Wireless router help

Hi guys,

I live in rural spain so can't get a landline let alone broadband. I
signed up with a local ISP who came out and installed an antenna on my
roof so I can access the internet via their wifi hotspot. Basically I
have a lan cable from this to plug into my laptop. OK works great. So
then I get more adventurous and buy a wireless router so I don't need
the lan cable to my laptop but use the laptops in built wifi to
connect to the router and the internet.

Everything works fine, but I can't access the router to change it's
settings anymore.

Guy I bought it off told me to turn off dhcp, so I accessed router
setup via html at 192.168.1.1 and did just that. He also told me to
change from unsecured to secured, but after I've turned of dhcp I
can't get the setup page on that IP anymore.

Heres a few more details -

windows vista home premium
compaq with inbuilt wifi
e-tech adwg02 wireless router
isp's network cable from antenna plugged into 1st of four lan
connections

network settings show my computer with an IP allocated from ISP, a
gateway with IP allocated by ISP, and in the middle, the ssid of the
router, but with no IP.

It all works fine but I need to access the router to turn on security.

Any ideas, help appreciated.

Thanks,

Nam-kha

You have connected the ISPs device to the first of four LAN ports.

This is incorrect!

You connect ISP equipment to the WAN port. Your wired equipment gets
connected to the LAN ports. Your wireless also connects to the LAN side
of the router via RF (wireless).

The purpose of a router is to sit between two networks and facilitate
connections between them. Also, if traffic is not passing through the
router, how do you expect to derive the security benefits of the router?

What you want is for the router's WAN port to acquire an IP address from
a DHCP server of your ISP. Your host (computer) would acquire an IP
address from the DHCP server within the router. The host would then have
an IP address on the same network (192.168.1.0) as the router's web
server interface, and you would be able to access the web interface.

Right now, your host has an IP address from your ISP's network (not
192.168.1.0), and doesn't know how to reach the router's web interface.

Correct your cabling.

Configure your host with a static IP address (e.g.: 192.168.1.2)
temporarily, connect to the router, turn DHCP back on, configure your
host to use DHCP again, and resume whatever router configuration you desire.

Best Regards,
News Reader


nam-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I live in rural spain so can't get a landline let alone broadband. I
> signed up with a local ISP who came out and installed an antenna on my
> roof so I can access the internet via their wifi hotspot. Basically I
> have a lan cable from this to plug into my laptop. OK works great. So
> then I get more adventurous and buy a wireless router so I don't need
> the lan cable to my laptop but use the laptops in built wifi to
> connect to the router and the internet.
>
> Everything works fine, but I can't access the router to change it's
> settings anymore.
>
> Guy I bought it off told me to turn off dhcp, so I accessed router
> setup via html at 192.168.1.1 and did just that. He also told me to
> change from unsecured to secured, but after I've turned of dhcp I
> can't get the setup page on that IP anymore.
>
> Heres a few more details -
>
> windows vista home premium
> compaq with inbuilt wifi
> e-tech adwg02 wireless router
> isp's network cable from antenna plugged into 1st of four lan
> connections
>
> network settings show my computer with an IP allocated from ISP, a
> gateway with IP allocated by ISP, and in the middle, the ssid of the
> router, but with no IP.
>
> It all works fine but I need to access the router to turn on security.
>
> Any ideas, help appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nam-kha
>

You may have to configure the router's WAN port via the router"s
administrative interface, depending on the ISP.

Typical options are:

- static IP address assignment from ISP
- dynamic IP address assignment from ISP (DHCP)
- PPPoE (authentication via username and password)

You can try the default first if you like, but you would benefit from
reading the manual.

In fact, if you had read and understood the manual, you wouldn't have
mis-configured your network in the first place. No offense intended. :>)

Since your host was connected to the network directly (unprotected by
the router), chances are your host may already be compromised.

You might want to use SpyBot or some other trusted application to scan
your system, and address any issues if found.

