win98 dhcp problem

i am trying to get win98 to pull an ip from a 172er DHCP
server (xdsl modem). the win98 pc is getting 169er IPs
whereas the rest correctly get 10.x.x.x ips

I tried all sorts of registry hacks and even deleted the
DHCPInfo00 and reinstalled the network etc etc
still it will not connect to the 172er DHCP server
win98 in autoconfig always sets dhcp server to
255.255.255.255 and if i switch it off it's 0.0.0.0 and
even if i set it manually ti what it is supposed to be and
set a manual ip in the 10.x.x.x. range the win98 pc will
not be able to connect to any network pc nor is it visible
for others.

notebook with xircom 10/100 pcmica card.

slightly amused to read how the dhcp auto config is
supposed to make it easier for the user to handle small
LANs.. heh, only if all pcs are use win98 or what?

also I noticed that when using xp and win2k in the same
network the "default netbios" setting in xp does not work
at all and does not switch to "eanble netbios over tcp/ip"
if all else fails. the only way to properly populate the
network when using mixed M$ Oses is to switch off
that "default" feature in xp and set it to "use netbios"
otherwise win2k PCs will not be known to the xp machine
and traffic (email etc) will not be possible if the xp
machine is set as gateway. I witnessed this behavior back
when xp was introduced and assumed it has been reciftied
by now, to my utter amazement it has not.

if anyone has hints tips for the win98 issue i'd be
grateful if nto i'll just dump the relevant data onto a
ZIP disk and format the darn thing.

a.

In article <065c01c3fadb$6827b380$(E-Mail Removed)>, "greyhair"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>i am trying to get win98 to pull an ip from a 172er DHCP
>server (xdsl modem). the win98 pc is getting 169er IPs
>whereas the rest correctly get 10.x.x.x ips
>
>I tried all sorts of registry hacks and even deleted the
>DHCPInfo00 and reinstalled the network etc etc
>still it will not connect to the 172er DHCP server
>win98 in autoconfig always sets dhcp server to
>255.255.255.255 and if i switch it off it's 0.0.0.0 and
>even if i set it manually ti what it is supposed to be and
>set a manual ip in the 10.x.x.x. range the win98 pc will
>not be able to connect to any network pc nor is it visible
>for others.
>
>notebook with xircom 10/100 pcmica card.
>
>slightly amused to read how the dhcp auto config is
>supposed to make it easier for the user to handle small
>LANs.. heh, only if all pcs are use win98 or what?

Since the card won't work with a manual IP address, either, I don't
think that the problem has anything to do with DHCP.

It's possible that the network card or cabling is defective. For more
possible solutions, please see:

Windows XP Network Troubleshooting - Problems with Network Cards
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...etworkcard.htm

>also I noticed that when using xp and win2k in the same
>network the "default netbios" setting in xp does not work
>at all and does not switch to "eanble netbios over tcp/ip"
>if all else fails. the only way to properly populate the
>network when using mixed M$ Oses is to switch off
>that "default" feature in xp and set it to "use netbios"
>otherwise win2k PCs will not be known to the xp machine
>and traffic (email etc) will not be possible if the xp
>machine is set as gateway. I witnessed this behavior back
>when xp was introduced and assumed it has been reciftied
>by now, to my utter amazement it has not.
>
>if anyone has hints tips for the win98 issue i'd be
>grateful if nto i'll just dump the relevant data onto a
>ZIP disk and format the darn thing.
>
>a.

Actually, XP and Win2K don't need to use NetBIOS to network with each
other -- they can do it using SMB. However, NetBIOS is necessary if
there are any Win NT or 9x clients on the network.

XP's default NetBIOS setting is "Use NetBIOS setting from the DHCP
server." I don't think that it's XP's fault if the DHCP server
provides the wrong setting. However, that's such a common problem,
especially with home broadband routers, that I recommend always
specifying "Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP" in XP.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

thanks for the reply.
the card + cable works perfectly on any other pc.
it's definately a problem with the win98se install.

i'll have a look at your leads. thanks again.

A.

