Wireless Sharing of Dialup Internet Connection?

Hello-
I bought a Belkin F5D7230-4 Wireless router to play around with. I
don't have DSL or a broadband connection out in the boonies where I
live. I have a desktop running Windows 2000 with a wired NIC and a
notebook running XP with a NIC and WLAN card. Setting the Router up as
defaulted, I can get the two boxes networked together, the notebook
wireless and the desktop wired.

In reading the manual on the Belkin, I see that it can be used as an
Access point, disabling the DHCP and firewall components.

How would you suggest using these components to allow both PCs to use a
shared dial-up internet connection through the desktop's modem.
Thanks,
Erik

Erik wrote:
> Hello-
> I bought a Belkin F5D7230-4 Wireless router to play around with. I
> don't have DSL or a broadband connection out in the boonies where I
> live. I have a desktop running Windows 2000 with a wired NIC and a
> notebook running XP with a NIC and WLAN card. Setting the Router up as
> defaulted, I can get the two boxes networked together, the notebook
> wireless and the desktop wired.
>
> In reading the manual on the Belkin, I see that it can be used as an
> Access point, disabling the DHCP and firewall components.
>
> How would you suggest using these components to allow both PCs to use
> a shared dial-up internet connection through the desktop's modem.
> Thanks,
> Erik

I'm sort of in the same boat, but during the day I use a regular dialup
modem, and after 9 and on weekends I use a cellphone for 1x (about 90-110
connects). In addition I use a PDA (iPAQ w/Built in Wireless), so can't
exactly kill the DHCP thing. Sometimes ICS works, and sometimes it won't.
While I can force in the DNS/subnet etc and have it work, it ONLY works for
one type of connection (not both, IE just dialup modem or sharing of the
cell as a modem).. Drives me nuts... And even stranger, I can use the
software/free trial of access remote to share the internet connections over
a LAN in remote access mode ( www.access-remote-pc.com ) Any answers you
find may work for me too, just hoped some extra info (for my case at least)
may jog someones memory.

On 19 Mar 2005 08:09:35 -0800, "Erik" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Hello-
>I bought a Belkin F5D7230-4 Wireless router to play around with. I
>don't have DSL or a broadband connection out in the boonies where I
>live. I have a desktop running Windows 2000 with a wired NIC and a
>notebook running XP with a NIC and WLAN card. Setting the Router up as
>defaulted, I can get the two boxes networked together, the notebook
>wireless and the desktop wired.
>
>In reading the manual on the Belkin, I see that it can be used as an
>Access point, disabling the DHCP and firewall components.
>
>How would you suggest using these components to allow both PCs to use a
>shared dial-up internet connection through the desktop's modem.

I do dialup sharing with a "lan modem router", usually a 3Com 3c886a:
http://search.ebay.com/3c886a
The built in modem connects to the ISP. The built in router does the
NAT and DHCP required to connect multiple computahs. Your Belkin,
running as an access point, would just plug into one of the 4 LAN
ports on the back of the 3C886A. The main advantage is that you don't
have to leave a dedicated computer with a modem turned on to share the
internet to a 2nd machine.

I've also used similar units made by Webramp available:
http://search.ebay.com/webramp
They work, but the company has been otto biz for a long time and many
of the old bugs are apparently permanent. They are usually really
cheap on eBay, but I don't recommend using them.


--
Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 19 Mar 2005 08:09:35 -0800, "Erik" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Hello-
>I bought a Belkin F5D7230-4 Wireless router to play around with. I
>don't have DSL or a broadband connection out in the boonies where I
>live. I have a desktop running Windows 2000 with a wired NIC and a
>notebook running XP with a NIC and WLAN card. Setting the Router up as
>defaulted, I can get the two boxes networked together, the notebook
>wireless and the desktop wired.
>
>In reading the manual on the Belkin, I see that it can be used as an
>Access point, disabling the DHCP and firewall components.
>
>How would you suggest using these components to allow both PCs to use a
>shared dial-up internet connection through the desktop's modem.
>Thanks,
>Erik
>

You probably would need to run ICS or a simple proxy like Vsocks
lite on the desktop, and connect the wireless router's wan jack
to the NIC in the desktop. The router then should get an IP
address from the desktop ICS/proxy for its wan side, and assign
an IP address to the wireless laptop. ICS/proxy should be setup
to auto dial the isp when a net connection is attempted.

Disable the dhcp server on the router
on the pc connecting to the net set its ip address as 192.168.0.1 (in
the tcp/ip) settings
and the subnet mask as 255.255.255.0
on the pc's connecting to the net have their ip addresses assigned
automatically.
now they should get an ip address from the 192.168.0.1 pc when they
startup.

for dialing up and disconnecting the modem i use a free program called
remote disconnection utility.
its brill and has chat capability too. http://www.twiga.ltd.uk/rdu.asp

the router i am using is the netgear wgt634u but those settings would
be similar i assume.
BTW i got them off netgears tech support so i suppose if u have
problems ring belkin and they will tell you exactly what to do.

