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Here's my network situation:

cable modem <-> 802.11b router <-> wireless signal <-> 802.11g
wireless adapter <-> switch <-> three computers: Arrakis, Caladan and
GeidiPrime

The cable modem and router are on my neighbor's end, everything else is
on my end. the 802.11g adapter and both computers connect to the
switch. The wireless adapter is an Asus WL-330g, which is like a USB
wi-fi NIC, but instead of USB it's ethernet.

I'm trying to move away from windows as much as possible. It looks
like each computer needs to run the Asus WL-330g wireless ethernet
adapter configuration utility, which only runs on Win98SE / WinME /
Win2K / WinXP, in order to get an internet connection.

The first computer, Arrakis, is dual boot: Win2k and Linux. When I
first configured the wireless adapter I did so on Arrakis from Windows
2000. Then I booted Arrakis into Linux and, as expected, Arrakis
connected to the internet.

The second computer, Caladan, is running win2k. When I connected
Caladan to the switch I couldn't even ping the router *until* running
the Asus WL-330g configuration utility to detect the wireless adapter.
Once that was done, then Caladan had an internet connection.

The third computer, GeidiPrime, runs win95. The software from Asus to
detect the 802.11g network adapter won't run on win95, however.
Therefore, GeidiPrime can't "detect" the wireless network adapter, so
no internet connection for GeidiPrime.

If GeidiPrime is running just linux, how can it get an internet
connection?



Thanks,

Thufir

On 4 Oct 2005 01:34:55 -0700, (E-Mail Removed)
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Here's my network situation:
>
> cable modem <-> 802.11b router <-> wireless signal <-> 802.11g
> wireless adapter <-> switch <-> three computers: Arrakis, Caladan and
>
> The third computer, GeidiPrime, runs win95. The software from Asus to
> detect the 802.11g network adapter won't run on win95, however.
> Therefore, GeidiPrime can't "detect" the wireless network adapter, so
> no internet connection for GeidiPrime.
>
> If GeidiPrime is running just linux, how can it get an internet
> connection?
>

Get a wireless adapter that works with Linux, or connect it by wire to
one of the other PCs.


--
QOTD:
"I'll listen to reason when it comes out on CD."

Bill Marcum wrote:
....
> > If GeidiPrime is running just linux, how can it get an internet
> > connection?
> >
>
> Get a wireless adapter that works with Linux, or connect it by wire to
> one of the other PCs.
....

My primary computer, Arrakis, dual boots to linux and and windows. The
Asus WL-330g wireless adapter is compatible with linux, in that
Arrakis, when booted into Linux, gets an internet connection. I've
read that it's possible to configure the WL-330g from Linux, but have
never found the details.

When I've tried connecting the wireless adapter directly to Arrakis,
and then Arrakis to Caladan, as suggested, I run into a double NAT
problem. Hence the switch.

The other computers, Caladan and GeidiPrime, are older computers and
aren't worth enough to justify their own wireless adapters, nor are
their hard drives sufficient for dual-booting.

What's unclear to me is: What happens when Caladan runs the Asus
utility and detects the wireless adapter? More specifically, what
changed which suddenly gave Caladan internet access? Was it a change
to the adapter, to Caladan, the switch, or some or all of those? It's
possible, apparently, to detect and configure this wireless adapter
from Linux; of course that's not in the manual.


Thanks,

Thufir

Bill Marcum <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

>On 4 Oct 2005 01:34:55 -0700, (E-Mail Removed)
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> Here's my network situation:
>>
>> cable modem <-> 802.11b router <-> wireless signal <-> 802.11g
>> wireless adapter <-> switch <-> three computers: Arrakis, Caladan and
>>
>> The third computer, GeidiPrime, runs win95. The software from Asus to
>> detect the 802.11g network adapter won't run on win95, however.
>> Therefore, GeidiPrime can't "detect" the wireless network adapter, so
>> no internet connection for GeidiPrime.
>>
>> If GeidiPrime is running just linux, how can it get an internet
>> connection?

By loading the driver for your wireless card on that computer, and then
using it as a network port (eg getting its address by dhcp, or fixed or
however you set it up.) If a native driver does not exist (you never did
tell us which wireless card you use) then you can use ndiswrapper to use
the Windows XP driver instead.

>>

>Get a wireless adapter that works with Linux, or connect it by wire to
>one of the other PCs.


>--
>QOTD:
> "I'll listen to reason when it comes out on CD."

(E-Mail Removed) writes:

>Bill Marcum wrote:
>...
>> > If GeidiPrime is running just linux, how can it get an internet
>> > connection?
>> >
>>
>> Get a wireless adapter that works with Linux, or connect it by wire to
>> one of the other PCs.
>...

>My primary computer, Arrakis, dual boots to linux and and windows. The
>Asus WL-330g wireless adapter is compatible with linux, in that
>Arrakis, when booted into Linux, gets an internet connection. I've
>read that it's possible to configure the WL-330g from Linux, but have
>never found the details.

?? IT IS CONFIGURED FROM LINUX. you said you can use it. The only way to
use it is if it is configured. And it was from Linux. When Linux is running
then windows is not running.

