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Elvyn Gutierrez
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      09-04-2005, 08:55 AM
Hi. I'm trying to sync my windows 2003 pdc emulator with an external time
source. I've basically followed intructions on
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816042/.

The problem is I'm not able to find an external time source that respond to
our DC queries. I've tried with the open access servers provided on the
following list to no avail

http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/...OneTimeServers

port 123 (used by ntp) is definitely open at my FW.

Any ideas?


 
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Frankster
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      09-04-2005, 04:54 PM
Wow, I am sure confused now. I can't believe all the steps in that MS kb
article.

All I did was...

On the FSMO, open a command line session and enter:

net time /setsntp:time.nist.gov [ENTER]

THAT'S IT! (this will hold through reboots, no prob)

Now, my FSMO syncs with time.nist.gov and all my other domain members
(including the other DC), by default, sync with my FSMO. Simple. Have you
tried this?

OTOH, those instructions were so complicated, working with the registry,
that you may have now, inadvertently, introduced an error in the registry. I
dunno...

-Frank

"Elvyn Gutierrez" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi. I'm trying to sync my windows 2003 pdc emulator with an external time
> source. I've basically followed intructions on
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816042/.
>
> The problem is I'm not able to find an external time source that respond
> to our DC queries. I've tried with the open access servers provided on the
> following list to no avail
>
> http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/...OneTimeServers
>
> port 123 (used by ntp) is definitely open at my FW.
>
> Any ideas?
>



 
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Elvyn Gutierrez
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      09-04-2005, 06:37 PM
>>net time /setsntp:time.nist.gov [ENTER]<<

Yeap. That's another way to do it. it is very simple. It was working for
some time on my side and just suddenly stopped working (my guess is that the
NTP server changed from a open source to a restricted one). I just don't
know why I don't get any replies from the external NTP servers, including
the one that you mentioned. I've even tried with my laptop directly
connected to the internet (no FW in between).

Any other ideas?

"Frankster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:f-ydnWyFZtVDu4beRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Wow, I am sure confused now. I can't believe all the steps in that MS kb
> article.
>
> All I did was...
>
> On the FSMO, open a command line session and enter:
>
> net time /setsntp:time.nist.gov [ENTER]
>
> THAT'S IT! (this will hold through reboots, no prob)
>
> Now, my FSMO syncs with time.nist.gov and all my other domain members
> (including the other DC), by default, sync with my FSMO. Simple. Have
> you tried this?
>
> OTOH, those instructions were so complicated, working with the registry,
> that you may have now, inadvertently, introduced an error in the registry.
> I dunno...
>
> -Frank
>
> "Elvyn Gutierrez" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi. I'm trying to sync my windows 2003 pdc emulator with an external time
>> source. I've basically followed intructions on
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816042/.
>>
>> The problem is I'm not able to find an external time source that respond
>> to our DC queries. I've tried with the open access servers provided on
>> the following list to no avail
>>
>> http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/...OneTimeServers
>>
>> port 123 (used by ntp) is definitely open at my FW.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>

>
>



 
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Frankster
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      09-05-2005, 03:40 PM
Hmm... well... here are some log snippets from my firewall connection log
(edited for a sample of NTP traffic - not all consecutive NTP entries are
included here). Don't know if this could help.

Where...
time.nist.gov is: 192.43.244.18
My internal DC FSMO is: 172.22.1.6
My Internet gateway router (Win2K3 member server running a network firewall)
is PITTBOSS


[01/Sep/2005 02:51:35] [ID] 305254 [Rule] NAT on Outside NIC Interface
(logging NTP) [Service] NTP [Connection] UDP 172.22.1.6:123 ->
time.nist.gov:123 [Duration] 11 sec [Bytes] 76/76/152 [Packets] 1/1/2

[01/Sep/2005 03:08:59] [ID] 305296 [Rule] NAT on Outside NIC Interface
(logging NTP) [Service] NTP [Connection] UDP 172.22.1.6:123 ->
192.43.244.18:123 [Duration] 31 sec [Bytes] 76/0/76 [Packets] 1/0/1

(4 or 5 more entries almost identical to the above entry were here...)

[01/Sep/2005 04:37:32] [ID] 305669 [Rule] Mapped Port 25 SMTP [Service] SMTP
[Connection] TCP 61.74.254.69:3273 -> PITTBOSS:25 [Duration] 125 sec [Bytes]
1932/868/2800 [Packets] 13/10/23

(this was the reply entry...)

