WINS server question with 2 subnets

I have a network with 2 sites connected by a T1, right now I'm useing AD
with DNS I dont' have a wins server... If I browse the network I see all
computers from both site... one day it just started working like that...
these sites have different subnets and I thought that without WINS or
somethign like that you would only see the computers in your subnet unless
you called them by name... 2 questions should I install a WINS server,
everything seams to be runnign ok. And question 2 is why am I seeing both
subnets?

Thanks

"John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have a network with 2 sites connected by a T1, right now I'm useing AD
>with DNS I dont' have a wins server... If I browse the network I see all
>computers from both site... one day it just started working like that...
>these sites have different subnets and I thought that without WINS or
>somethign like that you would only see the computers in your subnet unless
>you called them by name... 2 questions should I install a WINS server,
>everything seams to be runnign ok. And question 2 is why am I seeing both
>subnets?
>
> Thanks
>
You might be allowing netbios broadcasts through the router? Check all of
the DC's for WINS running. I would setup WINS, it's not difficult - sounds
like you have a small environment.

Matt

yeah no wins running as of yet... ok I'll install wins I just wasn't sure as
in some MS docs it seams like they arn't recomending it anymore or
something... but I think it would be good to install as I don't want extra
broadcasts going over the slow link... thanks


"Matt Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I have a network with 2 sites connected by a T1, right now I'm useing AD
>>with DNS I dont' have a wins server... If I browse the network I see all
>>computers from both site... one day it just started working like that...
>>these sites have different subnets and I thought that without WINS or
>>somethign like that you would only see the computers in your subnet unless
>>you called them by name... 2 questions should I install a WINS server,
>>everything seams to be runnign ok. And question 2 is why am I seeing both
>>subnets?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
> You might be allowing netbios broadcasts through the router? Check all of
> the DC's for WINS running. I would setup WINS, it's not difficult -
> sounds like you have a small environment.
>
> Matt
>

If you want to use browsing across routers or WAN links, you really need
WINS. And setting up WINS and making all machines WINS clients should cut
down broadcasts.

"John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> yeah no wins running as of yet... ok I'll install wins I just wasn't sure
> as in some MS docs it seams like they arn't recomending it anymore or
> something... but I think it would be good to install as I don't want extra
> broadcasts going over the slow link... thanks
>
>
> "Matt Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>I have a network with 2 sites connected by a T1, right now I'm useing AD
>>>with DNS I dont' have a wins server... If I browse the network I see all
>>>computers from both site... one day it just started working like that...
>>>these sites have different subnets and I thought that without WINS or
>>>somethign like that you would only see the computers in your subnet
>>>unless you called them by name... 2 questions should I install a WINS
>>>server, everything seams to be runnign ok. And question 2 is why am I
>>>seeing both subnets?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>> You might be allowing netbios broadcasts through the router? Check all
>> of the DC's for WINS running. I would setup WINS, it's not difficult -
>> sounds like you have a small environment.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>
>

this is no way over rides or messes with DNS or anythig elce right? Right
now I use DHCP with DNS and everythgin is working fine, my plan is to
install WINS at both sites and with the "WINS" server in via DHCP.. sound
good? Everythgin should keep working as it is now no?

"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> If you want to use browsing across routers or WAN links, you really need
> WINS. And setting up WINS and making all machines WINS clients should cut
> down broadcasts.
>
> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> yeah no wins running as of yet... ok I'll install wins I just wasn't sure
>> as in some MS docs it seams like they arn't recomending it anymore or
>> something... but I think it would be good to install as I don't want
>> extra broadcasts going over the slow link... thanks
>>
>>
>> "Matt Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>I have a network with 2 sites connected by a T1, right now I'm useing AD
>>>>with DNS I dont' have a wins server... If I browse the network I see all
>>>>computers from both site... one day it just started working like that...
>>>>these sites have different subnets and I thought that without WINS or
>>>>somethign like that you would only see the computers in your subnet
>>>>unless you called them by name... 2 questions should I install a WINS
>>>>server, everything seams to be runnign ok. And question 2 is why am I
>>>>seeing both subnets?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>> You might be allowing netbios broadcasts through the router? Check all
>>> of the DC's for WINS running. I would setup WINS, it's not difficult -
>>> sounds like you have a small environment.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

If the sites are permanently connected, you can get by with one WINS
server. If you install two, you need to have them replicating so that they
both have info about the "other" site.

The Netbios name service is independent of DNS, whether it is working
through WINS or by broadcast (as it is now).

