Wireless routers connected wirelessly

I am trying to setup a wireless access point for my XBox. I have my
main wireless router (DLink 2310) hardwired to my cable modem and want
to have my second wireless router (Linksys WRT54GC) setup as an access
point without having to hardwire it to my main router. Is this
possible?

I would like to hardwire my Xbox into the 2nd router and be able to get
on Xbox Live through the main router, wirelessly.

Please let me know if any clarification is needed. I hope I've
explained this well enough. I've hit a brick wall with this, after a
lot of searching google and xbox.com. I've heard that this may not be
possible, but I'm not sure I can trust that source.

Thanks.

On 28 Nov 2006 06:35:39 -0800, "Tara" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>I am trying to setup a wireless access point for my XBox. I have my
>main wireless router (DLink 2310) hardwired to my cable modem and want
>to have my second wireless router (Linksys WRT54GC) setup as an access
>point without having to hardwire it to my main router. Is this
>possible?

What you want is a "wireless Ethernet bridge". See if your router
supports that mode. If not, you'll need either 3rd party firmware or a
different product.

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On 28 Nov 2006 06:35:39 -0800, "Tara" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I am trying to setup a wireless access point for my XBox. I have my
>main wireless router (DLink 2310)

That would be a Dlink WBR-2310. Please do not abrev or trunc.
I'll assume Xbox 360.

>hardwired to my cable modem and want
>to have my second wireless router (Linksys WRT54GC) setup as an access
>point without having to hardwire it to my main router. Is this
>possible?

No. Not with the WRT54GC.

>I would like to hardwire my Xbox into the 2nd router and be able to get
>on Xbox Live through the main router, wirelessly.

That's not what you previously asked. Basically, the WRT54GC isn't
going to do anything useful.

First, what's wrong with the offical Microsloth Xbox 360 USB wireless
contrivance?
<http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/default.htm>

I can find a suitable alternative, but why bother.

>Please let me know if any clarification is needed. I hope I've
>explained this well enough. I've hit a brick wall with this, after a
>lot of searching google and xbox.com. I've heard that this may not be
>possible, but I'm not sure I can trust that source.

The nice thing about hitting a brick wall is that it feels so good
when you stop.

Clarifications:
1. Which Xbox do you have?
2. Whats wrong with the offical Xbox wireless device (other than the
price)?
3. How far away is the Dlink WBR-2310? Got any walls or floors in
the way? 2.4Ghz doesn't like going through these.
4. Any possible sources of interference nearby? (Microwave ovens,
2.4GHz cordless phones, municipal wireless, other 802.11 devices,
etc)?

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> That would be a Dlink WBR-2310. Please do not abrev or trunc.
> I'll assume Xbox 360.

You are correct with the router name - sorry for the abbv. I have a
regular Xbox - not the 360.

> No. Not with the WRT54GC.

So, I can't set the WRT54GC up as an access point? From the box - it
says that I can. ??

> That's not what you previously asked. Basically, the WRT54GC isn't
> going to do anything useful.

I'm not sure what you are inferring by "not what you previously
asked". I was using two paragraphs to explain what I was trying to do.
Why exactly isn't the WRT54GC useful? Just in this situation - or in
any other?

> First, what's wrong with the offical Microsloth Xbox 360 USB wireless
> contrivance?
> <http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/default.htm>

One, I don't have a 360, and two - you are correct - it's the price.
I don't want to pay $100 for the adapter if I can help it.

> I can find a suitable alternative, but why bother.
Why the animosity?

> Clarifications:
> 3. How far away is the Dlink WBR-2310? Got any walls or floors in
> the way? 2.4Ghz doesn't like going through these.

Only one wall

> 4. Any possible sources of interference nearby? (Microwave ovens,
> 2.4GHz cordless phones, municipal wireless, other 802.11 devices,
> etc)?

No interference from any of these things that you listed.

> What you want is a "wireless Ethernet bridge". See if your router
> supports that mode. If not, you'll need either 3rd party firmware or a
> different product.

John,

Can you explain exactly why a bridge is needed and a router/access
point won't work? I've tried finding out this information and I'm
having a hard time getting an answer. I am a sys admin and even the
guys that I work with are hard-pressed to answer this question. Thanks
for the reply!

On 29 Nov 2006 05:28:22 -0800, "Tara" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<(E-Mail Removed). com>:

>> What you want is a "wireless Ethernet bridge". See if your router
>> supports that mode. If not, you'll need either 3rd party firmware or a
>> different product.

>Can you explain exactly why a bridge is needed and a router/access
>point won't work? I've tried finding out this information and I'm
>having a hard time getting an answer. I am a sys admin and even the
>guys that I work with are hard-pressed to answer this question. Thanks
>for the reply!

<http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Infrastructure>

The network topology of an Infrastructure Wireless LAN (WLAN) is a
point-to-multipoint star, with a single central controller (wireless
access point or wireless router), and one or more wireless clients.

* Clients can connect to one and only one access point, and not to
other clients.

* An access point can only connect to clients, not to other access
points.

Some products can be switched between different modes; e.g., either
an access point or a client bridge, but not both at the same time.

Most Wi-Fi WLANs are Infrastructure.

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On 29 Nov 2006 05:26:29 -0800, "Tara" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<(E-Mail Removed) om>:

>> That would be a Dlink WBR-2310. Please do not abrev or trunc.
>> I'll assume Xbox 360.
>
>You are correct with the router name - sorry for the abbv. I have a
>regular Xbox - not the 360.
>
>> No. Not with the WRT54GC.
>
>So, I can't set the WRT54GC up as an access point? From the box - it
>says that I can. ??

You can't set it up as a Wireless _client_ (Ethernet bridge), which is
what you really need.

>> That's not what you previously asked. Basically, the WRT54GC isn't
>> going to do anything useful.
>
>I'm not sure what you are inferring by "not what you previously
>asked". I was using two paragraphs to explain what I was trying to do.
> Why exactly isn't the WRT54GC useful? Just in this situation - or in
>any other?

Your situation.

>> First, what's wrong with the offical Microsloth Xbox 360 USB wireless
>> contrivance?
>> <http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/default.htm>
>
>One, I don't have a 360, and two - you are correct - it's the price.
>I don't want to pay $100 for the adapter if I can help it.
>
>> I can find a suitable alternative, but why bother.
>Why the animosity?

There's no animosity there, just a rhetorical question.

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My God, just LOOK at all the white space around the text. Don't they
know anything of proper page design?

600 pixels or bust.

John Navas wrote:
> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Infrastructure>

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:28:35 -0600, Louis Ohland <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote in <EGhbh.4$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>My God, just LOOK at all the white space around the text. Don't they
>know anything of proper page design?

White space? Scroll up. That's a navigation column on the left, and an
ad column on the right.

>600 pixels or bust.

Not if you expect me and others like me to respect it.

>John Navas wrote:
>> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Infrastructure>

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John, what's the difference if the white space is caused by a navigation
column or ad column or if the column was set to 600 pixels?

I have got my pound of flesh. Back to my WHR-G54S

John Navas wrote:
>> My God, just LOOK at all the white space around the text. Don't they
>> know anything of proper page design?
>
> White space? Scroll up. That's a navigation column on the left, and an
> ad column on the right.
>
>> 600 pixels or bust.
>
> Not if you expect me and others like me to respect it.
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Infrastructure>
>