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VDP
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      12-27-2005, 11:24 AM
Goal: a roaming laptop should be custom-configured to "hop" from
one AP to another according to radio signal strength or network
connectivity.

Most client software seem to wait until the signal is *totally* lost
and furthermore, they seem to wait for an extra timeout. Finally they
rescan for a stronger AP. However this behavior usually means that you
can have a 10-20 second downtime which is definitely annoying for
Terminal Services or other "delicate" applications.

What I would like to do sounds simple: if the laptop wifi software
detects that radio signal strength from the AP that it's connected to
drops below an administrator-defined threshold then it should
immediately drop its link to that AP and start scanning *immediately*
for the strongest AP around.

Although this sounds easy it doesn't seem to me that most wifi nic
software correctly deal with this aspect (although some do get close).

For instance, I've tried with two systems:

1) IBM Thinkpad with Intel 2200BG wifi nic (Windows XP SP2)
a) the native Windows wifi client doesn't seem to handle this
correctly and a 10-20 second downtime is produced whenever the client
switches AP links (obviously, I am considering optimal radio coverage,
i.e. the latter "downtime" occurs even when the laptop is close to
an AP)
b) I also downloaded and tried Intel's latest driver/utility. On
their web site they state that their software should take care of the
roaming issue but in practice I don't see any difference with the way
the standard Windows client behaves (i.e. there is an unacceptable
downtime of 10-20 seconds, even when second AP is nearby, and
connections such as Terminal Service are annoyingly dropped)
c) I finally downloaded Network Stumbler and launched it in the
background. It takes control of the wifi nic and handles roaming
perfectly. In other words, I can move around with a laptop from one AP
to another with a Terminal Service session open and never get that
annoying 10-20 second interruption. However, Netstumbler does not seem
to work the same way with every wifi nic (it failed with Broadcom and
Ralink RT2500)

2) HP Compaq nx6125 with Broadcom wifi nic (Winodws XP SP2)
a) the native Windows wifi client doesn't seem to handle this
correctly and a 10-20 second downtime is produced whenever the client
switches AP links
b) Netstumbler doesn't work well and the network simply gets
unaccessible
c) I downloaded and tried HP Compaq's latest software for the
Broadcom nic and seems to work a lot better than Intel's utility.
Termnal Service managed to "survive" when switching from one AP to
another. However, it's not as efficient as in the case of the IBM
Thinkpad with Network Stumbler because in the latter example roaming
was really fast (less than 5 seconds) but in this case, it lasted just
under 10 seconds. I believe it may be because Broadcom's software
doesn't try switching APs until the radio signal is really dead and
after waiting a timeout. I can't seem to find an option (Windows
registry? Config. Files?) to define a "radio loss threshold" that
triggers a rescan of the nearest AP.


Can anyone please give me some tips/pointers on how to handle this
roaming problem?

Do you know of any software (such as a sniffer , preferably free and
nic-independant) that simply forces wifi rescan/reconnect (via native
Windows wifi client for example) whenever radio signal strength goes
below a user-defined threshold?

Or even a simpler solution comes to mind: I could write a program that
simply pings a remote network server. If that fails then I could
trigger the Windows operating system's WiFi client to rescan
immediately for a stronger AP. How can this be done programmatically?

Is it possible to have two WiFi network cards on a single laptop,
without interfering with one another (RF), and defining only certain
APs on one nic and other APs on the other (so that neither nic connects
to the same AP) ? Would it then be possible to bridge these two nics
and have them act as one (single LAN IP)? I tested this with 2 wired
Ethernet cards connected to the same switch and bridged both: it worked
fine with the a single virtual IP for both nics. However, I never tried
it with wireless nics and I'm not sure each nic can be assigned a
list of "preferred APs".

I've also heard of the Virtual WiFi Project
(http://research.microsoft.com/netres...i/software.htm)
which basically consists of using a single wireless nic to connect
simultaneously to several APs (thus solving my roaming problem).
However, the Virtual Wifi project is still experimental and lacks
security options (APs must be "open"). Also, I don't mind buying
two wireless nics if the bridge method above could be done.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Vieri

 
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      12-27-2005, 11:58 AM
you've mentioned Ralink RT2500
have you tried its utility ?
Has 'fast switching option' allows you to set roaming signal threshold,
default is -70db ... no delay other than an occasional instant hickup
rarely noticed


 
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      12-27-2005, 06:01 PM
"VDP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Goal: a roaming laptop should be custom-configured to "hop" from
>one AP to another according to radio signal strength or network
>connectivity.


