wireless network to wireless network??

I may have my subject line all wrong. I'm wondering does anyone knows of a
wireless device that can act like a client on one wireless network
(internet access) and in turn act as a WAP for a different network?

Am I being clear here this would be sort of like a wireless bridge but also
act as a wireless router for it's own netowrk? Example there is a
freenet/open wireless network on the other side of a wall. We can make a
small hole in the wall but we already know that the existing network on the
otherside of that wall will not reach into the building with enough signal.
We also know if we put any sort of device like a USB wireless NIC on the
otherside of that wall the USB nic has no trouble getting a good clear
signal. What would be ideal is put the wireless nic in through the hole and
then via wires connect it to the WAN port of a wireless router and then
have clients join the 'new' network for Internet access. Note permission
exists, this is not some signal stealing scheme. I hope this is clearer
then mud and someone can point me toward possible vendors. Don't need
industrail strength, cheap consumer grade will fill this bill fine for
this. What I'm looking for is a way to connect several computers in a room
that seems to be a faraday cage to the wireless network outside. The room
was built of steal and masonry in the 1920's and wireless just won't leak
through those walls.

(note if this doesn't exist in one package, is there a combination of
devices that could make this work without having to have a computer in the
middle other then to confure things)

Thanks.

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Rico wrote:
> I may have my subject line all wrong. I'm wondering does anyone knows of a
> wireless device that can act like a client on one wireless network
> (internet access) and in turn act as a WAP for a different network?

Deliberant LGO2AGN 802.11a/b/g + a/b/g Connectorized Dual Radio has
two antenna ports.

http://www.deliberant.com/estore/web...-products.aspx

> Deliberant LGO2AGN 802.11a/b/g + a/b/g Connectorized Dual Radio has
> two antenna ports.

For that price you could by two other routers; one as a client and the other
as an access point.

> (note if this doesn't exist in one package, is there a combination of
> devices that could make this work without having to have a computer in the
> middle other then to confure things)

Yep, I've used this setup in several situations. Put one router setup as a
client to connect to the external network. Then run ethernet wire to
another one configured as a router providing local wifi. Works great. I
used Linksys WRT54G units with the dd-wrt 3rd party firmware loaded on them.
By using two different routers you get the advantage of placing them where
it's convenient for THAT purpose. This lets the router providing internal
wifi be located where it gives the best coverage. That leaves the external
router free to be placed as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to the antenna picking up the
external wifi.

But basically any maker's devices, one that allowed being a client and the
other a router, would suffice. I simply point out linksys' WRT54G (the
early models and the L model) as being capable of running the more flexible
3rd party firmware choices (other vendors have units that can do this also).
It's worth having this option when getting into non-standard setups like
this.

-Bill Kearney

Bill Kearney wrote:
>> Deliberant LGO2AGN 802.11a/b/g + a/b/g Connectorized Dual Radio has
>> two antenna ports.
>
> For that price you could by two other routers; one as a client and the other
> as an access point.

For that price you get reliability.

"DTC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>> Deliberant LGO2AGN 802.11a/b/g + a/b/g Connectorized Dual Radio has
>>> two antenna ports.
>>
>> For that price you could by two other routers; one as a client and the
>> other as an access point.
>
> For that price you get reliability.

And single point of failure.

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> "DTC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > Bill Kearney wrote:
> >>> Deliberant LGO2AGN 802.11a/b/g + a/b/g Connectorized Dual Radio has
> >>> two antenna ports.
> >>
> >> For that price you could by two other routers; one as a client and the
> >> other as an access point.
> >
> > For that price you get reliability.
>
> And single point of failure.

whereas 2 devices is at least 2 single points of failure (probably 4 if you
use boxes with wall wart PSUs).
>
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Bill Kearney wrote:
> "DTC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>>> Deliberant LGO2AGN 802.11a/b/g + a/b/g Connectorized Dual Radio has
>>>> two antenna ports.
>>> For that price you could by two other routers; one as a client and the
>>> other as an access point.
>> For that price you get reliability.
>
> And single point of failure.

