Windows 98 and Samba

I have a small home-lan, with a W2k-Notebook, a W98-PC and a RH9-Box for
NAT-routing and providing some shares.
The W2k-Notebook works as expected in cooperation with samba and dhcp.
It sees the samba-server all shares, can access printers and the internet.
My problem is the W98-PC. The first thing is, it doesn't respond to
PINGs. Ok, prabably I could live with that. But I can't live with the
fact, that it neither sees the samba-server nor the W2k-Notebook
although both (samba and W2k) see the W98-PC.
Another issue is, that W98 doesn't honour the dhcp-responds. On bootup
it makes its dhcp-request, gets its answer, but does not configure its
ethernet interface according to the dhcp-response. It always chooses
randomly an IP-address of 169.254.XXX.XXX with netmask 255.255.0.0 but
the dhcp tells it to configure with 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0.
Can anyone tell me what to change that W98 cooperates with samba and
dhcp as desired.

Thanks in advance
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Robert...

"Ulf Doz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:c0a9su$sp2$03$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have a small home-lan, with a W2k-Notebook, a W98-PC and a RH9-Box for
> NAT-routing and providing some shares.
> The W2k-Notebook works as expected in cooperation with samba and dhcp.
> It sees the samba-server all shares, can access printers and the internet.
> My problem is the W98-PC. The first thing is, it doesn't respond to
> PINGs. Ok, prabably I could live with that. But I can't live with the
> fact, that it neither sees the samba-server nor the W2k-Notebook
> although both (samba and W2k) see the W98-PC.
> Another issue is, that W98 doesn't honour the dhcp-responds. On bootup
> it makes its dhcp-request, gets its answer, but does not configure its
> ethernet interface according to the dhcp-response. It always chooses
> randomly an IP-address of 169.254.XXX.XXX with netmask 255.255.0.0 but
> the dhcp tells it to configure with 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0.
> Can anyone tell me what to change that W98 cooperates with samba and
> dhcp as desired.
>
> Thanks in advance
> --
>
> Robert...

To begin with on a small 3 PC home LAN you may as well just give them static
IPs in the 192.168.0.x range. Configure once, leave alone.
>

baldrick wrote:
> "Ulf Doz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:c0a9su$sp2$03$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>I have a small home-lan, with a W2k-Notebook, a W98-PC and a RH9-Box for
>>NAT-routing and providing some shares.
>>The W2k-Notebook works as expected in cooperation with samba and dhcp.
>>It sees the samba-server all shares, can access printers and the internet.
>>My problem is the W98-PC. The first thing is, it doesn't respond to
>>PINGs. Ok, prabably I could live with that. But I can't live with the
>>fact, that it neither sees the samba-server nor the W2k-Notebook
>>although both (samba and W2k) see the W98-PC.
>>Another issue is, that W98 doesn't honour the dhcp-responds. On bootup
>>it makes its dhcp-request, gets its answer, but does not configure its
>>ethernet interface according to the dhcp-response. It always chooses
>>randomly an IP-address of 169.254.XXX.XXX with netmask 255.255.0.0 but
>>the dhcp tells it to configure with 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0.
>>Can anyone tell me what to change that W98 cooperates with samba and
>>dhcp as desired.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>--
>>
>>Robert...
>
>
> To begin with on a small 3 PC home LAN you may as well just give them static
> IPs in the 192.168.0.x range. Configure once, leave alone.
>
>
>
Sure, would be possible, but not for the Notebook, which is also used in
other networks. I've also no administrative access to the notebook
however the notebook is not the problem, it works.
But even with static IP, W98 does not do, what it's expected to do. It
wouldn't be dramtatically not to configure W98 over dhcp, but would be nice.

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Robert...

In comp.os.linux.misc Ulf Doz <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>I have a small home-lan, with a W2k-Notebook, a W98-PC and a RH9-Box for
>NAT-routing and providing some shares.
>The W2k-Notebook works as expected in cooperation with samba and dhcp.
>It sees the samba-server all shares, can access printers and the internet.
>My problem is the W98-PC. The first thing is, it doesn't respond to
>PINGs. Ok, prabably I could live with that. But I can't live with the
>fact, that it neither sees the samba-server nor the W2k-Notebook
>although both (samba and W2k) see the W98-PC.
>Another issue is, that W98 doesn't honour the dhcp-responds. On bootup
>it makes its dhcp-request, gets its answer, but does not configure its
>ethernet interface according to the dhcp-response. It always chooses
>randomly an IP-address of 169.254.XXX.XXX with netmask 255.255.0.0 but
>the dhcp tells it to configure with 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0.
>Can anyone tell me what to change that W98 cooperates with samba and
>dhcp as desired.

