Wireless laptops sharing Internet?

A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops. All
laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the internet via
a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using TCP/IP
I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I ensured
that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the net.
It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7 laptops
could surf the net quite happily.

I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each laptop
an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access the
Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on, and
all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails to
resolve a page.

What am I missing???

Still a novice, but experimenting to learn!!

On 28/10/03 6:13 pm, in article bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed), "13"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops. All
> laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the internet via
> a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using TCP/IP
> I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I ensured
> that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the net.
> It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7 laptops
> could surf the net quite happily.
>
> I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each laptop
> an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access the
> Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on, and
> all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails to
> resolve a page.
>
> What am I missing???
>
You need to tell each laptop where to get its DNS details from - i.e where
to go to resolve xx.xx.x.x. Into www. Blah blah

Yes I think I understand, am I looking for a particular DNS address or can I
say select Google? Or do I need to point to Master or my ISP??

Oh hell I think I have lost the plot.


"Graham in Melton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:BBC46ED1.16B2F%(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 28/10/03 6:13 pm, in article bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed), "13"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops.
All
> > laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the internet
via
> > a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using
TCP/IP
> > I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I
ensured
> > that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the
net.
> > It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7
laptops
> > could surf the net quite happily.
> >
> > I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each
laptop
> > an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> > Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access
the
> > Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on,
and
> > all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails to
> > resolve a page.
> >
> > What am I missing???
> >
> You need to tell each laptop where to get its DNS details from - i.e where
> to go to resolve xx.xx.x.x. Into www. Blah blah
>
>

OK thinking about it some more.........I need to get this from my ISP??? If
so is there a static IP address to link to..........oh hell they are dynamic
aren't they?

Thanks for help Graham

"Graham in Melton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:BBC46ED1.16B2F%(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 28/10/03 6:13 pm, in article bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed), "13"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops.
All
> > laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the internet
via
> > a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using
TCP/IP
> > I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I
ensured
> > that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the
net.
> > It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7
laptops
> > could surf the net quite happily.
> >
> > I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each
laptop
> > an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> > Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access
the
> > Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on,
and
> > all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails to
> > resolve a page.
> >
> > What am I missing???
> >
> You need to tell each laptop where to get its DNS details from - i.e where
> to go to resolve xx.xx.x.x. Into www. Blah blah
>
>

If by "Internet Sharing" you mean you're using MS's ICS, you need to forget
about assigning IP's to the computers. Your master will be assigned
192.168.0.1 (IIRC) by the ICS software and each connecting computer will get
their own IP in that family.

"13" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed)...
> A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops. All
> laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the internet
via
> a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using
TCP/IP
> I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I
ensured
> that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the net.
> It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7
laptops
> could surf the net quite happily.
>
> I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each laptop
> an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access the
> Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on, and
> all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails to
> resolve a page.
>
> What am I missing???
>
> Still a novice, but experimenting to learn!!
>
>

One reason that I decided to allocate IP addresses to each laptop was that
for some unknown reason I would sometimes end up with say one group of three
laptops being within their own mini network able to see each other, but not
the other group who could see Master. In other words two separate networks
using the same workgroup. Wireless ssid was the same for both groups.

Thanks for help John
"John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%wznb.22443$(E-Mail Removed). ..
> If by "Internet Sharing" you mean you're using MS's ICS, you need to
forget
> about assigning IP's to the computers. Your master will be assigned
> 192.168.0.1 (IIRC) by the ICS software and each connecting computer will
get
> their own IP in that family.
>
> "13" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops.
All
> > laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the internet
> via
> > a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using
> TCP/IP
> > I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I
> ensured
> > that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the
net.
> > It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7
> laptops
> > could surf the net quite happily.
> >
> > I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each
laptop
> > an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> > Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access
the
> > Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on,
and
> > all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails to
> > resolve a page.
> >
> > What am I missing???
> >
> > Still a novice, but experimenting to learn!!
> >
> >
>
>

Your ISP should be able to provide addresses for primary and secondary DNS
servers. Enter those addresses instead of the "automatic" option.

Bob Horton

--

"13" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bnmh87$1oq$(E-Mail Removed)...
> One reason that I decided to allocate IP addresses to each laptop was that
> for some unknown reason I would sometimes end up with say one group of
three
> laptops being within their own mini network able to see each other, but
not
> the other group who could see Master. In other words two separate networks
> using the same workgroup. Wireless ssid was the same for both groups.
>
> Thanks for help John
> "John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%wznb.22443$(E-Mail Removed). ..
> > If by "Internet Sharing" you mean you're using MS's ICS, you need to
> forget
> > about assigning IP's to the computers. Your master will be assigned
> > 192.168.0.1 (IIRC) by the ICS software and each connecting computer will
> get
> > their own IP in that family.
> >
> > "13" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops.
> All
> > > laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the
internet
> > via
> > > a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using
> > TCP/IP
> > > I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I
> > ensured
> > > that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the
> net.
> > > It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7
> > laptops
> > > could surf the net quite happily.
> > >
> > > I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each
> laptop
> > > an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of
255.255.255.0
> > > Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access
> the
> > > Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on,
> and
> > > all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails
to
> > > resolve a page.
> > >
> > > What am I missing???
> > >
> > > Still a novice, but experimenting to learn!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Okay - both are right.