"John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> this is no way over rides or messes with DNS or anythig elce right? Right
> now I use DHCP with DNS and everythgin is working fine, my plan is to
> install WINS at both sites and with the "WINS" server in via DHCP.. sound
> good? Everythgin should keep working as it is now no?
>
> "Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> If you want to use browsing across routers or WAN links, you really need
>> WINS. And setting up WINS and making all machines WINS clients should cut
>> down broadcasts.
>>
>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> yeah no wins running as of yet... ok I'll install wins I just wasn't
>>> sure as in some MS docs it seams like they arn't recomending it anymore
>>> or something... but I think it would be good to install as I don't want
>>> extra broadcasts going over the slow link... thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>
>>>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>I have a network with 2 sites connected by a T1, right now I'm useing
>>>>>AD with DNS I dont' have a wins server... If I browse the network I see
>>>>>all computers from both site... one day it just started working like
>>>>>that... these sites have different subnets and I thought that without
>>>>>WINS or somethign like that you would only see the computers in your
>>>>>subnet unless you called them by name... 2 questions should I install a
>>>>>WINS server, everything seams to be runnign ok. And question 2 is why
>>>>>am I seeing both subnets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>> You might be allowing netbios broadcasts through the router? Check all
>>>> of the DC's for WINS running. I would setup WINS, it's not difficult -
>>>> sounds like you have a small environment.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

thanks for all the help one more question.... When I setup WINS on my DHCP
server what do I put under "046 WINS/NBT Node Type" do I need to do that?
I'm going to put the IPs of my WINS server under "044 WINS server" but this
other one there seams to be a B P N and H node.. thanks


"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> If the sites are permanently connected, you can get by with one WINS
> server. If you install two, you need to have them replicating so that they
> both have info about the "other" site.
>
> The Netbios name service is independent of DNS, whether it is working
> through WINS or by broadcast (as it is now).
>
> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> this is no way over rides or messes with DNS or anythig elce right? Right
>> now I use DHCP with DNS and everythgin is working fine, my plan is to
>> install WINS at both sites and with the "WINS" server in via DHCP.. sound
>> good? Everythgin should keep working as it is now no?
>>
>> "Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> If you want to use browsing across routers or WAN links, you really
>>> need WINS. And setting up WINS and making all machines WINS clients
>>> should cut down broadcasts.
>>>
>>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> yeah no wins running as of yet... ok I'll install wins I just wasn't
>>>> sure as in some MS docs it seams like they arn't recomending it anymore
>>>> or something... but I think it would be good to install as I don't want
>>>> extra broadcasts going over the slow link... thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Matt Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>I have a network with 2 sites connected by a T1, right now I'm useing
>>>>>>AD with DNS I dont' have a wins server... If I browse the network I
>>>>>>see all computers from both site... one day it just started working
>>>>>>like that... these sites have different subnets and I thought that
>>>>>>without WINS or somethign like that you would only see the computers
>>>>>>in your subnet unless you called them by name... 2 questions should I
>>>>>>install a WINS server, everything seams to be runnign ok. And question
>>>>>>2 is why am I seeing both subnets?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>> You might be allowing netbios broadcasts through the router? Check
>>>>> all of the DC's for WINS running. I would setup WINS, it's not
>>>>> difficult - sounds like you have a small environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I thought WINS clients were automatically set to H node. That is
certainly the one to use. It tries WINS first, and only resorts to broadcast
if WINS doesn't reply.

"John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> thanks for all the help one more question.... When I setup WINS on my DHCP
> server what do I put under "046 WINS/NBT Node Type" do I need to do that?
> I'm going to put the IPs of my WINS server under "044 WINS server" but
> this other one there seams to be a B P N and H node.. thanks
>
>
> "Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> If the sites are permanently connected, you can get by with one WINS
>> server. If you install two, you need to have them replicating so that
>> they both have info about the "other" site.
>>
>> The Netbios name service is independent of DNS, whether it is working
>> through WINS or by broadcast (as it is now).
>>
>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> this is no way over rides or messes with DNS or anythig elce right?
>>> Right now I use DHCP with DNS and everythgin is working fine, my plan is
>>> to install WINS at both sites and with the "WINS" server in via DHCP..
>>> sound good? Everythgin should keep working as it is now no?
>>>
>>> "Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> If you want to use browsing across routers or WAN links, you really
>>>> need WINS. And setting up WINS and making all machines WINS clients
>>>> should cut down broadcasts.
>>>>
>>>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> yeah no wins running as of yet... ok I'll install wins I just wasn't
>>>>> sure as in some MS docs it seams like they arn't recomending it
>>>>> anymore or something... but I think it would be good to install as I
>>>>> don't want extra broadcasts going over the slow link... thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Matt Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>>I have a network with 2 sites connected by a T1, right now I'm useing
>>>>>>>AD with DNS I dont' have a wins server... If I browse the network I
>>>>>>>see all computers from both site... one day it just started working
>>>>>>>like that... these sites have different subnets and I thought that
>>>>>>>without WINS or somethign like that you would only see the computers
>>>>>>>in your subnet unless you called them by name... 2 questions should I
>>>>>>>install a WINS server, everything seams to be runnign ok. And
>>>>>>>question 2 is why am I seeing both subnets?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might be allowing netbios broadcasts through the router? Check
>>>>>> all of the DC's for WINS running. I would setup WINS, it's not
>>>>>> difficult - sounds like you have a small environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Yes you should specify the Node type via option 046
hybrid is recommended: 0x8.

"John Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:
> thanks for all the help one more question.... When I setup WINS on my
DHCP
> server what do I put under "046 WINS/NBT Node Type" do I need to do
that?
> I'm going to put the IPs of my WINS server under "044 WINS server" but
this
> other one there seams to be a B P N and H node.. thanks