wireless ethernet bridge

"Peter Pan" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
> 1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
> wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game adapters...
> unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't talk/communicate with each
> other the way you would expect, and if you get computer termed wireless
> ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT be the same/work the same as a
> wireless ethernet bridge for computers....
> Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and then
> get the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting the
> cheapest right thing in the first place....


HUH ????

I guess my Linksys WET11 "ethernet bridge" is not working downstairs
connected to my xbox & tivo ?
They have to work the same - the are the same technology -
"Maybe" an issue might be with the physical Ethernet connections - straight
thru vs crossover cables -

If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from a
"wireless Ethernet bridge" ?

"Eps" <(E-Mail Removed)>

> The point is the xbox has an ethernet port, I want to connect this to my
> wireless connection. As people have pointed out if I want to do this and
> if money is no object I should get a fully fledged router and then put
> open source firmware on it. But I am looking to do this cheaply.
>
> I think ebay is the way to go at this point.
>
> --
> Eps

for some reason - some folks like to suggest the most complex and involved
solution...
It's like asking what car to get... and some folks basically tell you to
build your own...

Why would anyone looking for a simple wireless Ethernet bridge get anything
besides exactly what you are looking for ....

PLUS - what's your Internet connection speed - 1M, 3M, 6M
and how fast is the bridge - actually speed ?
802.11b = maybe 11M and the 802.11g = 22M
SO - does having a 54G do you any good on a 6M internet connection ?

I'm constantly amazed at how folks answer questions with basically "how
smart they are",
which is interesting to read if you know the basics and understand the
topic,
but then again they don't really answer the question, nor provide a reality
based solution....

In article <TSmgl.19837$(E-Mail Removed)>,
"ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> for some reason - some folks like to suggest the most complex and involved
> solution...
> It's like asking what car to get... and some folks basically tell you to
> build your own...

If you've got a Mac you can talk to your Xbox or PS3 with MediaLink.

http://www.nullriver.com/products/medialink
--
W. Oates

"Peter Pan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:QLmgl.19835$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> "Peter Pan" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>> Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
>>> 1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
>>> wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game adapters...
>>> unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't talk/communicate with
>>> each other the way you would expect, and if you get computer termed
>>> wireless ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT be the same/work the
>>> same as a wireless ethernet bridge for computers....
>>> Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and then
>>> get the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting the
>>> cheapest right thing in the first place....
>>
>>
>> HUH ????
>>
>> I guess my Linksys WET11 "ethernet bridge" is not working downstairs
>> connected to my xbox & tivo ?
>> They have to work the same - the are the same technology -
>> "Maybe" an issue might be with the physical Ethernet connections -
>> straight thru vs crossover cables -
>>
>> If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from a
>> "wireless Ethernet bridge" ?
>>
>>
>
> cuz in computer terms a bridge bridges two network segments, and an
> "adapter" refers more to wifi dongles/boxes/etc that (usually) have usb or
> ethernet connectors to plug into things like tivo's/games/etc...
> ever use the wikipedia for quick definitions? (says more than I can type)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_game_adapter
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_bridge
>
> if you have several devices downstairs (tivo and xbox) then you have more
> than one connection and are bridging (while not always technically
> correct, one connection/output think adapter, and multiple outputs think
> bridge)

No wonder the original person is confused....
An "adapter" is just a marketing term for a "bridge".... everything is a
bridge.
Nice to mix technical definitions with physical appliances & marketing
terms...
and yeah - I've used Wiki to find out info - but I use my brain to explain
it as needed...

NOW - if the "gaming adapter" was limited into only having a MAC address
table of 1 on the client side,
vs "several" - then you have a clear distinction between a general purpose
bridge,
and the gaming adapter... but, not knowing the MAC table sizes for either,
it's just a guess...
So, let's see -any other technical distinctions between an "adapter" and a
"bridge" ?

yeah I know - it's Tinker Bell that needs a little reading concerning what
"might" be different..

