Win98/WinXP home network

Hello

I hope someone can help me. I am putting together a small home network
using a router and Ethernet adapters.

It hasn't started too well. Right now I have only two computer on the
network, one using Win98 and the
other WinXp SP2. Both access the internet OK through the router and the XP
computer can see the 98 one in "Network Places", but the 98 one cannot see
the XP one either in the network places or using UNC (start>run\\<computer
name>). Both are in the same (and only) work group. I have checked that the
NICs are working properly, have tied adjusting a number of software
settings,
taking Windows Firewall off the XP system, etc but to no avial. Am I
missing something basic? What else should I try?

Any ideas would be much appreciated

Mike

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:49:46 -0500, "WeatherGuy"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Hello
>
>I hope someone can help me. I am putting together a small home network
>using a router and Ethernet adapters.
>
>It hasn't started too well. Right now I have only two computer on the
>network, one using Win98 and the
>other WinXp SP2. Both access the internet OK through the router and the XP
>computer can see the 98 one in "Network Places", but the 98 one cannot see
>the XP one either in the network places or using UNC (start>run\\<computer
>name>). Both are in the same (and only) work group. I have checked that the
>NICs are working properly, have tied adjusting a number of software
>settings,
>taking Windows Firewall off the XP system, etc but to no avial. Am I
>missing something basic? What else should I try?
>
>Any ideas would be much appreciated
>
>Mike

Mike,

Check for a browser conflict between the WinXP computer and the Win98 computer.
I"m not talking about Internet Explorer here. The browser is the program that
allows any computer to see any other computer on the LAN. The browsers for
WinXP (WinNT/2K/XP) and Win98 (Win95/98/ME) don't work well together on the same
LAN.

Make sure the browser service is running on the WinXP computer only. Control
Panel - Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the Computer Browser, and
the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper, services both show with Status = Started. Disable
the browser on the Win98 computer:
http://cms.simons-rock.edu/faq_by_subtopic/node138.html

After checking / disabling / enabling as above, power both computers off to
reset the browser settings on each. Then power both back on.

The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers (I'm not talking about
Internet Explorer here) you have in your domain / workgroup, at any time.
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305

You can download Browstat from either:
<http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
<http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>

Browstat is very small (40K), and needs no install. Just unzip the downloaded
file, copy browstat.exe to any folder in the Path, and run it from a command
window, by "browstat status". Make sure all computers list the same master
browser.
For more information about the browser subsystem (very intricate), see:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188001
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net

"Chuck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:49:46 -0500, "WeatherGuy"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>
>>I hope someone can help me. I am putting together a small home network
>>using a router and Ethernet adapters.
>>
>>It hasn't started too well. Right now I have only two computer on the
>>network, one using Win98 and the
>>other WinXp SP2. Both access the internet OK through the router and the XP
>>computer can see the 98 one in "Network Places", but the 98 one cannot see
>>the XP one either in the network places or using UNC (start>run\\<computer
>>name>). Both are in the same (and only) work group. I have checked that
>>the
>>NICs are working properly, have tied adjusting a number of software
>>settings,
>>taking Windows Firewall off the XP system, etc but to no avial. Am I
>>missing something basic? What else should I try?
>>
>>Any ideas would be much appreciated
>>
>>Mike
>
> Mike,
>
> Check for a browser conflict between the WinXP computer and the Win98
> computer.
> I"m not talking about Internet Explorer here. The browser is the program
> that
> allows any computer to see any other computer on the LAN. The browsers
> for
> WinXP (WinNT/2K/XP) and Win98 (Win95/98/ME) don't work well together on
> the same
> LAN.
>
> Make sure the browser service is running on the WinXP computer only.
> Control
> Panel - Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the Computer
> Browser, and
> the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper, services both show with Status = Started.
> Disable
> the browser on the Win98 computer:
> http://cms.simons-rock.edu/faq_by_subtopic/node138.html
>
> After checking / disabling / enabling as above, power both computers off
> to
> reset the browser settings on each. Then power both back on.
>
> The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers (I'm not talking
> about
> Internet Explorer here) you have in your domain / workgroup, at any time.
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
>
> You can download Browstat from either:
> <http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
> <http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>
>
> Browstat is very small (40K), and needs no install. Just unzip the
> downloaded
> file, copy browstat.exe to any folder in the Path, and run it from a
> command
> window, by "browstat status". Make sure all computers list the same
> master
> browser.
> For more information about the browser subsystem (very intricate), see:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188001
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck sonic net


Thanks, Chuck - you were right! I checked and, for some reason, Browser (and
Server on which it depends) both showed as disabled in services.msc on the
XP computer. I should have been able to figure that out myself, because the
XP computer did not show itself in the workgroup!