If you want to allocate IP addresses for the reasons you've stated, stick to
192.168.x.x as that¹s the conventional address space for the private subnet.

As to the DNS servers, look at the Help info for your ISP, and find their
DNS server IP addresses. They will have the details on the help pages.

Set each laptop to 192.168.x.1, and set its DNS servers to the same as your
ISP suggests. All should work.

As one posted put it, all the laptops should get all that info automatically
from the Pc connected to the gateway HOWEVER I do have personal experience
of wireless routers off the back of XP machines having 'flaky' DNS settings
i.e the gateway laptop appears to sort of forget the DNS servers. A
colleague of mine told me it was actually the router at fault as it loses
details as they time out in its buffer, and the whole subnet goes awol.

HTH

On 28/10/03 7:48 pm, in article bnmh87$1oq$(E-Mail Removed), "13"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> One reason that I decided to allocate IP addresses to each laptop was that
> for some unknown reason I would sometimes end up with say one group of three
> laptops being within their own mini network able to see each other, but not
> the other group who could see Master. In other words two separate networks
> using the same workgroup. Wireless ssid was the same for both groups.
>
> Thanks for help John
> "John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%wznb.22443$(E-Mail Removed). ..
>> If by "Internet Sharing" you mean you're using MS's ICS, you need to
> forget
>> about assigning IP's to the computers. Your master will be assigned
>> 192.168.0.1 (IIRC) by the ICS software and each connecting computer will
> get
>> their own IP in that family.
>>
>> "13" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops.
> All
>>> laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the internet
>> via
>>> a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using
>> TCP/IP
>>> I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I
>> ensured
>>> that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the
> net.
>>> It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7
>> laptops
>>> could surf the net quite happily.
>>>
>>> I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each
> laptop
>>> an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
>>> Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access
> the
>>> Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on,
> and
>>> all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails to
>>> resolve a page.
>>>
>>> What am I missing???
>>>
>>> Still a novice, but experimenting to learn!!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"13" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed):

> I then was able to create a simple network
> without using TCP/IP

You have absolutelly no idea about networks, do you ? :/

> I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each
> laptop an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of
> 255.255.255.0 Once again all machines see each other, except I am not
> able to access the Internet from any other machine except Master.
> Internet sharing is on, and all machines see the internet conection,
> but Internet explorer fails to resolve a page.
>
> What am I missing???

gateaway

> Still a novice, but experimenting to learn!!

NTG

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Also be sure the subnet mask is 255 255 255 0 on each comp.

"Graham in Melton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:BBC4AFF5.16B79%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Okay - both are right.
>
> If you want to allocate IP addresses for the reasons you've stated, stick
to
> 192.168.x.x as that¹s the conventional address space for the private
subnet.
>
> As to the DNS servers, look at the Help info for your ISP, and find their
> DNS server IP addresses. They will have the details on the help pages.
>
> Set each laptop to 192.168.x.1, and set its DNS servers to the same as
your
> ISP suggests. All should work.
>
> As one posted put it, all the laptops should get all that info
automatically
> from the Pc connected to the gateway HOWEVER I do have personal experience
> of wireless routers off the back of XP machines having 'flaky' DNS
settings
> i.e the gateway laptop appears to sort of forget the DNS servers. A
> colleague of mine told me it was actually the router at fault as it loses
> details as they time out in its buffer, and the whole subnet goes awol.
>
> HTH
>
> On 28/10/03 7:48 pm, in article bnmh87$1oq$(E-Mail Removed), "13"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > One reason that I decided to allocate IP addresses to each laptop was
that
> > for some unknown reason I would sometimes end up with say one group of
three
> > laptops being within their own mini network able to see each other, but
not
> > the other group who could see Master. In other words two separate
networks
> > using the same workgroup. Wireless ssid was the same for both groups.
> >
> > Thanks for help John
> > "John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%wznb.22443$(E-Mail Removed). ..
> >> If by "Internet Sharing" you mean you're using MS's ICS, you need to
> > forget
> >> about assigning IP's to the computers. Your master will be assigned
> >> 192.168.0.1 (IIRC) by the ICS software and each connecting computer
will
> > get
> >> their own IP in that family.
> >>
> >> "13" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:bnmblk$usi$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> A little while ago I experimented with 7 wireless cards and 7 laptops.
> > All
> >>> laptops were XP. I conected one of the laptops (Master) to the
internet
> >> via
> >>> a 56K modem. I then was able to create a simple network without using
> >> TCP/IP
> >>> I just ensured that they were all in the same workgroup. On Master I
> >> ensured
> >>> that I allowed other computers to conect through Master to get to the
> > net.
> >>> It worked brilliantly (OK a little slow, but otherwise fine), all 7
> >> laptops
> >>> could surf the net quite happily.
> >>>
> >>> I am now repeating this experiment except I have now allocated each
> > laptop
> >>> an IP address of 10.10.10.1/2/3 etc. with a subnet mask of
255.255.255.0
> >>> Once again all machines see each other, except I am not able to access
> > the
> >>> Internet from any other machine except Master. Internet sharing is on,
> > and
> >>> all machines see the internet conection, but Internet explorer fails
to
> >>> resolve a page.
> >>>
> >>> What am I missing???
> >>>
> >>> Still a novice, but experimenting to learn!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>