It's not getting an ip address. Try configuring it statically to see
where the problem really is: if that works. your dhcp server isn't
giving it an address; if not it's nic card/cable/broken os


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(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc Ulf Doz <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I have a small home-lan, with a W2k-Notebook, a W98-PC and a RH9-Box for
>>NAT-routing and providing some shares.
>>The W2k-Notebook works as expected in cooperation with samba and dhcp.
>>It sees the samba-server all shares, can access printers and the internet.
>>My problem is the W98-PC. The first thing is, it doesn't respond to
>>PINGs. Ok, prabably I could live with that. But I can't live with the
>>fact, that it neither sees the samba-server nor the W2k-Notebook
>>although both (samba and W2k) see the W98-PC.
>>Another issue is, that W98 doesn't honour the dhcp-responds. On bootup
>>it makes its dhcp-request, gets its answer, but does not configure its
>>ethernet interface according to the dhcp-response. It always chooses
>>randomly an IP-address of 169.254.XXX.XXX with netmask 255.255.0.0 but
>>the dhcp tells it to configure with 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0.
>>Can anyone tell me what to change that W98 cooperates with samba and
>>dhcp as desired.
>
>
> It's not getting an ip address. Try configuring it statically to see
> where the problem really is: if that works. your dhcp server isn't
> giving it an address; if not it's nic card/cable/broken os
>
>
Ok, let's forget the dhcp.
The samba-server is not visible that's the bigger problem. Even with
static IPs.
If the cable were broken, I couldn't see the W98-machine from the
W2k-Notebook and the samba-server.

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Robert...

Ulf Doz wrote:

> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>>
>>
> Ok, let's forget the dhcp.
> The samba-server is not visible that's the bigger problem. Even with
> static IPs.
> If the cable were broken, I couldn't see the W98-machine from the
> W2k-Notebook and the samba-server.
>
Probably your W2k is seeing your Win98 through the Windows networking.
Did you say that the Redhat 9 is providing the IP's to your network?
Can you ping the Redhat or internet from Win98? Can you ping the dhcp
server if not Redhat?

Do you have users and passwords set-up in the Win98?
If not the Samba needs to have guest account that does not require
password or expect authentication. Not a problem just something that
needs to be done.

In Samba make sure you are allowing browsing to the "windows" network.
Can you access the Samba directly with "//servername(or IP)/share"
Do you have the Samba share in a place where ALL users can atleast read?
Note that Home directories are restricted to users in Linux but
/home/samba can be shared to all (not by default, needs to be done
separately).

W2K is more strick about sharing it's stuff so you might need to set-up
the same user account to the W2k machine as in 98 to provide the
visibility to it. Not sure because I have no W2k at home but I remember
reading about it somewhere.

-Marko

"Ulf Doz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:c0at1f$9k3$06$(E-Mail Removed)...
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> > In comp.os.linux.misc Ulf Doz <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >>I have a small home-lan, with a W2k-Notebook, a W98-PC and a RH9-Box for
> >>NAT-routing and providing some shares.
> >>The W2k-Notebook works as expected in cooperation with samba and dhcp.
> >>It sees the samba-server all shares, can access printers and the
internet.
> >>My problem is the W98-PC. The first thing is, it doesn't respond to
> >>PINGs. Ok, prabably I could live with that. But I can't live with the
> >>fact, that it neither sees the samba-server nor the W2k-Notebook
> >>although both (samba and W2k) see the W98-PC.
> >>Another issue is, that W98 doesn't honour the dhcp-responds. On bootup
> >>it makes its dhcp-request, gets its answer, but does not configure its
> >>ethernet interface according to the dhcp-response. It always chooses
> >>randomly an IP-address of 169.254.XXX.XXX with netmask 255.255.0.0 but
> >>the dhcp tells it to configure with 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0.
> >>Can anyone tell me what to change that W98 cooperates with samba and
> >>dhcp as desired.
> >
> >
> > It's not getting an ip address. Try configuring it statically to see
> > where the problem really is: if that works. your dhcp server isn't
> > giving it an address; if not it's nic card/cable/broken os
> >
> >
> Ok, let's forget the dhcp.
> The samba-server is not visible that's the bigger problem. Even with
> static IPs.
> If the cable were broken, I couldn't see the W98-machine from the
> W2k-Notebook and the samba-server.