Regards
Damo642

On 19 Mar 2005 08:09:35 -0800, in alt.internet.wireless , "Erik"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Hello-
>I bought a Belkin F5D7230-4 Wireless router to play around with. I
>don't have DSL or a broadband connection out in the boonies where I
>live. I have a desktop running Windows 2000 with a wired NIC and a
>notebook running XP with a NIC and WLAN card.
....

Set up ICS on the computer with the modem, and all will magically work. This is
how I used to do it, when I was out in the sticks. If you don't like ICS you can
buy proxy software (wingate is one such). Note that you're going to be using
the router just as a wireless AP and switch, but thats fine. I did the same with
my actiontec unit (and indeed still do, I have 54G router on my cable, and the
actiontec is now serving my back garden with 11B).

--
Mark McIntyre
CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
CLC readme: <http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt>

Thanks for the suggestions. Doing this was pretty simple but a bit
convoluted. I followed Mark and Si's advice since I needed to buy
nothing more (after all, I bought the Belkin for $9.99 (after
rebates)). Here is how I shared this, for those who like the simple
step by step recipes -

1. Share dial up connection, note the IP address that Windows 2000
would assign (192.168.0.1) and then cancel the ICS wizard.
2. Connect from desktop to Belkin via a LAN port. Login to the belkin
on its default (192.168.2.1). This is with the desktop NIC getting its
IP from the Belkin. I then reset the Belkin to the same subnet as the
ICS desktop LAN card. I used 192.160.0.2 Then you lose connection to
the Belkin and cannot reconnect even with the new address (since you
are in a different subnet, I guess).
3.) Manually reset the desktop LAN to 192.168.0.1
4.) Connect to the Belkin and set it as only an access point (disabling
the router and firewall features.) I set its IP to 192.168.0.254 (since
it was defaulted at the top of its original subnet.
5.) Actually share the dial-up connection.
6.) Move the cat5 cable that is connected to the desktop NIC from the
LAN (or "computers") port on the Belkin to the WAN (or "Connection to
Modem") port.
7. Dial up the internet with the desktop.
8. Fire up the notebook and login to the WLAN.
WooHoo.

After typing this up, I realize that I have two or three more steps
than probably were necessary. Whatever...
Thanks again,
Erik

Thanks, Jeff. I used ICS to get the problem solved but I like the idea
of the 3Com doing the work and not needing to power up the desktop to
connect. There are a few on eBay. How does this modem work, that is,
how does a connection to the internet get initiated?
Thanks,
Erik

On 19 Mar 2005 18:01:32 -0800, "Erik" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Thanks, Jeff. I used ICS to get the problem solved but I like the idea
>of the 3Com doing the work and not needing to power up the desktop to
>connect. There are a few on eBay. How does this modem work, that is,
>how does a connection to the internet get initiated?

It's magic. Well, not really.

I assume you mean the 3com unit, not the Webramp. Note that both are
discontinued products.
| http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/d...&sku=3C886A-US
The router looks for any packets with a destination IP address that's
on the internet. If it see's one, and it's not list in a filter
(such as not dialing the internet to do local Windoze NETBIOS name
lookups), then it dials the ISP, logs in, and passes the packet. If
there's no furthur traffic, it hangs up after a pre-specified time
out. It's fairly easy to setup using a web based form and ISP
connection wizard. There are some subtleties (i.e. only a few models
work as a dial-in server), but nothing that would cause problems for
the average home user. It also keeps a log file of which LAN IP
address initiated the dialout, so that if there's a machine that's
misbehaving, it can be easily identified.



--
Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558

I'm sure there are many out there but I've used proxy plus [proxyplus.cz] on
and off for years with very good results.
Web interface for remote modem control, mail and web server etc.....
It does require the host PC to be running but has tons of features and is
free for up to 3 users.

I've been wanting to try comtun from linkbyte but it's not freeware so I
haven't bothered.


"Erik" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the suggestions. Doing this was pretty simple but a bit
> convoluted. I followed Mark and Si's advice since I needed to buy
> nothing more (after all, I bought the Belkin for $9.99 (after
> rebates)). Here is how I shared this, for those who like the simple
> step by step recipes -
>
> 1. Share dial up connection, note the IP address that Windows 2000
> would assign (192.168.0.1) and then cancel the ICS wizard.
> 2. Connect from desktop to Belkin via a LAN port. Login to the belkin
> on its default (192.168.2.1). This is with the desktop NIC getting its
> IP from the Belkin. I then reset the Belkin to the same subnet as the
> ICS desktop LAN card. I used 192.160.0.2 Then you lose connection to
> the Belkin and cannot reconnect even with the new address (since you
> are in a different subnet, I guess).
> 3.) Manually reset the desktop LAN to 192.168.0.1
> 4.) Connect to the Belkin and set it as only an access point (disabling
> the router and firewall features.) I set its IP to 192.168.0.254 (since
> it was defaulted at the top of its original subnet.
> 5.) Actually share the dial-up connection.
> 6.) Move the cat5 cable that is connected to the desktop NIC from the
> LAN (or "computers") port on the Belkin to the WAN (or "Connection to
> Modem") port.
> 7. Dial up the internet with the desktop.
> 8. Fire up the notebook and login to the WLAN.
> WooHoo.
>
> After typing this up, I realize that I have two or three more steps
> than probably were necessary. Whatever...
> Thanks again,
> Erik
>