Best Regards,
News Reader

News Reader wrote:
> You have connected the ISPs device to the first of four LAN ports.
>
> This is incorrect!
>
> You connect ISP equipment to the WAN port. Your wired equipment gets
> connected to the LAN ports. Your wireless also connects to the LAN side
> of the router via RF (wireless).
>
> The purpose of a router is to sit between two networks and facilitate
> connections between them. Also, if traffic is not passing through the
> router, how do you expect to derive the security benefits of the router?
>
> What you want is for the router's WAN port to acquire an IP address from
> a DHCP server of your ISP. Your host (computer) would acquire an IP
> address from the DHCP server within the router. The host would then have
> an IP address on the same network (192.168.1.0) as the router's web
> server interface, and you would be able to access the web interface.
>
> Right now, your host has an IP address from your ISP's network (not
> 192.168.1.0), and doesn't know how to reach the router's web interface.
>
> Correct your cabling.
>
> Configure your host with a static IP address (e.g.: 192.168.1.2)
> temporarily, connect to the router, turn DHCP back on, configure your
> host to use DHCP again, and resume whatever router configuration you
> desire.
>
> Best Regards,
> News Reader
>
>
> nam-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I live in rural spain so can't get a landline let alone broadband. I
>> signed up with a local ISP who came out and installed an antenna on my
>> roof so I can access the internet via their wifi hotspot. Basically I
>> have a lan cable from this to plug into my laptop. OK works great. So
>> then I get more adventurous and buy a wireless router so I don't need
>> the lan cable to my laptop but use the laptops in built wifi to
>> connect to the router and the internet.
>>
>> Everything works fine, but I can't access the router to change it's
>> settings anymore.
>>
>> Guy I bought it off told me to turn off dhcp, so I accessed router
>> setup via html at 192.168.1.1 and did just that. He also told me to
>> change from unsecured to secured, but after I've turned of dhcp I
>> can't get the setup page on that IP anymore.
>>
>> Heres a few more details -
>>
>> windows vista home premium
>> compaq with inbuilt wifi
>> e-tech adwg02 wireless router
>> isp's network cable from antenna plugged into 1st of four lan
>> connections
>>
>> network settings show my computer with an IP allocated from ISP, a
>> gateway with IP allocated by ISP, and in the middle, the ssid of the
>> router, but with no IP.
>>
>> It all works fine but I need to access the router to turn on security.
>>
>> Any ideas, help appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nam-kha
>>

OK Thanks, I have 4 lan ports on the back of the router and a dsl port
with a different type of connector. Guy I bought the router from said
just use lan 1. Assuming (correct me if i'm wrong) the dsl port is
what you call the wan port, what cabling do i need? I don't want to
break the isp provided lan cat5 lead that originally plugged straight
into the lan port on my pc

btw, i did not get a manula with the router, i bought it second hand.
I have downloaded both uk and spanish manuals from e-tech website, but
they are only 2 pages long and don't really help

