Wireless lan --> ISDN sharing problem

I got a SMC 2404 WBR turbo acess point and 3 clients with SMC 2435 cards. I
can't manage to share my ISDN connection.

Anyone have a solution.. Or if this is even possible? If not, what must i do
to get this up working?

All help recieved with Thanks

Tommen

Huh? I just checked - the 2404 is a cable/DSL router. Did you run a CAT5
cable from the 2404's RJ45 to the BRI S/T RJ45 connector? That's not going
to work. The WAN side supports Ethernet and wants to connect to a cable
modem or DSL modem. If you want to hook BRI to your wifi network, you'll
need an ISDN router. And you'll only get 128 kpbs, a tiny fraction of the
wifi bandwidth.

"Tommen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I got a SMC 2404 WBR turbo acess point and 3 clients with SMC 2435 cards.
I
> can't manage to share my ISDN connection.
>
> Anyone have a solution.. Or if this is even possible? If not, what must i
do
> to get this up working?
>
> All help recieved with Thanks
>
> Tommen
>
>

"gary" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote...
> "Tommen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote...
> > I got a SMC 2404 WBR turbo acess point and 3 clients with SMC 2435
cards.
> I
> > can't manage to share my ISDN connection.
> >
> > Anyone have a solution.. Or if this is even possible? If not, what
must i
> do
> > to get this up working?
> >
> > All help recieved with Thanks

> Huh? I just checked - the 2404 is a cable/DSL router. Did you run a CAT5
> cable from the 2404's RJ45 to the BRI S/T RJ45 connector? That's not
going
> to work. The WAN side supports Ethernet and wants to connect to a cable
> modem or DSL modem. If you want to hook BRI to your wifi network, you'll
> need an ISDN router. And you'll only get 128 kpbs, a tiny fraction of
the
> wifi bandwidth.

Tommen, there are external ISDN interfaces that contain a modem/router, if
you have an internal or standalone modem (RS232 Serial), your DSL/Cable
Router can be used, provided you have a host machine to interface it to,
that contains a NIC to feed the router (ICS, WinRoute, Sygate, etc)...

More details on your ISDN equipment are required to give adequate
advice...

To Gary, I'm sure he is fully aware of the bandwidth limitations and
simply wants to share the available interface to the wireless clients. I
existed with a 128k connection for 5 years and paid nearly $800 a month
for the priviledge (ISDN connection was over 40 miles long, fx'd from
another city)... Now I have 9 Mb x 1.5 Mb for a fraction of what I used to
pay, and have access to 3 different backbones instead of just the one (2
cable & 3 dsl connections)... At the time however, it was worth every
cent...

"Darrel Toepfer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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<snip...>

>
> Tommen, there are external ISDN interfaces that contain a modem/router, if
> you have an internal or standalone modem (RS232 Serial), your DSL/Cable
> Router can be used, provided you have a host machine to interface it to,
> that contains a NIC to feed the router (ICS, WinRoute, Sygate, etc)...
>
> More details on your ISDN equipment are required to give adequate
> advice...
>
> To Gary, I'm sure he is fully aware of the bandwidth limitations and
> simply wants to share the available interface to the wireless clients. I
> existed with a 128k connection for 5 years and paid nearly $800 a month
> for the priviledge (ISDN connection was over 40 miles long, fx'd from
> another city)... Now I have 9 Mb x 1.5 Mb for a fraction of what I used to
> pay, and have access to 3 different backbones instead of just the one (2
> cable & 3 dsl connections)... At the time however, it was worth every
> cent...
>

Wow, that's the priciest BRI I've ever heard of, but then 40 miles is a long
way. For that kind of money I could get PRI in most cities.

But seriously, shouldn't he at least consider an Ethernet ISDN router? I'll
bet he can find old Madge, Ascend, Adtran, or Teleos equipment cheap on the
net (I saw one guy in Australia asking $200 - $300 for a NetGear router).
I'm sure you can do better than that, and you're more likely to get bonding
with a full router than with a serial-interface modem

"gary" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote...
> Darrel Toepfer wrote...
>
> <snip...>
>
> > Tommen, there are external ISDN interfaces that contain a
modem/router, if
> > you have an internal or standalone modem (RS232 Serial), your
DSL/Cable
> > Router can be used, provided you have a host machine to interface it
to,
> > that contains a NIC to feed the router (ICS, WinRoute, Sygate, etc)...
> >
> > More details on your ISDN equipment are required to give adequate
> > advice...
> >
> > To Gary, I'm sure he is fully aware of the bandwidth limitations and
> > simply wants to share the available interface to the wireless clients.
I
> > existed with a 128k connection for 5 years and paid nearly $800 a
month
> > for the priviledge (ISDN connection was over 40 miles long, fx'd from
> > another city)... Now I have 9 Mb x 1.5 Mb for a fraction of what I
used to
> > pay, and have access to 3 different backbones instead of just the one
(2
> > cable & 3 dsl connections)... At the time however, it was worth every
> > cent...
> >
>
> Wow, that's the priciest BRI I've ever heard of, but then 40 miles is a
long
> way. For that kind of money I could get PRI in most cities.