[01/Sep/2005 04:44:33] [ID] 305722 [Rule] NAT on Outside NIC Interface
(logging NTP) [Service] NTP [Connection] UDP 172.22.1.6:123 ->
time.nist.gov:123 [Duration] 11 sec [Bytes] 76/76/152 [Packets] 1/1/2

(it starts again with the above...)

What I am seeing here is my DC send the request to time.nist.gov (it uses
PITTBOSS, my Internet router as a gateway) to time.nist.gov. Then, I am
seeing my gateway (PITTBOSS) reply to my DC. I believe this is the actual
reply from time.nist.gov after being NAT'd and passed through my gateway
back to the DC.

I notice that there are many many more connections going OUT than coming
back in. I don't know exactly how NTP works, but I suspect that my system is
sending the system time out in the packet, and if there is no correction
necessary there is no reply. If there is, there is. What do you think?

Note, all UDP, no TCP. You have UDP 123 open, right?

-Frank


"Elvyn Gutierrez" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eSLXF$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>net time /setsntp:time.nist.gov [ENTER]<<

>
> Yeap. That's another way to do it. it is very simple. It was working for
> some time on my side and just suddenly stopped working (my guess is that
> the NTP server changed from a open source to a restricted one). I just
> don't know why I don't get any replies from the external NTP servers,
> including the one that you mentioned. I've even tried with my laptop
> directly connected to the internet (no FW in between).
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> "Frankster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:f-ydnWyFZtVDu4beRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Wow, I am sure confused now. I can't believe all the steps in that MS kb
>> article.
>>
>> All I did was...
>>
>> On the FSMO, open a command line session and enter:
>>
>> net time /setsntp:time.nist.gov [ENTER]
>>
>> THAT'S IT! (this will hold through reboots, no prob)
>>
>> Now, my FSMO syncs with time.nist.gov and all my other domain members
>> (including the other DC), by default, sync with my FSMO. Simple. Have
>> you tried this?
>>
>> OTOH, those instructions were so complicated, working with the registry,
>> that you may have now, inadvertently, introduced an error in the
>> registry. I dunno...
>>
>> -Frank
>>
>> "Elvyn Gutierrez" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hi. I'm trying to sync my windows 2003 pdc emulator with an external
>>> time source. I've basically followed intructions on
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816042/.
>>>
>>> The problem is I'm not able to find an external time source that respond
>>> to our DC queries. I've tried with the open access servers provided on
>>> the following list to no avail
>>>
>>> http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/...OneTimeServers
>>>
>>> port 123 (used by ntp) is definitely open at my FW.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



 
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Frankster
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      09-05-2005, 03:48 PM
Oops, sorry, correction. I mis-copy/pasted an SMTP entry in my original
reply below by mistake. I have since located a more representative sample.
These two entries are consecutive NTP firewall connection entries.

(outgoing NTP)
[01/Sep/2005 06:09:53] [ID] 306357 [Rule] NAT on Outside NIC Interface
(logging NTP) [Service] NTP [Connection] UDP 172.22.1.6:123 ->
time.nist.gov:123 [Duration] 11 sec [Bytes] 76/76/152 [Packets] 1/1/2

(incoming NTP)
[01/Sep/2005 06:14:39] [ID] 306467 [Rule] NTP (Any-Any) - Service NTP
[Service] NTP [Connection] UDP PITTBOSS:123 -> 172.22.1.6:123 [Duration] 11
sec [Bytes] 96/96/192 [Packets] 1/1/2

There! Grin!

