Wireless to another building - what do I need?

If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA card)

I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:

My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at a
window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have a
wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
(E-Mail Removed) says...
> If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
> pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA card)
>
> I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:
>
> My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
> aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at a
> window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have a
> wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
> bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?
>
You might want to try knocking together a directional antenna - do a
Google search for "pringles-can wifi antenna" (without the quotes).

Rob Morley wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
> (E-Mail Removed) says...
>
>>If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
>>pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA card)
>>
>>I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:
>>
>>My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
>>aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at a
>>window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have a
>>wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
>>bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?
>>
>
> You might want to try knocking together a directional antenna - do a
> Google search for "pringles-can wifi antenna" (without the quotes).


I might try that, but what should I use in the other building?

"Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
> (E-Mail Removed) says...
> > If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
> > pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA
card)
> >
> > I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:
> >
> > My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
> > aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at a
> > window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have a
> > wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
> > bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?
> >
> You might want to try knocking together a directional antenna - do a
> Google search for "pringles-can wifi antenna" (without the quotes).

I would suggest you try the Netgear WG121 Wireless USB adapter attached to
your laptop instead of the PCMCIA card. I was recently on Vacation with my
laptop, the PCMCIA card didn't find any networks but the WG121 found and
connected to 2 hotels that were a fair way away.
I think if you were to use an external antenna to give a better signal you
would need to do the same at the client end too ?

John wrote:

> "Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
>>(E-Mail Removed) says...
>>
>>>If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
>>>pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA
>
> card)
>
>>>I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:
>>>
>>>My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
>>>aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at a
>>>window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have a
>>>wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
>>>bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?
>>>
>>
>>You might want to try knocking together a directional antenna - do a
>>Google search for "pringles-can wifi antenna" (without the quotes).
>
>
> I would suggest you try the Netgear WG121 Wireless USB adapter attached to
> your laptop instead of the PCMCIA card. I was recently on Vacation with my
> laptop, the PCMCIA card didn't find any networks but the WG121 found and
> connected to 2 hotels that were a fair way away.
> I think if you were to use an external antenna to give a better signal you
> would need to do the same at the client end too ?

Thanks but I don't want to use USB and also I want a really good signal
throughout the second building.

Would this work - at the client end I have an AP in a good position - ie
at a window and it is connected to a second AP by a short length of
ethernet cable?? The second AP ensures a good signal in that building???

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
(E-Mail Removed) says...
> Rob Morley wrote:
>
> > In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
> > (E-Mail Removed) says...
> >
> >>If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
> >>pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA card)
> >>
> >>I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:
> >>
> >>My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
> >>aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at a
> >>window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have a
> >>wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
> >>bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?
> >>
> >
> > You might want to try knocking together a directional antenna - do a
> > Google search for "pringles-can wifi antenna" (without the quotes).
>
>
> I might try that, but what should I use in the other building?
>
Depends on the distribution of machines - you might get away with just
the directional antenna, otherwise you'll probably want another WAP.

Rob Morley wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
> (E-Mail Removed) says...
>
>>Rob Morley wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
>>>(E-Mail Removed) says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
>>>>pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA card)
>>>>
>>>>I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:
>>>>
>>>>My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
>>>>aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at a
>>>>window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have a
>>>>wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
>>>>bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?
>>>>
>>>
>>>You might want to try knocking together a directional antenna - do a
>>>Google search for "pringles-can wifi antenna" (without the quotes).
>>
>>
>>I might try that, but what should I use in the other building?
>>
>
> Depends on the distribution of machines - you might get away with just
> the directional antenna, otherwise you'll probably want another WAP.


So can a WAP work as a receiver and transmitter without being conneceted
to any ethernet?

"enorehtonatey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> John wrote:
>
> > "Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) t...
> >
> >>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
> >>(E-Mail Removed) says...
> >>
> >>>If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
> >>>pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA
> >
> > card)
> >
> >>>I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:
> >>>
> >>>My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
> >>>aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at
a
> >>>window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have
a
> >>>wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
> >>>bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?
> >>>
> >>
> >>You might want to try knocking together a directional antenna - do a
> >>Google search for "pringles-can wifi antenna" (without the quotes).
> >
> >
> > I would suggest you try the Netgear WG121 Wireless USB adapter attached
to
> > your laptop instead of the PCMCIA card. I was recently on Vacation with
my
> > laptop, the PCMCIA card didn't find any networks but the WG121 found and
> > connected to 2 hotels that were a fair way away.
> > I think if you were to use an external antenna to give a better signal
you
> > would need to do the same at the client end too ?
>
> Thanks but I don't want to use USB and also I want a really good signal
> throughout the second building.
>
> Would this work - at the client end I have an AP in a good position - ie
> at a window and it is connected to a second AP by a short length of
> ethernet cable?? The second AP ensures a good signal in that building???

OK I suggested the USB device because I thought you needed to be mobile.
Sounds like you need a repeater.
I use Dlink AP's on my network and have no knowledge of Netgear equivalents.
Can only suggest using a Dlink DWL-2100AP as an AP and a second working in
repeater mode in the second building, Dlink antenna's are detatchable so you
can fit high gain antenna's if necessary (their antenna's are good but
expensive (I think)).

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
(E-Mail Removed) says...
> Rob Morley wrote:
>
> > In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
> > (E-Mail Removed) says...
> >
> >>Rob Morley wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
> >>>(E-Mail Removed) says...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If I put my Access Point (Netgear WG602) just outside my window I can
> >>>>pick up a weak signal inside a nearby building (with my laptop/PMCIA card)
> >>>>
> >>>>I'd like to have a strong signal in that building. Would this work:
> >>>>
> >>>>My AP ariel is detachable, so I was thinking of putting my Acces Point
> >>>>aerial outside permanently and having something like a router or AP at a
> >>>>window, in the other building to connect with it. I don't want to have a
> >>>>wired network in the other building or spend a lot. Do I need to have a
> >>>>bridge AND an AP or is there a single device that will do what I want?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>You might want to try knocking together a directional antenna - do a
> >>>Google search for "pringles-can wifi antenna" (without the quotes).
> >>
> >>
> >>I might try that, but what should I use in the other building?
> >>
> >
> > Depends on the distribution of machines - you might get away with just
> > the directional antenna, otherwise you'll probably want another WAP.
>
> So can a WAP work as a receiver and transmitter without being conneceted
> to any ethernet?
>
That's what happens when you have multiple devices using infrastructure
mode and talking to each other. You can also run two WAPs in repeating
mode to extend a single network to the range of both WAPs, or bridging
mode to join two networks wirelessly. I don't think all WAPs will do
this, and if they run in bridging mode they may not also accept client
connections, but I'm not sure because I'm no expert when it comes to
wireless stuff.

Rob Morley wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "enorehtonatey"
> (E-Mail Removed) says...
>
>l antenna, otherwise you'll probably want another WAP.
>>
>>So can a WAP work as a receiver and transmitter without being conneceted
>>to any ethernet?
>>
>
> That's what happens when you have multiple devices using infrastructure
> mode and talking to each other. You can also run two WAPs in repeating
> mode to extend a single network to the range of both WAPs, or bridging
> mode to join two networks wirelessly. I don't think all WAPs will do
> this, and if they run in bridging mode they may not also accept client
> connections, but I'm not sure because I'm no expert when it comes to
> wireless stuff.

OK thanks. An WAP that will act as a repeater sounds worth looking at.