Remember also that the 128k uses compression, I've pulled text files at
over a megabit with dual channel ISDN... Well yeah you can get a PRI for
that, but it doesn't include the internet connectivity, least not back
then... I was with PSInet back then, that was $200 a month, but included a
class C of IP addresses...

> But seriously, shouldn't he at least consider an Ethernet ISDN router?
I'll
> bet he can find old Madge, Ascend, Adtran, or Teleos equipment cheap on
the
> net (I saw one guy in Australia asking $200 - $300 for a NetGear
router).
> I'm sure you can do better than that, and you're more likely to get
bonding
> with a full router than with a serial-interface modem

He didn't state what he has, so thats still an unknown...

If he needs one, I have three I'm willing to part with for less than
that... Toshiba, Arescom & Netopia, two of them allow you to have switched
telephone service...

Serial interface is limited to 115k out of the 128k available, typically
newer stuff geaux's faster though. ISDL gives you 144k, by combining the
data channel in with the others...

In the next month or so I'll be setting up a 4 mile link, thats fed by
ISDL for a buddy of mine...

"Darrel Toepfer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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<snip...>
>
> Remember also that the 128k uses compression, I've pulled text files at
> over a megabit with dual channel ISDN... Well yeah you can get a PRI for
> that, but it doesn't include the internet connectivity, least not back
> then... I was with PSInet back then, that was $200 a month, but included a
> class C of IP addresses...

Sounds like you were using a modem that bonds, then. For nailed-up
connection to an ISP, I guess you'd go for channelized T1, not PRI. Of
course, nowadays I'd look for HDSL or SDSL.

Spent a few years doing layer 1-3 development on endpoint PRI, and also some
work on BRI. I went through the certification trial-by-fire in North
America, Europe, and Asia. Now all those skills and knowledge are
obsolescing their way into obscurity. C'est la vie, but also, plus ca
change, plus c'est la meme chose.

BTW, one of the most common customer errrors was plugging Ethernet into BRI
or PRI. We considered keying the RJ45 on the endpoint side, but there didn't
seem to be any transceiver damage so we ignored it.

<snip...>

> Serial interface is limited to 115k out of the 128k available, typically
> newer stuff geaux's faster though. ISDL gives you 144k, by combining the
> data channel in with the others...
>
> In the next month or so I'll be setting up a 4 mile link, thats fed by
> ISDL for a buddy of mine...
>
>

Is DSL unavailable? Or is the issue that symmetric bandwidth is needed? 144
is still pretty poky, and most cable/DSL basic connections can get close to
128k downstream.

"gary" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote...
> Darrel Toepfer wrote...

> > In the next month or so I'll be setting up a 4 mile link, thats fed by
> > ISDL for a buddy of mine...
>
> Is DSL unavailable? Or is the issue that symmetric bandwidth is needed?
144
> is still pretty poky, and most cable/DSL basic connections can get close
to
> 128k downstream.

Its all he can get, at a price he can afford...

3 of mine do 256k each. Speeds up to 384k are offered for additional
funds... Cable runs 2 Mb x 128k...

Forgive me for being curious, but I've never seen an IDSL setup. I assume
384kpbs requires three U-interface twisted pair cables, right? Do these plug
into a single router? Does it use PPP or frame relay? How does the host
connect to the router (S/T bus, V.35, something else)?


"Darrel Toepfer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "gary" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote...
> > Darrel Toepfer wrote...
>
> > > In the next month or so I'll be setting up a 4 mile link, thats fed by
> > > ISDL for a buddy of mine...
> >
> > Is DSL unavailable? Or is the issue that symmetric bandwidth is needed?
> 144
> > is still pretty poky, and most cable/DSL basic connections can get close
> to
> > 128k downstream.
>
> Its all he can get, at a price he can afford...
>
> 3 of mine do 256k each. Speeds up to 384k are offered for additional
> funds... Cable runs 2 Mb x 128k...
>
>

"gary" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote...
> Forgive me for being curious, but I've never seen an IDSL setup. I
assume
> 384kpbs requires three U-interface twisted pair cables, right? Do these
plug
> into a single router? Does it use PPP or frame relay? How does the host
> connect to the router (S/T bus, V.35, something else)?

I'll know more after I attach the wireless portion of the network... I'm
assuming its a FrameRelay configuration, as they are sending 6 voice lines
over it as well as the 144k internet data portion. If I remember right, it
was Cisco gear being used, he once told me. He also wants to extend some
of the phone connections over the wireless as well...