Many thanks,

nam-kha

On 27 Mar, 21:28, News Reader <u...@domain.null> wrote:
> You have connected the ISPs device to the first of four LAN ports.
>
> This is incorrect!
>
> You connect ISP equipment to the WAN port. Your wired equipment gets
> connected to the LAN ports. Your wireless also connects to the LAN side
> of the router via RF (wireless).
>
> The purpose of a router is to sit between two networks and facilitate
> connections between them. Also, if traffic is not passing through the
> router, how do you expect to derive the security benefits of the router?
>
> What you want is for the router's WAN port to acquire an IP address from
> a DHCP server of your ISP. Your host (computer) would acquire an IP
> address from the DHCP server within the router. The host would then have
> an IP address on the same network (192.168.1.0) as the router's web
> server interface, and you would be able to access the web interface.
>
> Right now, your host has an IP address from your ISP's network (not
> 192.168.1.0), and doesn't know how to reach the router's web interface.
>
> Correct your cabling.
>
> Configure your host with a static IP address (e.g.: 192.168.1.2)
> temporarily, connect to the router, turn DHCP back on, configure your
> host to use DHCP again, and resume whatever router configuration you desire.
>
> Best Regards,
> News Reader
>
>
>
> nam-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> > Hi guys,
>
> > I live in rural spain so can't get a landline let alone broadband. I
> > signed up with a local ISP who came out and installed an antenna on my
> > roof so I can access the internet via their wifi hotspot. Basically I
> > have a lan cable from this to plug into my laptop. OK works great. So
> > then I get more adventurous and buy a wireless router so I don't need
> > the lan cable to my laptop but use the laptops in built wifi to
> > connect to the router and the internet.
>
> > Everything works fine, but I can't access the router to change it's
> > settings anymore.
>
> > Guy I bought it off told me to turn off dhcp, so I accessed router
> > setup via html at 192.168.1.1 and did just that. He also told me to
> > change from unsecured to secured, but after I've turned of dhcp I
> > can't get the setup page on that IP anymore.
>
> > Heres a few more details -
>
> > windows vista home premium
> > compaq with inbuilt wifi
> > e-tech adwg02 wireless router
> > isp's network cable from antenna plugged into 1st of four lan
> > connections
>
> > network settings show my computer with an IP allocated from ISP, a
> > gateway with IP allocated by ISP, and in the middle, the ssid of the
> > router, but with no IP.
>
> > It all works fine but I need to access the router to turn on security.
>
> > Any ideas, help appreciated.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Nam-kha- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That changes everything. Thanks for including the relevant information
in your two posts.

I assumed (incorrectly) that your WAN port was an Ethernet interface, as
most routers used in residential settings are configured that way.

The ISP equipment you have described has an Ethernet interface; the
router's WAN interface is not Ethernet, therefore they are not compatible.

The guy who sold the router to you must have known the router did not
meet your needs if he advised you to "just use lan 1". This person is
apparently not your friend, as they have taken advantage of you.

To utilize the functionality of a router, traffic must pass through it
(i.e.: your devices on the LAN side, the ISPs devices on the WAN side).
My earlier post explained why you can not access the management
interface from your host.

Right now you have the equivalent functionality of a wireless Access
Point with the exception that you can't even effectively manage it.

Ideally you would return the router to the non-friend, get your money
back, and buy another wireless router.

If that can not be done, consider the following two options:

Option A: Buy another wireless router with the appropriate WAN
interface. Sell the existing router to someone who actually needs a
router with a DSL WAN interface.

Option B: Buy a "non-wireless" router with the appropriate WAN
interface. Attach the existing wireless router to it (LAN port of one
device to LAN port of the other) using a "cross-over" Ethernet cable.
The wireless router will provide the wireless connectivity. The
non-wireless router would provide the security. In order for this to
work you would need the LAN IP addresses of the two routers to be on the
same network (e.g.: 192.168.1.0). HOWEVER, the two IP addresses must NOT
be the same (e.g.: 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2). You would then be able to
manage both devices from your host.

If you pursued option B, you would want to configure the two routers to
have different IP addresses PRIOR to connecting the two routers together
as described above. If they were connected together and had the same IP
address, you would not succeed in configuring them.

Option A would be simpler, and easier for you to implement based on your
skill set.

See if you can return the router to the non-friend. If that fails, I
suggest you pursue Option A.

It's unfortunate that the manufacturer is not committed to providing
adequate documentation. Typically, I would avoid buying products from
such manufactures. If they can't meet their obligations, I can't be
bothered buying their product (not even second hand).