"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:49 -0600, "ps56k"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from a
>>"wireless Ethernet bridge" ?
>
> Sure. I tried to explain the various bridge types in:
> <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Bridge_Types>
> It's not very good, as there are exceptions, but good enough. What's
> important to remember is that a bridge works on layer 2 (MAC layer)
> and does NOT do anything on layer 3 (IP layer). A bridge does NOT do
> routing.
>
> Assuming we limit the discussion to an "ethernet to wireless bridge",
> some of the various types are:
> 1. Transparent: individual MAC addresses appear at both ends of the
> bridge.
> 2. Opaque(???): Everything at the local end of the bridge appears to
> come from one MAC address. Only one MAC address can traverse the
> bridge.
> 3. Workgroup: Intentionally undersized MAC to port address table,
> thus limiting the number of computers/devices/MAC addresses that can
> traverse the bridge. 8/16/32 devices are common.
> 4. The real thing(?): Sufficiently large MAC to port address table
> allows up to 253 devices to traverse the bridge. Professional bridges
> can often do 2048 devices.
> 5. A bunch of other bridge types as itemized in the above URL.
>
> So, where does the "game adapter" fit? Usually, it's the "opaque"
> variety, where only one MAC address can traverse the bridge, limiting
> operation to exactly one computah on the ethernet side of the bridge.
> The game adapter vendors want to sell you one adapter per computah.
>
> There's a list of common wireless ethernet bridges at:
> <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Ethernet_Bridges>
> which includes whether they can handle more than one MAC address. I
> don't know where John Navas got the information, but it looks right.
> Note that more than one doesn't mean 253. It could easily mean 8, 16,
> or 32 devices. There are also some oddities. For example, the
> DWL-2100, when uses as a client adapter, has some firmware versions
> passing more than one MAC address, while others will do only one.
>
> Incidentally, getting such information as "how many computers can I
> put behind the bridge or game adapter" is difficult to extract from
> the manufacturer.
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Jan 29, 9:27*am, Iyad Patel <n...@none.invalid> wrote:

> That's why it's important to mention what it is you're linking to. In
> this case, the Ebay link is a dead end, for me anyway, so I don't know
> if you're pointing to another Airlink 431, a WRT54G, or something
> else.

Sorry 'bout that. The link was to another Airlink model sold on Ebay
that comes already flashed to dd-wrt. That makes it very useful.
Just search Airlink for routers sold with DD-WRT on them.

On Jan 29, 10:04*am, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
> seaweedsl wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 5:35 am, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
>
> >> Just want something cheap to be honest, they all seem very expensive.
>
> > Since you didn't seem to notice, I'll repeat myself. * *Check my links
> > above. *The Airlink that Fry's sells is very cheap. *So are the Edimax
> > and others.
>
> > For pro-sumer gear quality, then spend $50 for the Ubiquiti LoCo2.
>
> > And yes, you can pick up a Linksys WRT54G of various stripes and put
> > Tomato or DD-WRT on it.
>
> > There. *I've completely repeated my post.
>
> > Steve
>
> Sorry I am in the UK, I am more interested in hearing about the product
> than the deal unless its available in the UK too.
>
> Thanks anyway though.
>
> --
> Eps

Understood. Maybe it's better for you to just buy a linksys WRT54GL
or Buffalo WHR- G54S (or HP version) router - both should be availible
in UK- and flash it to Tomato/DD-WRT. They are availible already
flashed on Ebay as well.

You will like that now it can do any job you need it for. Not too
expensive cause routers are cheaper than the specialized client
adapters. Plus, if you need it later for a router or AP or repeater,
it can do that.

Steve

On Jan 29, 8:59*am, seaweedsl <seaweedst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:35*am, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
>
> > Just want something cheap to be honest, they all seem very expensive.
>
> Since you didn't seem to notice, I'll repeat myself. * *Check my links
> above. *The Airlink that Fry's sells is very cheap. *So are the Edimax
> and others.
>
> For pro-sumer gear quality, then spend $50 for the Ubiquiti LoCo2.
>
> And yes, you can pick up a Linksys WRT54G of various stripes and put
> Tomato or DD-WRT on it.
>
> There. *I've completely repeated my post.
>
> Steve

check out the dd wrt website. This is one of the big thins their
software allows you to do. There should be lots of info there on which
router wok and which ones dont. They also have a forum their with a
lot more people who are in to this specific topic.

Jimmie

On 30 Jan, 17:39, "Peter Pan" <pponvistaNOS...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info>
wrote:
> "Eps" <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote in message
>
> In computer terms, a "wireless bridge" connects two existing networks
> wirelessly, in gaming terms it refers to bridging a wired net interface to
> an existing wireless network....
> if you get a computer marketed/termed "wireless ethernet bridge" it will be
> the wrong thing for your game console/xbox to do what you want...

Eps: Listen to Peter Pan. He is correct. What you want is a box that
is able to function as a client to connect to your wireless access
point. You do NOT want a regualar access point, as they can only
function as a server for wireless clients. Some access points are able
to function as a client and some (rare) is only able to function as a
client. Most common is waps that only function as a server. I don't
want to say that it doesn't matter what brand you chose when found
some that can be a client, but that is not far from the truth.