>1) IBM Thinkpad with Intel 2200BG wifi nic (Windows XP SP2)


>b) I also downloaded and tried Intel's latest driver/utility.


I've got a Dell Latitude D610 with Intel 2200BG and it seems to switch
seamlessly between two Linksys WAP54G APs. Try fiddling with the
"Roaming agressiveness" knob in the driver...

[What do you have for APs? They should both have the same SSID...]
 
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      12-27-2005, 11:24 PM
I have two Linksys WAP54G and one WRT54G. However, SSIDs are different.
Will try to give them all the same SSID. Why should it be the same ID?
Will that make the rescan quicker, as there is only one AP in the nic's
list?

 
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      12-27-2005, 11:36 PM
actually I used the Conceptronic utility V 3.0.37.50503
Driver v. 3.00.02.0000
however, I didn't see the "fast switching option".
I did se a "Group Roaming" option and it's enabled.
Ref. http://www.conceptronic.net

(this software doesn't handle roaming "efficiently" but I'll try using
the same ESSID in all of the APs)

Are you referring to the same utility or do you suggest I download
another? Like from the http://www.ralinktech.com web site? (will try)

 
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      12-28-2005, 01:58 AM
"VDP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>actually I used the Conceptronic utility V 3.0.37.50503
>Driver v. 3.00.02.0000


Who are you replying to? The Intel 9.0.3.9 driver has some advanced
settings in the driver (under Device Mangler) you might want to try...
 
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      12-28-2005, 08:52 AM
William,

I previously posted two replies, one for you and one for bumtracks.

Thanks for your feedback.
I did try just that software from Intel's site:
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scri...ProductID=1784
but it didn't switch seamlessly between APs even though I did tweak the
adpater's options (maximum "agressiveness" option).
Although the laptops I tried this software on were different than
yours, the chipset is the same (used IBM Thinkpad and an HP which I
don't remember its model name).
The curious thing is that the Network Stumbler software works great
with the Intel 2200BG. (will keep looking into the software's advanced
options)

Regarding WiFi nic bridging I mentioned in my original post, is it an
absurd idea? (haven't tried it yet but I doubt it will work)

 
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      12-28-2005, 01:54 PM
"VDP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>William,
>I previously posted two replies, one for you and one for bumtracks.


OK, and if you had included a snippet of the message you were replying
to, it would have made everything clear. Just like I did above... Oh
well.

>I did try just that software from Intel's site:
>http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scri...ProductID=1784
>but it didn't switch seamlessly between APs even though I did tweak the
>adpater's options (maximum "agressiveness" option).


Are you switching between APs with the same SSID? I beleive you have
to have the same SSID in order for the roaming thing in the Intel
drivers to function properly. I don't remember if I had mine on
different channels or the same channel, IIRC there were advantages
either way...

Also, FWIW, I was using straight APs (Linksys WRT54G boxes, one V1 and
one V{3,4}, with the latest firmware, and not a WRT54G router. They
are supposed to be the same, but there are some differences...
 
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      12-29-2005, 12:58 AM
William P.N. Smith <new...@compusmiths.com> wrote:
>Are you switching between APs with the same SSID? I beleive you have
>to have the same SSID in order for the roaming thing in the Intel
>drivers to function properly. I don't remember if I had mine on
>different channels or the same channel, IIRC there were advantages
>either way...


That's what I have left to try: set same SSID on all APs. Will try that
out tomorrow.
However, I suppose channels for "adjacent" APs must be different to
minimize interference. But maybe if they don't overlap too much maybe
using the same channel has its roaming advantages... or at least
picking neighboring channels. Will give it a run.

 
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      12-29-2005, 01:59 AM
"VDP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>However, I suppose channels for "adjacent" APs must be different to
>minimize interference. But maybe if they don't overlap too much maybe
>using the same channel has its roaming advantages... or at least
>picking neighboring channels. Will give it a run.


No, either pick the same channel for all your APs or chose from the
set of non-interfering ones (1,6,11). I forget which is 'better', let
us know when you do your testing tomorrow.
 
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