.
>
> >COULD I use my desktop as both a receiver and transmitter (with a
> >wireless adapter for receiving and a wired adapter for transmitting)?
>
> Yes. Google ICS (Internet Connection Sharing).
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_How_To>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>