There are two radios and two power supplies in a the box, and I don't
think a steel box is a likely point of failure.

The ONLY reason *I* don't go that route is if I need to replace a radio,
its easier and faster to simply unconnect the power lead and coax line
than to open up the box while sitting up on a tower in the dark in the
rain. Plus I don't risk taking down an entire node of back hauls and
sectored access points.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)> , "Bill Kearney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> (note if this doesn't exist in one package, is there a combination of
>> devices that could make this work without having to have a computer in the
>> middle other then to confure things)
>
>Yep, I've used this setup in several situations. Put one router setup as a
>client to connect to the external network. Then run ethernet wire to
>another one configured as a router providing local wifi. Works great. I
>used Linksys WRT54G units with the dd-wrt 3rd party firmware loaded on them.
>By using two different routers you get the advantage of placing them where
>it's convenient for THAT purpose. This lets the router providing internal
>wifi be located where it gives the best coverage. That leaves the external
>router free to be placed as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to the antenna picking up the
>external wifi.
>
>But basically any maker's devices, one that allowed being a client and the
>other a router, would suffice. I simply point out linksys' WRT54G (the
>early models and the L model) as being capable of running the more flexible
>3rd party firmware choices (other vendors have units that can do this also).
>It's worth having this option when getting into non-standard setups like
>this.
>
>-Bill Kearney
>
>

Thanks Bill, Just as a note these consumer grade devices are enough
quality, failure isn't really an issue. At least for my requirement if one
box or another fails it is no biggie other then rounding up a replacement
for the failed part within a week or two time span (this would actually
allow going to ebay or some similar source). I noticed from the thread that
we got off into a reliability discussion. In many cases I can see where
this would be critical, in my case if it fails some one says 'darn it
failed, can you get me going in this room again before the end of the
month?' This just isn't mission critical and in truth my user will not be
in 'the room' but occasionally (we stick out of towners in here).

Now to the point, I hadn't considered two DD-WRT boxes, but that is indeed
a clear option. Do you know of a more 'compact' solution. What I was
envisioning, though this appears to not be an option, was stick one of
those USB wireless receivers on the end of a usb cable and have it hooked
into a wireless router via the WAN port or similar connect point. The
reason I thought (wrongly it appears) this might work is way back in the
early days of 802.11b I had a Linksys (before Cisco) B wireless router that
actually accepted a USB connection. Do you know of anyone making a compact
bridge device like this, that in effect converts the USB 2.0 to ethernet on
the other end. I admit I'm no engineer so this may require more electronics
then could fit in a device that small. I've seen bridges that of course are
a wireless 'receiver' with an ethernet output for hooking up say an old
laptop or a desktop to a wireless net, but the bridge I saw was a rather
large physical box, I was hoping someone knew of similar in a package like
one of those USB wireless devices (plus wire of course). Power on either
end is not a problem.

Thanks again though for reminding me of the obvious solution though a bit
'large'. I feel silly not thinking about two DD-WRT devices. Like I said I
was just hoping for something smaller and more portable. But you gotta do
what you gotta do.

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In article <(E-Mail Removed)> , "Bill Kearney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> its easier and faster to simply unconnect the power lead and coax line
>> than to open up the box while sitting up on a tower in the dark in the
>> rain.
>
>And going back to the point of the original thread, such a box wouldn't be
>terribly useful anyway. Multiple radios on the outside isn't what he's
>after. That and, as I suggested, being able to place the radios
>independently, and use situationally appropriate antennae (very likely to be
>different) would make a lot more sense.
>
>

Right in my case I don't need weather proof beyond the most basic. Indoor
equipment is more then rugged enough. I'm looking for cheap and compact, I
can sacrifice 'reliable/rugged' since as the engineers say you can only
have so many options. When I say I can sacrfice relaible I mean a failure
of a part now and again is not a deal breaker for me in this application.
As long as I can make this work more often then not. Compact is my most
desired feature with cheap a close second.

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