-Frank

"Frankster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:XbudnYkjYLx9-4HeRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hmm... well... here are some log snippets from my firewall connection log
> (edited for a sample of NTP traffic - not all consecutive NTP entries are
> included here). Don't know if this could help.
>
> Where...
> time.nist.gov is: 192.43.244.18
> My internal DC FSMO is: 172.22.1.6
> My Internet gateway router (Win2K3 member server running a network
> firewall) is PITTBOSS
>
>
> [01/Sep/2005 02:51:35] [ID] 305254 [Rule] NAT on Outside NIC Interface
> (logging NTP) [Service] NTP [Connection] UDP 172.22.1.6:123 ->
> time.nist.gov:123 [Duration] 11 sec [Bytes] 76/76/152 [Packets] 1/1/2
>
> [01/Sep/2005 03:08:59] [ID] 305296 [Rule] NAT on Outside NIC Interface
> (logging NTP) [Service] NTP [Connection] UDP 172.22.1.6:123 ->
> 192.43.244.18:123 [Duration] 31 sec [Bytes] 76/0/76 [Packets] 1/0/1
>
> (4 or 5 more entries almost identical to the above entry were here...)
>
> [01/Sep/2005 04:37:32] [ID] 305669 [Rule] Mapped Port 25 SMTP [Service]
> SMTP [Connection] TCP 61.74.254.69:3273 -> PITTBOSS:25 [Duration] 125 sec
> [Bytes] 1932/868/2800 [Packets] 13/10/23
>
> (this was the reply entry...)
>
> [01/Sep/2005 04:44:33] [ID] 305722 [Rule] NAT on Outside NIC Interface
> (logging NTP) [Service] NTP [Connection] UDP 172.22.1.6:123 ->
> time.nist.gov:123 [Duration] 11 sec [Bytes] 76/76/152 [Packets] 1/1/2
>
> (it starts again with the above...)
>
> What I am seeing here is my DC send the request to time.nist.gov (it uses
> PITTBOSS, my Internet router as a gateway) to time.nist.gov. Then, I am
> seeing my gateway (PITTBOSS) reply to my DC. I believe this is the actual
> reply from time.nist.gov after being NAT'd and passed through my gateway
> back to the DC.
>
> I notice that there are many many more connections going OUT than coming
> back in. I don't know exactly how NTP works, but I suspect that my system
> is sending the system time out in the packet, and if there is no
> correction necessary there is no reply. If there is, there is. What do
> you think?
>
> Note, all UDP, no TCP. You have UDP 123 open, right?
>
> -Frank
>
>
> "Elvyn Gutierrez" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:eSLXF$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>net time /setsntp:time.nist.gov [ENTER]<<

>>
>> Yeap. That's another way to do it. it is very simple. It was working for
>> some time on my side and just suddenly stopped working (my guess is that
>> the NTP server changed from a open source to a restricted one). I just
>> don't know why I don't get any replies from the external NTP servers,
>> including the one that you mentioned. I've even tried with my laptop
>> directly connected to the internet (no FW in between).
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> "Frankster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:f-ydnWyFZtVDu4beRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Wow, I am sure confused now. I can't believe all the steps in that MS kb
>>> article.
>>>
>>> All I did was...
>>>
>>> On the FSMO, open a command line session and enter:
>>>
>>> net time /setsntp:time.nist.gov [ENTER]
>>>
>>> THAT'S IT! (this will hold through reboots, no prob)
>>>
>>> Now, my FSMO syncs with time.nist.gov and all my other domain members
>>> (including the other DC), by default, sync with my FSMO. Simple. Have
>>> you tried this?
>>>
>>> OTOH, those instructions were so complicated, working with the registry,
>>> that you may have now, inadvertently, introduced an error in the
>>> registry. I dunno...
>>>
>>> -Frank
>>>
>>> "Elvyn Gutierrez" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Hi. I'm trying to sync my windows 2003 pdc emulator with an external
>>>> time source. I've basically followed intructions on
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816042/.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is I'm not able to find an external time source that
>>>> respond to our DC queries. I've tried with the open access servers
>>>> provided on the following list to no avail
>>>>
>>>> http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/...OneTimeServers
>>>>
>>>> port 123 (used by ntp) is definitely open at my FW.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



 
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      09-12-2005, 09:11 PM
On 9/4/2005 04:55, Elvyn Gutierrez wrote:
> The problem is I'm not able to find an external time source that respond to
> our DC queries. I've tried with the open access servers provided on the
> following list to no avail


Try this on your FSMO Master:

w32tm /config /manualpeerlist:<timeServer IPaddy>,0x0
/syncfromflags:MANUAL /reliable:yes /update

Then do

net stop w32time
net start w32time
w32tm /resync

note that you can set the manual peer list like the following to have
redundency:

/manualpeerlist:"1.2.3.4,0x0 1.2.3.5,0x0 1.2.3.6,0x0"

The 0x0 (zero ex zero) is for compatibility with non-windows time servers.

~Jason

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