Wireless bridge talking to 2 other devices?

I already have a wireless bridge with a Senao chipset (but no brand on
the box itself ... chipset presumed from MAC address). It is b-only and
works fine with the Netgear access-point routers I once tried out, and
works fine with my printer (HP 6980 has built in wireless).

I didn't actually test to see if the bridge would talk _simultaneously_
with the access point _and_ the printer at the same time. I've since
taken the Netgear boxes back (and got all my money back).

The bridge is attached to the switch handling my LAN. If it will work
talking to two things at the same time, I will use it to communicate with
the printer, as well as use it to communicate with the wireless router
I do end up getting (maybe WRT54GL or maybe what the DSL provider includes
in the package).

Possibly the bridge could fail to talk to two devices at the same time
just because it is badly designed. But what I'd like to know is if there
is any hope. The big question --> is there anything inherint in the
standard that would make a bridge ONLY talk to ONE other wireless device
at a time (e.g. limited to one session, for example)?

Again, it did work fine talking to the router (which was an access point
though Netgear never divulged that). It does work fine talking to this
printer. But I never tested having it do both at the same time.

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Hi, Phil,

I'll probably get in trouble here :{))

phil-news-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> I already have a wireless bridge with a Senao chipset (but no brand on
> the box itself ... chipset presumed from MAC address). It is b-only and
> works fine with the Netgear access-point routers I once tried out, and
> works fine with my printer (HP 6980 has built in wireless).

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> | Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
> | first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2006-09-05-(E-Mail Removed) |
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If your senao-chip bridge behaves as mine (a Senao 2611CB3 Plus
Deluxe), it must associate a certain SSID to talk. In the open ("any"
- meaning, none specified) mode, it will go to the strongest signal.
In a specified one, it will attempt to associate the SSID entered.

>From that, I infer that your bridge will talk to only one item at a
time. No doubt others will have more generically (not senao but in
general) accurate information to share...

L8R

Skip

Hi, Phil,

I'll probably get in trouble here :{))

phil-news-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> I already have a wireless bridge with a Senao chipset (but no brand on
> the box itself ... chipset presumed from MAC address). It is b-only and
> works fine with the Netgear access-point routers I once tried out, and
> works fine with my printer (HP 6980 has built in wireless).

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> |---------------------------------------/----------------------------------|
> | Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
> | first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2006-09-05-(E-Mail Removed) |
> |------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

If your senao-chip bridge behaves as mine (a Senao 2611CB3 Plus
Deluxe), it must associate a certain SSID to talk. In the open ("any"
- meaning, none specified) mode, it will go to the strongest signal.
In a specified one, it will attempt to associate the SSID entered.

>From that, I infer that your bridge will talk to only one item at a
time. No doubt others will have more generically (not senao but in
general) accurate information to share...

L8R

Skip

Hi, Phil,

I'll probably get in trouble here :{))

phil-news-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> I already have a wireless bridge with a Senao chipset (but no brand on
> the box itself ... chipset presumed from MAC address). It is b-only and
> works fine with the Netgear access-point routers I once tried out, and
> works fine with my printer (HP 6980 has built in wireless).

<snip>
> --
> |---------------------------------------/----------------------------------|
> | Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
> | first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2006-09-05-(E-Mail Removed) |
> |------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

If your senao-chip bridge behaves as mine (a Senao 2611CB3 Plus
Deluxe), it must associate a certain SSID to talk. In the open ("any"
- meaning, none specified) mode, it will go to the strongest signal.
In a specified one, it will attempt to associate the SSID entered.

>From that, I infer that your bridge will talk to only one item at a
time. No doubt others will have more generically (not senao but in
general) accurate information to share...

L8R

Skip

Skip - Working on the boat wrote:
> Hi, Phil,
>
> I'll probably get in trouble here :{))

Well, the trouble I'd envisioned wasn't due to my triple posting.

I have no clue why/how that happened, and I hereby submit to twenty
lashes with expired cat5 for the bandwidth wasting...

L8R

Skip

"Skip - Working on the boat" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>If your senao-chip bridge behaves as mine (a Senao 2611CB3 Plus
>Deluxe), it must associate a certain SSID to talk. In the open ("any"
>- meaning, none specified) mode, it will go to the strongest signal.
>In a specified one, it will attempt to associate the SSID entered.

Close, but not quite right. What SSID=ANY does is select the first
available connection. I suspect it's alphabetical or random, but not
by strongest signal. However, if you ever lose the signal, or fade
away temporarily, it will not automagically reconnect to the same
access point. Instead, it will again merrily look for any available
connection.

>From that, I infer that your bridge will talk to only one item at a
>time. No doubt others will have more generically (not senao but in
>general) accurate information to share...