Or by wireless adapter do you mean "wireless access point" or Wireless
router? If so, then you configure it in the same way you do from windows,
By opening a browser and going to the wireless router's web address.


>When I've tried connecting the wireless adapter directly to Arrakis,
>and then Arrakis to Caladan, as suggested, I run into a double NAT
>problem. Hence the switch.

??? No idea what you are talking about. wireless adapters are not
connected. What do you mean "double nat" problem.


>The other computers, Caladan and GeidiPrime, are older computers and
>aren't worth enough to justify their own wireless adapters, nor are
>their hard drives sufficient for dual-booting.

So, don't, except I thought you asked about wirless connection for
GeidiPrime. Someone is confused.

There is a wireless access point-- the base station. You only need one,
unless you have a very large house. It is connected to the modem which runs
the DSL or whatever for your connection to the internet.

Computers need wireless cards. One for each computer.




>What's unclear to me is: What happens when Caladan runs the Asus
>utility and detects the wireless adapter? More specifically, what
>changed which suddenly gave Caladan internet access? Was it a change
>to the adapter, to Caladan, the switch, or some or all of those? It's
>possible, apparently, to detect and configure this wireless adapter
>from Linux; of course that's not in the manual.

Please try to be very clear as to what your terms are and what your
connection topology is.

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:34:55 -0700, hawat.thufir wrote:

> If GeidiPrime is running just linux, how can it get an internet
> connection?

Buy a modem and router for it, and get your own connection, dickhead.

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:27:49 -0700, hawat.thufir wrote:

> What's unclear to me is: What happens when Caladan runs the Asus
> utility and detects the wireless adapter?

I think you mean the the Access Point? Your boxes are connected through a
switch to this AP using ethernet, right?


> More specifically, what changed which suddenly gave Caladan internet
> access?

I'd guess it sets up a default route. From your description (Linux on a
dual-boot box has access only after configuring from the Windows
installation on that box), I'd guess there is also some kind of MAC
registration going on in the AP. I see there is an option in the AP setup
page for 'MAC address clone' - is that feature enabled? You could try
disabling that and see if everything works.

Dan C wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:34:55 -0700, hawat.thufir wrote:
>
> > If GeidiPrime is running just linux, how can it get an internet
> > connection?
>
> Buy a modem and router for it, and get your own connection, dickhead.
>
> --
> If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
> Linux Registered User #327951

What makes you think that the router isn't mine? It was, then I sold
it to my neighbor. If you think you're taking some sort high moral
ground then you're very much mistaken.

-Thufir

Snowbat wrote:
....
> > What's unclear to me is: What happens when Caladan runs the Asus
> > utility and detects the wireless adapter?
>
> I think you mean the the Access Point? Your boxes are connected
> through a switch to this AP using ethernet, right?

No. The WL-330g's not an Access Point here. Yes, the boxes are
connected through a switch to the wireless adapter with RJ45 Cat 5e
cable.

The Asus WL-330g is touted as an AP, but it has a switch for AP or
Ethernet adapter modes. I'm using it as a wireless Ethernet adapter.

"Multiple IP bridge environment

In a multiple IP bridge environment the Asus Pocket Wireless AP
connects two or more wired devices to a wireless network from
a hub or switch.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
You must disable the MAC cloning feature when you set the device
to Ethernet adapter mode under this environment. Enabling MAC
cloning under this environment results to undefined and incorrect
bridge behaviour.
------------------------------------------------------------------"

--The manual, file e1539_wl-330g.pdf, section 1.5.2 Ethernet Adapter
Mode.

Topology:
cable modem <-> 802.11b router <-> wireless signal <-> 802.11g
wireless adapter <-> switch <-> three computers: Arrakis, Caladan and
GeidiPrime

I thought that I'd made the topology clear in the initial post, I
apologize if it wasn't.

> > More specifically, what changed which suddenly gave Caladan internet
> > access?
>
> I'd guess it sets up a default route. From your description (Linux on
a
> dual-boot box has access only after configuring from the Windows
> installation on that box), I'd guess there is also some kind of MAC
> registration going on in the AP. I see there is an option in the AP
setup
> page for 'MAC address clone' - is that feature enabled? You could try
> disabling that and see if everything works.

Yes, in order to operate in this "Multi-IP Bridge Environment"
correctly, MAC cloning must be disabled, which it is.

This is the part which interests me most. It appears to me that
there's
some kind of _____ registration going on in the wireless adapter.

What does it *really* mean that MAC cloning is disabled in the WL-330g?

It's still registering each wired device, presumably with MAC
addresses.

However, what about something like the Xbox, or, in this case, a linux
box? How do these other wired devices connect to the wireless network
then?



Thanks,

Thufir

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:35:57 -0700, hawat.thufir wrote:

>> Buy a modem and router for it, and get your own connection, dickhead.

> What makes you think that the router isn't mine? It was, then I sold it
> to my neighbor.

If you sold it to your neighbor, it is no longer yours. You didn't know
that?

> If you think you're taking some sort high moral ground then you're very
> much mistaken.

Does your neighbor know that you are trying to access his router from your
house? Do you have his permission to do that?

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951