Best Regards,
News Reader

nam-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> OK Thanks, I have 4 lan ports on the back of the router and a dsl port
> with a different type of connector. Guy I bought the router from said
> just use lan 1. Assuming (correct me if i'm wrong) the dsl port is
> what you call the wan port, what cabling do i need? I don't want to
> break the isp provided lan cat5 lead that originally plugged straight
> into the lan port on my pc
>
> btw, i did not get a manula with the router, i bought it second hand.
> I have downloaded both uk and spanish manuals from e-tech website, but
> they are only 2 pages long and don't really help
>
> Many thanks,
>
> nam-kha
>
> On 27 Mar, 21:28, News Reader <u...@domain.null> wrote:
>> You have connected the ISPs device to the first of four LAN ports.
>>
>> This is incorrect!
>>
>> You connect ISP equipment to the WAN port. Your wired equipment gets
>> connected to the LAN ports. Your wireless also connects to the LAN side
>> of the router via RF (wireless).
>>
>> The purpose of a router is to sit between two networks and facilitate
>> connections between them. Also, if traffic is not passing through the
>> router, how do you expect to derive the security benefits of the router?
>>
>> What you want is for the router's WAN port to acquire an IP address from
>> a DHCP server of your ISP. Your host (computer) would acquire an IP
>> address from the DHCP server within the router. The host would then have
>> an IP address on the same network (192.168.1.0) as the router's web
>> server interface, and you would be able to access the web interface.
>>
>> Right now, your host has an IP address from your ISP's network (not
>> 192.168.1.0), and doesn't know how to reach the router's web interface.
>>
>> Correct your cabling.
>>
>> Configure your host with a static IP address (e.g.: 192.168.1.2)
>> temporarily, connect to the router, turn DHCP back on, configure your
>> host to use DHCP again, and resume whatever router configuration you desire.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> News Reader
>>
>>
>>
>> nam-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I live in rural spain so can't get a landline let alone broadband. I
>>> signed up with a local ISP who came out and installed an antenna on my
>>> roof so I can access the internet via their wifi hotspot. Basically I
>>> have a lan cable from this to plug into my laptop. OK works great. So
>>> then I get more adventurous and buy a wireless router so I don't need
>>> the lan cable to my laptop but use the laptops in built wifi to
>>> connect to the router and the internet.
>>> Everything works fine, but I can't access the router to change it's
>>> settings anymore.
>>> Guy I bought it off told me to turn off dhcp, so I accessed router
>>> setup via html at 192.168.1.1 and did just that. He also told me to
>>> change from unsecured to secured, but after I've turned of dhcp I
>>> can't get the setup page on that IP anymore.
>>> Heres a few more details -
>>> windows vista home premium
>>> compaq with inbuilt wifi
>>> e-tech adwg02 wireless router
>>> isp's network cable from antenna plugged into 1st of four lan
>>> connections
>>> network settings show my computer with an IP allocated from ISP, a
>>> gateway with IP allocated by ISP, and in the middle, the ssid of the
>>> router, but with no IP.
>>> It all works fine but I need to access the router to turn on security.
>>> Any ideas, help appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Nam-kha- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>

nam-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> OK Thanks, I have 4 lan ports on the back of the router and a dsl port
> with a different type of connector. Guy I bought the router from said
> just use lan 1. Assuming (correct me if i'm wrong) the dsl port is
> what you call the wan port, what cabling do i need? I don't want to
> break the isp provided lan cat5 lead that originally plugged straight
> into the lan port on my pc
>
> btw, i did not get a manula with the router, i bought it second hand.
> I have downloaded both uk and spanish manuals from e-tech website, but
> they are only 2 pages long and don't really help
>
> Many thanks,
>
> nam-kha
>

Considering all the wrong things he told you about the unamed used thing he
sold you, I'm not surprized it doesn't work... Does it have a name? Were the
guy that sold it to you's lips moving when he talked? if so he wa probably
lying... maybe he's training to be a politican?

Does your unamed box have a reset button? can you even reset it back to
normal and get rid of any mistakes? If it has one, try holding it down for
30 to 60 seconds...... If you don't have an ethernet cable port for wan
input, then you have a boat anchor.. buy a boat......

An additional thought:

I provided Option B mostly for educational value.

I know I could get it to work, but there are additional considerations I
didn't mention, such as disabling the DHCP server in the wireless router.

Overall, I think option B would have many challenges for you.