Actually, it is possible to do point to multipoint bridging (i.e more
than one MAC address) with some radios. I'm not familar with the
2611CB3 can therefore have no clue if it will do this. It's a common
feature in most access points, but not in most wireless routers. For
example, the DWL-900AP+ will do Point to Multipoint Bridging:
http://support.dlink.com/emulators/d...fgAPMode0.html

As for posting the same article 3 times, I've seen Ouchlook Express do
that, but not tin. It's usually because the internet connection is
flakey and NNTP doesn't bother acknowledging that it has successfully
posted something. So, at the next opertunity, it starts over and
tries again. My record is about 15 duplicate postings over a flakey
Metricom/Ricochet link.

As for the CAT5 lashing, I suggest you try setting fire to a piece of
CAT5 for entertainment value. Especially try the stiff plenum rated
cable. Lots of fun and tends to appease the net gods.


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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:35:42 -0700 Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

| "Skip - Working on the boat" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:
|
|>From that, I infer that your bridge will talk to only one item at a
|>time. No doubt others will have more generically (not senao but in
|>general) accurate information to share...
|
| Actually, it is possible to do point to multipoint bridging (i.e more
| than one MAC address) with some radios. I'm not familar with the
| 2611CB3 can therefore have no clue if it will do this. It's a common
| feature in most access points, but not in most wireless routers. For
| example, the DWL-900AP+ will do Point to Multipoint Bridging:
| http://support.dlink.com/emulators/d...fgAPMode0.html

I'm guessing I'll be better off getting a modem, instead of that wireless
router, from Verizon, and connecting the modem to the wireless bridge at
the location where the phone line comes in. Then put a wireless router
and access point on my LAN so I can talk to the modem and my printer at
the same time. Then the trick will be getting that PPPoE stream coming
out of the modem to one of my Linux machines. But unless the router can
also allow a purely bridged connection, it won't pass the PPPoE on to a
Linux machine. Of course, if the router were smart enough to handle
PPPoE over the wireless link, that could work. But my guess is they are
designed to only do PPPoE over the RJ45 port labeled "WAN" (and not even
allow it over the ports labeled "LAN").

So I'm still probably back to having to use a pair of hacked WRT54GL's
to run a wireless distribution mesh.


| As for posting the same article 3 times, I've seen Ouchlook Express do
| that, but not tin. It's usually because the internet connection is
| flakey and NNTP doesn't bother acknowledging that it has successfully
| posted something. So, at the next opertunity, it starts over and
| tries again. My record is about 15 duplicate postings over a flakey
| Metricom/Ricochet link.

Oooh. You even beat my record of 12.


| As for the CAT5 lashing, I suggest you try setting fire to a piece of
| CAT5 for entertainment value. Especially try the stiff plenum rated
| cable. Lots of fun and tends to appease the net gods.

My kind of entertainment would be to see how long CAT5 stands up to a
20 kA fault current. Be sure to bring the welder's suit and mask. :-)

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On 13 Sep 2006 07:18:49 GMT, phil-news-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>| My record is about 15 duplicate postings over a flakey
>| Metricom/Ricochet link.
>
>Oooh. You even beat my record of 12.

It's limited by the NNTP ISP's spam filter. They test for duplicates
and drop anything over a specified number of identical postings. At
the time, Supernews had no limit so I was able to send 15. Other
service prividers were also running without limits resulting in some
postings being duplicate almost 100 times. However, as limits were
applied, the duplicates became less prevalent. I think Newsguy drops
anything after 5 duplicates. SBC/PBI/AT&T/Prodigy is 3 duplicates
maximum. No clue on the others.

Try the CAT5 flame test. Especially with plenum rated cable. I think
you'll be suprised. Ummmm.... do it ouside.


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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:09:19 GMT Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
| On 13 Sep 2006 07:18:49 GMT, phil-news-(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
|
|>| My record is about 15 duplicate postings over a flakey
|>| Metricom/Ricochet link.
|>
|>Oooh. You even beat my record of 12.
|
| It's limited by the NNTP ISP's spam filter. They test for duplicates
| and drop anything over a specified number of identical postings. At
| the time, Supernews had no limit so I was able to send 15. Other
| service prividers were also running without limits resulting in some
| postings being duplicate almost 100 times. However, as limits were
| applied, the duplicates became less prevalent. I think Newsguy drops
| anything after 5 duplicates. SBC/PBI/AT&T/Prodigy is 3 duplicates
| maximum. No clue on the others.

My record of 12 was back when I used Netcom. I've been quite happy
with Newsguy.


| Try the CAT5 flame test. Especially with plenum rated cable. I think
| you'll be suprised. Ummmm.... do it ouside.

Of course, outside ... and well away from combustable materials and
small children.

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