wireless card remote power on comptuer

HI.

I have a netgear WGR614 at home.
http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGR614.php

Now can anyone suggest any wireless card that allow remote power on my
computer at home?


thx in advance.

"dav" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Now can anyone suggest any wireless card that allow remote power on my
>computer at home?

You want wireless Wake On Lan? Doesn't exist...

William P.N. Smith <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>"dav" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> Now can anyone suggest any wireless card that allow remote power on my
>>computer at home?
>
>You want wireless Wake On Lan? Doesn't exist...

It most certainly does exist in both access points and wireless
clients.
| http://www.buffalotech.com/products/...8&categoryid=6
"The Wake-On-LAN feature allows the convenience of turning on your
PC from anywhere on the internet, anytime."

The common ADM8211C wireless controller chip supports Wake-on-LAN.
| http://www.infineon.com/cgi-bin/ifx/...geTypeId=17099

So does the SIS163 controller chip.

Atheros calls theirs "Wake on Wireless".

Intel Pro2200BG supports what they call "Wake on WLAN" allegedly used
to "allows remote wake up of mobile clients to perform software
updates".

Some wireless PCI cards have WOL features.
| http://www.proxim.com/products/wifi/client/802.11b_pci/
"Wake on LAN, a desktop PC remote management feature, is supported.
The 11b PCI Adapter can be set to constantly monitor the wireless
LAN even when the desktop PC is switched off. The PC will boot up
to enable remote management when the 11b PCI Adapter receives a
Magic Packet."

The problem is that Magic Packet (a broadcast) will propogate nicely
on the LAN side of a router. However, it will not go through the
router from the internet to the LAN, which is what most people want do
do. I don't know how to do that. However, if you setup a VPN from a
client to a router, the client appears as if it were on the LAN side
and Magic Packet again works.

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Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> The problem is that Magic Packet (a broadcast) will propogate nicely
> on the LAN side of a router. However, it will not go through the
> router from the internet to the LAN, which is what most people want do
> do. I don't know how to do that. However, if you setup a VPN from a
> client to a router, the client appears as if it were on the LAN side
> and Magic Packet again works.

True, but isn't the VPN only active when the VPN software is running on
the client?

Unless you want to use something like a Netscreen hardware client
between the router and the client, to keep the VPN connection open.

You could always buy something like
"http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html"

However not all BIOSes and motherboards allow setting them to power-up
the computer upon AC power being applied. I worked on this issue with
thin clients, and it was a nightmare. It wasn't just powering up upon AC
power, it was powering up upon AC power, only if the unit was powered up
prior to the AC power being removed. Some south bridges support this,
some south bridges don't support it at all.

Worst case, you could kluge something to the power supply power-on line,
to simulate the power button being pushed or use the RPS-ATX Computer
System Reboot Device (see "http://www.remotepowerswitch.com/" at the
bottom of the page), and combine it with the device at
""http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html".

Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>William P.N. Smith <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:
>>You want wireless Wake On Lan? Doesn't exist...

>It most certainly does exist in both access points and wireless
>clients.

Hunh, who would have thunk it? I wouldn't think a laptop that was
powered down would be feeding standby power to it's WiFi hardware to
let it look for WOL, and encryption (especially WPA-TKIP) would be
another nightmare...

Just go to show there are no absolutes! Thanks, Jeff!

William P.N. Smith wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> William P.N. Smith <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:
>>> You want wireless Wake On Lan? Doesn't exist...
>
>> It most certainly does exist in both access points and wireless
>> clients.
>
> Hunh, who would have thunk it? I wouldn't think a laptop that was
> powered down would be feeding standby power to it's WiFi hardware to
> let it look for WOL, and encryption (especially WPA-TKIP) would be
> another nightmare...
>
> Just go to show there are no absolutes! Thanks, Jeff!

I've never seen a laptop that could do this but it's possible. Usually
on laptops everything gets shut off when power is off, in order to save
the battery, and the wireless card would not be left on, as it's one of
the biggest battery hogs.

Plenty of desktops have PCI slots that will work with network cards that
support WOL.

(E-Mail Removed) (William P.N. Smith) wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> Hunh, who would have thunk it? I wouldn't think a laptop that was
> powered down would be feeding standby power to it's WiFi hardware
> to let it look for WOL, and encryption (especially WPA-TKIP) would
> be another nightmare...
>

I don't know about the standby power business, but my laptop recovers
a WPA-TKIP connection just fine when manually brought out of standby
or hibernate.

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Bert Hyman wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) (William P.N. Smith) wrote in
> news:(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> Hunh, who would have thunk it? I wouldn't think a laptop that was
>> powered down would be feeding standby power to it's WiFi hardware
>> to let it look for WOL, and encryption (especially WPA-TKIP) would
>> be another nightmare...
>>
>
> I don't know about the standby power business, but my laptop recovers
> a WPA-TKIP connection just fine when manually brought out of standby
> or hibernate.

The op is looking for a laptop that keeps the wireless card on, looking
at packets, and powers-up or wakes-up the system upon receipt of a
specific packet. Not looking for recovery of the network connection when
the laptop is powered up manually.

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:05:09 -0800, SMS <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>True, but isn't the VPN only active when the VPN software is running on
>the client?

Nope. I have a router to router PPTP VPN between my palatial office
and my house. WRT54G v3 at the office. WRT54G v1.1 at home.
PPTPclient installed:
| http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net
It's not up right now because I've loaned the WRT54G v1.1 to a hacker,
but when it's working, both ends look like one big network.

However, it's been a while since I've tried WOL over a VPN. It worked
once at a customers using a pair of Linksys BEFVP41 VPN routers but I
don't recall trying it on my own VPN.

Test software:
| http://www.gammadyne.com/cmdline.htm#wol (DOS command line)
| http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont.../magic_pkt.exe

>Unless you want to use something like a Netscreen hardware client
>between the router and the client, to keep the VPN connection open.

Netcreen (Juniper) 5GT with IPSec is what I would prefer instead of my
WRT54G pair running PPTP. However, PPTP is *MUCH* simpler to setup.

Network power switches:
http://www.wti.com
http://www.leunig.de/_en/_pro/remote..._switches.html
http://www.zantech.com.au/dataprobe/iboot/
http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html
(and lots more...)
I used to use an ethernet print server to play power switch. The
parallel port was connected to an EPROM and a triac. Send a character
to the print server and it turns the triac on. Send a different
characater and it turns it off.


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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:33:40 -0800, SMS <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I've never seen a laptop that could do this but it's possible. Usually
>on laptops everything gets shut off when power is off, in order to save
>the battery, and the wireless card would not be left on, as it's one of
>the biggest battery hogs.

http://www.1e.com/SoftwareProducts/S...p/FAQ.aspx#Q29

29. Does Wake-On-LAN work with laptops?

This depends on the configuration for the laptop. Laptops
are usually configured to not respond to wakeup packets when
they are running on batteries. If the laptop is running on mains
and not battery power then the wakeup should work as on a
standard PC.

>Plenty of desktops have PCI slots that will work with network cards that
>support WOL.
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