>-----Original Message-----
>In article <065c01c3fadb$6827b380
$(E-Mail Removed)>, "greyhair"
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>i am trying to get win98 to pull an ip from a 172er DHCP
>>server (xdsl modem). the win98 pc is getting 169er IPs
>>whereas the rest correctly get 10.x.x.x ips
>>
>>I tried all sorts of registry hacks and even deleted the
>>DHCPInfo00 and reinstalled the network etc etc
>>still it will not connect to the 172er DHCP server
>>win98 in autoconfig always sets dhcp server to
>>255.255.255.255 and if i switch it off it's 0.0.0.0 and
>>even if i set it manually ti what it is supposed to be
and
>>set a manual ip in the 10.x.x.x. range the win98 pc will
>>not be able to connect to any network pc nor is it
visible
>>for others.
>>
>>notebook with xircom 10/100 pcmica card.
>>
>>slightly amused to read how the dhcp auto config is
>>supposed to make it easier for the user to handle small
>>LANs.. heh, only if all pcs are use win98 or what?
>
>Since the card won't work with a manual IP address,
either, I don't
>think that the problem has anything to do with DHCP.
>
>It's possible that the network card or cabling is
defective. For more
>possible solutions, please see:
>
>Windows XP Network Troubleshooting - Problems with
Network Cards
>http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...troubleshoot/n
etworkcard.htm
>
>>also I noticed that when using xp and win2k in the same
>>network the "default netbios" setting in xp does not
work
>>at all and does not switch to "eanble netbios over
tcp/ip"
>>if all else fails. the only way to properly populate the
>>network when using mixed M$ Oses is to switch off
>>that "default" feature in xp and set it to "use netbios"
>>otherwise win2k PCs will not be known to the xp machine
>>and traffic (email etc) will not be possible if the xp
>>machine is set as gateway. I witnessed this behavior
back
>>when xp was introduced and assumed it has been reciftied
>>by now, to my utter amazement it has not.
>>
>>if anyone has hints tips for the win98 issue i'd be
>>grateful if nto i'll just dump the relevant data onto a
>>ZIP disk and format the darn thing.
>>
>>a.
>
>Actually, XP and Win2K don't need to use NetBIOS to
network with each
>other -- they can do it using SMB. However, NetBIOS is
necessary if
>there are any Win NT or 9x clients on the network.
>
>XP's default NetBIOS setting is "Use NetBIOS setting from
the DHCP
>server." I don't think that it's XP's fault if the DHCP
server
>provides the wrong setting. However, that's such a
common problem,
>especially with home broadband routers, that I recommend
always
>specifying "Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP" in XP.
>--
>Best Wishes,
>Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
>Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news
group
>for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer
questions
>addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
>Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
>http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
>Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
>http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm
>.
>

Start from here -- if a machine using a DHCP client gets an address starting
with 169, then the machine cannot here the DHCP box.

Primary step -- make sure the DHCP server has a big enough scope or block of
addresses without too many reservations. And make sure that there isn't a
router in between your clients and the DHCP server. There should not be
more than 4 switches, hubs, repeaters, bridges between the client and the
DHCP server. The DHCP server itself should be pingable from all points of
the network

1st step is to get rid of all those hacks and get the registry back to
normal -- delete and reinstall your client, nic, and protocol. By default
it should be ready and listening for a DHCP server. Do not connect the
network cable at this time.

Since you're running win98, a xircom, and a laptop, make sure you have the
most current drivers for the card and BIOS for the laptop. You may have an
issue with the laptop not being able to run a type 3 or realbus card (you
didn't specify the model of the laptop or the card, so I'm guessing) On
installation, look for driver or resource conficts in Device Manager. Turn
off Wake on LAN and other ACPI garbage.

Run Winipcfg. COnfirm that you get a valid MAC address and that some sort
of IP address is set. Chances are, it will be a 169 addrress. If you get
anything else, you've got a problem. Ping 127.0.0.1 and see if you get a
reply. If you do, good -- if not, you have a problem.

Connect the network cable and note the connection link and data lights on
both ends. Confirm on both ends that the connection type is 10Mbps/half
duplex (you can adjust upwards later if everything goes right) Hit the
release and refresh buttons in winipcfg. Check to see if you're getting
the desired IP. If not, override the DHCP client by manually inputting your
scope parameter is with an unused address. Attempt to ping again.

BTW, that netbios stuff on 2k and xp -- designed totally for handling on a
different type of network than what you are building. I wouldn't worry
about it.


"greyhair" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:065c01c3fadb$6827b380$(E-Mail Removed)...
> i am trying to get win98 to pull an ip from a 172er DHCP
> server (xdsl modem). the win98 pc is getting 169er IPs
> whereas the rest correctly get 10.x.x.x ips
>
> I tried all sorts of registry hacks and even deleted the
> DHCPInfo00 and reinstalled the network etc etc
> still it will not connect to the 172er DHCP server
> win98 in autoconfig always sets dhcp server to
> 255.255.255.255 and if i switch it off it's 0.0.0.0 and
> even if i set it manually ti what it is supposed to be and
> set a manual ip in the 10.x.x.x. range the win98 pc will
> not be able to connect to any network pc nor is it visible
> for others.
>
> notebook with xircom 10/100 pcmica card.
>
> slightly amused to read how the dhcp auto config is
> supposed to make it easier for the user to handle small
> LANs.. heh, only if all pcs are use win98 or what?
>
> also I noticed that when using xp and win2k in the same
> network the "default netbios" setting in xp does not work
> at all and does not switch to "eanble netbios over tcp/ip"
> if all else fails. the only way to properly populate the
> network when using mixed M$ Oses is to switch off
> that "default" feature in xp and set it to "use netbios"
> otherwise win2k PCs will not be known to the xp machine
> and traffic (email etc) will not be possible if the xp
> machine is set as gateway. I witnessed this behavior back
> when xp was introduced and assumed it has been reciftied
> by now, to my utter amazement it has not.
>
> if anyone has hints tips for the win98 issue i'd be
> grateful if nto i'll just dump the relevant data onto a
> ZIP disk and format the darn thing.
>
> a.