Both services are now set to automatic, and after a restart everything
worked perfectly.

If only I knew enough about these things to assist others the way you have
helped me. Maybe someday...

Regards

Mike

P.S. Like your tagline...

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:45:05 -0500, "WeatherGuy"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>"Chuck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:49:46 -0500, "WeatherGuy"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello
>>>
>>>I hope someone can help me. I am putting together a small home network
>>>using a router and Ethernet adapters.
>>>
>>>It hasn't started too well. Right now I have only two computer on the
>>>network, one using Win98 and the
>>>other WinXp SP2. Both access the internet OK through the router and the XP
>>>computer can see the 98 one in "Network Places", but the 98 one cannot see
>>>the XP one either in the network places or using UNC (start>run\\<computer
>>>name>). Both are in the same (and only) work group. I have checked that
>>>the
>>>NICs are working properly, have tied adjusting a number of software
>>>settings,
>>>taking Windows Firewall off the XP system, etc but to no avial. Am I
>>>missing something basic? What else should I try?
>>>
>>>Any ideas would be much appreciated
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Check for a browser conflict between the WinXP computer and the Win98
>> computer.
>> I"m not talking about Internet Explorer here. The browser is the program
>> that
>> allows any computer to see any other computer on the LAN. The browsers
>> for
>> WinXP (WinNT/2K/XP) and Win98 (Win95/98/ME) don't work well together on
>> the same
>> LAN.
>>
>> Make sure the browser service is running on the WinXP computer only.
>> Control
>> Panel - Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the Computer
>> Browser, and
>> the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper, services both show with Status = Started.
>> Disable
>> the browser on the Win98 computer:
>> http://cms.simons-rock.edu/faq_by_subtopic/node138.html
>>
>> After checking / disabling / enabling as above, power both computers off
>> to
>> reset the browser settings on each. Then power both back on.
>>
>> The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers (I'm not talking
>> about
>> Internet Explorer here) you have in your domain / workgroup, at any time.
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
>>
>> You can download Browstat from either:
>> <http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
>> <http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>
>>
>> Browstat is very small (40K), and needs no install. Just unzip the
>> downloaded
>> file, copy browstat.exe to any folder in the Path, and run it from a
>> command
>> window, by "browstat status". Make sure all computers list the same
>> master
>> browser.
>> For more information about the browser subsystem (very intricate), see:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188001
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Chuck
>> Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
>> My email is AT DOT
>> actual address pchuck sonic net
>
>
>Thanks, Chuck - you were right! I checked and, for some reason, Browser (and
>Server on which it depends) both showed as disabled in services.msc on the
>XP computer. I should have been able to figure that out myself, because the
>XP computer did not show itself in the workgroup!
>
>Both services are now set to automatic, and after a restart everything
>worked perfectly.
>
>If only I knew enough about these things to assist others the way you have
>helped me. Maybe someday...
>
>Regards
>
>Mike
>
>P.S. Like your tagline...

Thanks for the feedback, Mike. This forum, like others, is here to provide peer
to peer support. Many folks have something to contribute, though some may not
realise it immediately.

Strange that your Browser and Server services were disabled; please let us know
if that happens again.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net

Hi,
You seem to know a lot about networking
i have a windows 98SE laptop and a windowsXP home desktop computer.
i want to know how to set up a network between them and if programs on 1
computer can be used on another
my email is chewy5000(AT)hotmai(lDOT)com

