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MikeS@MLS
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      09-19-2008, 08:05 PM

1: Can anyone tell me how Windows Server builds it's original routing table?
Assume the following things:

-- RRAS is not running
-- RIP, OSPF, and other routing protocol listeners are not running
-- Clean install, no mods to the routing table (i.e. no routes added or
deleted).

I can understand how some of the entries are created, but not all of them.

2: Subnet Mystery: assume an interface (NIC) is assigned an address of
192.168.109.12, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.224. The interface is
plugged into a VLAN that is assigned the subnet of 192.168.109.0/27. How,
then, does Windows end up assigning a route of 192.168.109.255 to that NIC?

x.x.x.255 is usually identified as the broadcast address for a Class "C"
address range. But in the subnet above, the broadcast address is
192.168.109.32, NOT 255. Is this a mistake with how Windows builds the
routing table? Shouldn't it be able to determine from the subnet mask for
the NIC what the correct broadcast address is?


This is causing a problem because the x.x.x.255 address falls outside of the
subnet address range, and my ISA server is barfing over an address that's
visible on that interface's routing table that's not assigned to it's
network. I guess I could add it to the ISA netowork definition, but I would
prefer to know why Windows is doing this (especially since that isn't the
correct broadcast address for that interface).

Thoughts? Thanks in advance for any help.

Mike



 
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Phillip Windell
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      09-19-2008, 08:40 PM
"MikeS@MLS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> 2: Subnet Mystery: assume an interface (NIC) is assigned an address of
> 192.168.109.12, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.224. The interface is
> plugged into a VLAN that is assigned the subnet of 192.168.109.0/27. How,
> then, does Windows end up assigning a route of 192.168.109.255 to that
> NIC?


It is still the Master Broadcast Address for the Master Subnet which is
still 192.168.109.0---192.168.109.255 inspite of the subneting you are
doing. The same issue occurs on the opposite end as well because the first
"split" shares the same Network ID with the Master Subnet and its Master
Network ID (192.168.109.0). This is why with older networking equipment you
would "loose" the first and last address block (known affectionately as the
"Subnet Zero" and the "all ones subnet") when you did a subnet split. In
later equipment you would loose the last block (all ones subnet) but got to
use the first one (Subnet Zero). Actually to be more specific, you could
always "use" them,...it was just a matter of how many "issues" that causes
back then compared to the number of "issues" it causes today,...but TCP/IP
itself has not changed. Now in the most modern equipment you get to keep and
use both of them. So I believe in the Windows routing table this is a
"legacy" thing.

For documentation of that:

Subnet Zero and the All-Ones Subnet [IP Addressing Services] - Cisco
Systems
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk64...tml#subnetzero

As far as "how" Windows builds the routing table,...it just does it based on
the Nic configurations,...so if you configure the nics correctly, the the
route table is correct. But misconfigure the nics and the route table
likewise become incorrect.

> This is causing a problem because the x.x.x.255 address falls outside of
> the
> subnet address range, and my ISA server is barfing over an address that's
> visible on that interface's routing table that's not assigned to it's
> network. I guess I could add it to the ISA netowork definition, but I
> would
> prefer to know why Windows is doing this (especially since that isn't the
> correct broadcast address for that interface).


Options:

1. Just ignore ISA's "barfing", I don't think it is hurting anything...
Also note, I believe ISA will block and complain about any broadcst
address even if it is the correct one because it just simply stops all
broadcasts just like a router does.

2. ...or add this to the Internal Network Definition's Addresses Tab
underneath your current entry:
192.168.109.255 ---- 192.168.109.255

It's not like that address will ever get used for anything anywhere that
would cause a problem anyway.

Since most people have ISA sitting on their first primary subnet that is
usually a full 254 host segment,..this is never an issue.


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