Best Regards,
News Reader

News Reader wrote:
> That changes everything. Thanks for including the relevant information
> in your two posts.
>
> I assumed (incorrectly) that your WAN port was an Ethernet interface, as
> most routers used in residential settings are configured that way.
>
> The ISP equipment you have described has an Ethernet interface; the
> router's WAN interface is not Ethernet, therefore they are not compatible.
>
> The guy who sold the router to you must have known the router did not
> meet your needs if he advised you to "just use lan 1". This person is
> apparently not your friend, as they have taken advantage of you.
>
> To utilize the functionality of a router, traffic must pass through it
> (i.e.: your devices on the LAN side, the ISPs devices on the WAN side).
> My earlier post explained why you can not access the management
> interface from your host.
>
> Right now you have the equivalent functionality of a wireless Access
> Point with the exception that you can't even effectively manage it.
>
> Ideally you would return the router to the non-friend, get your money
> back, and buy another wireless router.
>
> If that can not be done, consider the following two options:
>
> Option A: Buy another wireless router with the appropriate WAN
> interface. Sell the existing router to someone who actually needs a
> router with a DSL WAN interface.
>
> Option B: Buy a "non-wireless" router with the appropriate WAN
> interface. Attach the existing wireless router to it (LAN port of one
> device to LAN port of the other) using a "cross-over" Ethernet cable.
> The wireless router will provide the wireless connectivity. The
> non-wireless router would provide the security. In order for this to
> work you would need the LAN IP addresses of the two routers to be on the
> same network (e.g.: 192.168.1.0). HOWEVER, the two IP addresses must NOT
> be the same (e.g.: 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2). You would then be able to
> manage both devices from your host.
>
> If you pursued option B, you would want to configure the two routers to
> have different IP addresses PRIOR to connecting the two routers together
> as described above. If they were connected together and had the same IP
> address, you would not succeed in configuring them.
>
> Option A would be simpler, and easier for you to implement based on your
> skill set.
>
> See if you can return the router to the non-friend. If that fails, I
> suggest you pursue Option A.
>
> It's unfortunate that the manufacturer is not committed to providing
> adequate documentation. Typically, I would avoid buying products from
> such manufactures. If they can't meet their obligations, I can't be
> bothered buying their product (not even second hand).
>
> Best Regards,
> News Reader
>
> nam-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> OK Thanks, I have 4 lan ports on the back of the router and a dsl port
>> with a different type of connector. Guy I bought the router from said
>> just use lan 1. Assuming (correct me if i'm wrong) the dsl port is
>> what you call the wan port, what cabling do i need? I don't want to
>> break the isp provided lan cat5 lead that originally plugged straight
>> into the lan port on my pc
>>
>> btw, i did not get a manula with the router, i bought it second hand.
>> I have downloaded both uk and spanish manuals from e-tech website, but
>> they are only 2 pages long and don't really help
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> nam-kha
>>
>> On 27 Mar, 21:28, News Reader <u...@domain.null> wrote:
>>> You have connected the ISPs device to the first of four LAN ports.
>>>
>>> This is incorrect!
>>>
>>> You connect ISP equipment to the WAN port. Your wired equipment gets
>>> connected to the LAN ports. Your wireless also connects to the LAN side
>>> of the router via RF (wireless).
>>>
>>> The purpose of a router is to sit between two networks and facilitate
>>> connections between them. Also, if traffic is not passing through the
>>> router, how do you expect to derive the security benefits of the router?
>>>
>>> What you want is for the router's WAN port to acquire an IP address from
>>> a DHCP server of your ISP. Your host (computer) would acquire an IP
>>> address from the DHCP server within the router. The host would then have
>>> an IP address on the same network (192.168.1.0) as the router's web
>>> server interface, and you would be able to access the web interface.
>>>
>>> Right now, your host has an IP address from your ISP's network (not
>>> 192.168.1.0), and doesn't know how to reach the router's web interface.
>>>
>>> Correct your cabling.
>>>
>>> Configure your host with a static IP address (e.g.: 192.168.1.2)
>>> temporarily, connect to the router, turn DHCP back on, configure your
>>> host to use DHCP again, and resume whatever router configuration you
>>> desire.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> News Reader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> nam-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> I live in rural spain so can't get a landline let alone broadband. I
>>>> signed up with a local ISP who came out and installed an antenna on my
>>>> roof so I can access the internet via their wifi hotspot. Basically I
>>>> have a lan cable from this to plug into my laptop. OK works great. So
>>>> then I get more adventurous and buy a wireless router so I don't need
>>>> the lan cable to my laptop but use the laptops in built wifi to
>>>> connect to the router and the internet.
>>>> Everything works fine, but I can't access the router to change it's
>>>> settings anymore.
>>>> Guy I bought it off told me to turn off dhcp, so I accessed router
>>>> setup via html at 192.168.1.1 and did just that. He also told me to
>>>> change from unsecured to secured, but after I've turned of dhcp I
>>>> can't get the setup page on that IP anymore.
>>>> Heres a few more details -
>>>> windows vista home premium
>>>> compaq with inbuilt wifi
>>>> e-tech adwg02 wireless router
>>>> isp's network cable from antenna plugged into 1st of four lan
>>>> connections
>>>> network settings show my computer with an IP allocated from ISP, a
>>>> gateway with IP allocated by ISP, and in the middle, the ssid of the
>>>> router, but with no IP.
>>>> It all works fine but I need to access the router to turn on security.
>>>> Any ideas, help appreciated.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Nam-kha- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:43 -0400, "Peter Pan"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Considering all the wrong things he told you about the unamed used thing he
>sold you, I'm not surprized it doesn't work... Does it have a name?