"Chuck" wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:49:46 -0500, "WeatherGuy"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >Hello
> >
> >I hope someone can help me. I am putting together a small home network
> >using a router and Ethernet adapters.
> >
> >It hasn't started too well. Right now I have only two computer on the
> >network, one using Win98 and the
> >other WinXp SP2. Both access the internet OK through the router and the XP
> >computer can see the 98 one in "Network Places", but the 98 one cannot see
> >the XP one either in the network places or using UNC (start>run\\<computer
> >name>). Both are in the same (and only) work group. I have checked that the
> >NICs are working properly, have tied adjusting a number of software
> >settings,
> >taking Windows Firewall off the XP system, etc but to no avial. Am I
> >missing something basic? What else should I try?
> >
> >Any ideas would be much appreciated
> >
> >Mike
>
> Mike,
>
> Check for a browser conflict between the WinXP computer and the Win98 computer.
> I"m not talking about Internet Explorer here. The browser is the program that
> allows any computer to see any other computer on the LAN. The browsers for
> WinXP (WinNT/2K/XP) and Win98 (Win95/98/ME) don't work well together on the same
> LAN.
>
> Make sure the browser service is running on the WinXP computer only. Control
> Panel - Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the Computer Browser, and
> the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper, services both show with Status = Started. Disable
> the browser on the Win98 computer:
> http://cms.simons-rock.edu/faq_by_subtopic/node138.html
>
> After checking / disabling / enabling as above, power both computers off to
> reset the browser settings on each. Then power both back on.
>
> The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers (I'm not talking about
> Internet Explorer here) you have in your domain / workgroup, at any time.
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
>
> You can download Browstat from either:
> <http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
> <http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>
>
> Browstat is very small (40K), and needs no install. Just unzip the downloaded
> file, copy browstat.exe to any folder in the Path, and run it from a command
> window, by "browstat status". Make sure all computers list the same master
> browser.
> For more information about the browser subsystem (very intricate), see:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188001
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck sonic net
>

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:17:01 -0800, Stu <*email_address_deleted*> wrote:

>Hi,
>You seem to know a lot about networking
>i have a windows 98SE laptop and a windowsXP home desktop computer.
>i want to know how to set up a network between them and if programs on 1
>computer can be used on another

Stu,

Networking is a lot of fun, but you need to start with a basic understanding how
to start.

Here are a few websites with useful tutorials, for general information:
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/
http://www.wown.com/

Now as to the issue about using programs on one computer from another, this
varies. Most Windows applications are installed on a given computer, and
installation creates entries in the system registry. The registry is accessible
only from the computer that it's installed on. If you were to install an
application like Microsoft Office for instance on Computer1, then share
"C:\Microsoft Office", you could maybe access the files in
"\\Computer1\Microsoft Office" from Computer2, but you'd not be able to run any
of the programs in there.

When you have any specific questions about file sharing or networking (and
questions are normal, and should not be avoided), please feel free to post back
here anytime. These forums are great places for peer assistance, and they work
best when questions and answers are made where everybody can see and respond,
and learn.

How to Compose a Good Newsgroup Post
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to Act Smart on Usenet
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Getting Your Post Noticed - and Answered
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net

I am having trouble sharing files and printers between Win XP Home SP2 and
Win 98 SE. I just read this post and tried to disable the master broswser on
98 SE but it does not have a Network Neighborhood folder. The XP is enabled.
The XP is sharing files but not printers in the shared folders. The XP
cannot see anything from the 98 SE nor can the 98 SE see anything from the
XP. Internet is working fine. Can you help me to resolve this problem?

"Chuck" wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:17:01 -0800, Stu <*email_address_deleted*> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >You seem to know a lot about networking
> >i have a windows 98SE laptop and a windowsXP home desktop computer.
> >i want to know how to set up a network between them and if programs on 1
> >computer can be used on another
>
> Stu,
>
> Networking is a lot of fun, but you need to start with a basic understanding how
> to start.
>
> Here are a few websites with useful tutorials, for general information:
> http://www.cablesense.com/
> http://www.homenethelp.com/
> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/
> http://www.wown.com/
>
> Now as to the issue about using programs on one computer from another, this
> varies. Most Windows applications are installed on a given computer, and
> installation creates entries in the system registry. The registry is accessible
> only from the computer that it's installed on. If you were to install an
> application like Microsoft Office for instance on Computer1, then share
> "C:\Microsoft Office", you could maybe access the files in
> "\\Computer1\Microsoft Office" from Computer2, but you'd not be able to run any
> of the programs in there.
>
> When you have any specific questions about file sharing or networking (and
> questions are normal, and should not be avoided), please feel free to post back
> here anytime. These forums are great places for peer assistance, and they work
> best when questions and answers are made where everybody can see and respond,
> and learn.
>
> How to Compose a Good Newsgroup Post
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
> How to Act Smart on Usenet
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> Getting Your Post Noticed - and Answered
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck sonic net
>