Do start>run
command
in the command window type "ipconfig"

Make sure your IP address is within the range of your sub-net, I think you
said 192.168.0.0/24. If it isn't your network won't work until it is.
>
> --
>
> Robert...
>

underground wrote:
> "Ulf Doz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:c0at1f$9k3$06$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>>
>>>In comp.os.linux.misc Ulf Doz <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a small home-lan, with a W2k-Notebook, a W98-PC and a RH9-Box for
>>>>NAT-routing and providing some shares.
>>>>The W2k-Notebook works as expected in cooperation with samba and dhcp.
>>>>It sees the samba-server all shares, can access printers and the
>
> internet.
>
>>>>My problem is the W98-PC. The first thing is, it doesn't respond to
>>>>PINGs. Ok, prabably I could live with that. But I can't live with the
>>>>fact, that it neither sees the samba-server nor the W2k-Notebook
>>>>although both (samba and W2k) see the W98-PC.
>>>>Another issue is, that W98 doesn't honour the dhcp-responds. On bootup
>>>>it makes its dhcp-request, gets its answer, but does not configure its
>>>>ethernet interface according to the dhcp-response. It always chooses
>>>>randomly an IP-address of 169.254.XXX.XXX with netmask 255.255.0.0 but
>>>>the dhcp tells it to configure with 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0.
>>>>Can anyone tell me what to change that W98 cooperates with samba and
>>>>dhcp as desired.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's not getting an ip address. Try configuring it statically to see
>>>where the problem really is: if that works. your dhcp server isn't
>>>giving it an address; if not it's nic card/cable/broken os
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Ok, let's forget the dhcp.
>>The samba-server is not visible that's the bigger problem. Even with
>>static IPs.
>>If the cable were broken, I couldn't see the W98-machine from the
>>W2k-Notebook and the samba-server.
>
>
> Do start>run
> command
> in the command window type "ipconfig"
>
> Make sure your IP address is within the range of your sub-net, I think you
> said 192.168.0.0/24. If it isn't your network won't work until it is.
>
Already done. A static IP for W98 brings partial success. In theory
communication must work, because W2k can access shares of W98 and Samba
and W98 can access the internet via the NAT-Router (same machine samba
is runing on). If W98 is configured for dhcp, my dhcp explicitely logs
W98's dhcp-request and the corresponding answer. This was also proved
with tcpdump. But W98 strictly ignores the given informations.
>>--
>>
>>Robert...
>>
>
>
>


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Robert...

Marko Nurmenniemi wrote:
> Ulf Doz wrote:
>
>> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>> Ok, let's forget the dhcp.
>> The samba-server is not visible that's the bigger problem. Even with
>> static IPs.
>> If the cable were broken, I couldn't see the W98-machine from the
>> W2k-Notebook and the samba-server.
>>
> Probably your W2k is seeing your Win98 through the Windows networking.
> Did you say that the Redhat 9 is providing the IP's to your network?
> Can you ping the Redhat or internet from Win98? Can you ping the dhcp
> server if not Redhat?
>
> Do you have users and passwords set-up in the Win98?
> If not the Samba needs to have guest account that does not require
> password or expect authentication. Not a problem just something that
> needs to be done.
>
> In Samba make sure you are allowing browsing to the "windows" network.
> Can you access the Samba directly with "//servername(or IP)/share"
> Do you have the Samba share in a place where ALL users can atleast read?
> Note that Home directories are restricted to users in Linux but
> /home/samba can be shared to all (not by default, needs to be done
> separately).
>
> W2K is more strick about sharing it's stuff so you might need to set-up
> the same user account to the W2k machine as in 98 to provide the
> visibility to it. Not sure because I have no W2k at home but I remember
> reading about it somewhere.
>
> -Marko

Some interesting hints, I will investigate this as soon as possible.
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Robert...

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:56:46 +0100, Ulf Doz <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>PINGs. Ok, prabably I could live with that. But I can't live with the
>fact, that it neither sees the samba-server nor the W2k-Notebook
>although both (samba and W2k) see the W98-PC.

One way networking like that is often down to a misbehaving firewall.
If you have a firewall, uninstall it (don't just disable) until the
problem is resolved.


Jim.