He mentioned that it was an e-tech adwg02.
<http://www.e-tech.nu/Product_Group.php?prodtitle=Products&link=wireless 54&LANG=E>
I can't find an adwg02 model.

Once the model is found, he can download the instructions (apparently
in a variey of languages).

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I get the impression that you don't actually need routing, you simply
want an AP for your internet connection and don't need to connect more
than one pc to it.

It seems that your existing router could work as an AP still, you just
want to set the security.

I'm not sure, but try this:

1) disconnect router from the internet and reset the router. Find
the little pinhole in the back or wherever and push in for a few
seconds while plugged in.

2) plug your laptop by ethernet cable into the router. It should now
assign you an address as DHCP should default to on.

3) Find the wireless security settings and adjust.

4) Disconnect the cable and try connecting via wireless to the router,
using your new security key. If all goes well....

5) plug the internet cable back into your LAN and try it now.

6) if there are problems, unplug the internet and plug in your pc.
Go into the interface of the router and disable DHCP

7) try again



Good idea to restart router between changes and different connections.

seaweedsl wrote:
> I get the impression that you don't actually need routing, you simply
> want an AP for your internet connection and don't need to connect more
> than one pc to it.
>
> It seems that your existing router could work as an AP still, you just
> want to set the security.
>
> I'm not sure, but try this:
>
> 1) disconnect router from the internet and reset the router. Find
> the little pinhole in the back or wherever and push in for a few
> seconds while plugged in.
>
> 2) plug your laptop by ethernet cable into the router. It should now
> assign you an address as DHCP should default to on.
>
> 3) Find the wireless security settings and adjust.
>
> 4) Disconnect the cable and try connecting via wireless to the router,
> using your new security key. If all goes well....
>
> 5) plug the internet cable back into your LAN and try it now.
>
> 6) if there are problems, unplug the internet and plug in your pc.
> Go into the interface of the router and disable DHCP
>
> 7) try again
>
>
>
> Good idea to restart router between changes and different connections.
>
What he has is an ADSL Wireless Gateway so using it as an AP means he
has no NAT, no firewall and will be restricted to a single user.
The manual on the website is pretty poor though one of the others might
have info to set it up. Basically he has the wrong item.
<http://www.e-tech.nu/Support_Detail.php?supporttitle=Support&link=adsl& LANG=E>