Win98 box has spotty access to web when going directly thru wireless router

I'm trying to get my Win98 FE box running with full Web access through
my wireless router without using Proxy+. The goal is to make it so
that the server doesn't have to be logged in as Administrator for the
PC to use the Web. Other machines are set up without IE pointing to
the Proxy+ IP address and they get on the Internet just fine.

But it seems that the PC can only connect "fully" to the Web when it's
using the Proxy server and the Administrator is logged in. If I try
to configure IE to not point to the Proxy server, it only wants to
load some web sites and not others. At other times, it will get a few
pages deep and then refuse to load more pages. For example, I can get
to and log into mail.yahoo.com, but clicking the Inbox link results in
a "Cannot find server" message.

The vendor of the wireless router (D-Link DI-614+) recommends that I
lower the default MTU setting on the router by 10 successively until
the problem is resolved. The default was at 1500, now it's at 1300,
but still no dice.

I have:
================================================== ===========
Proxy+ free version 3.00 (Build #232)
================================================== ===========
Server - WinXP Pro, running ICS, Proxy+, ZoneAlarm (latest), McAfee
(latest)
Configuration:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : roblaptop
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : attbi.com
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link AirPlus DWL-650+
Wireless

Cardbus Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-05-B1-42-1D
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 01, 2004
7:41:35 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 08, 2004
7:41:35 PM

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x
Family Fast

Ethernet NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-90-F5-0D-21-A7

================================================== ====================
PC - Windows 98 First Edition, all patches, McAfee (latest), trusted
by ZA
Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : SHANNON.attbi.comDEST
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

0 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : D-Link AIRPLUS Wireless LAN Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-40-05-B3-73-73
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.103
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 31 04 7:01:08 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 04 07 04 7:01:08 PM

1 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

2 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

Please help! Thanks!

from looking at what your claiming your setup is, there are many
possabilities here. the first obvios one is the router and the windows ICS.
if both are activly running then there might be a dhcp conflict that will in
essence bring your network to a halt. also running a proxy on top of that
just complicates things.

what you need to do is either disable the dhcp "server" in the router or
turn the windows ICS off then see if your internet is stable. there should
be firewall like feature inside the router that will achive almost
everythign the proxy serve will do. so i would consider if you even need a
proxy server in the first place. next if you want to change the max mtu size
of the router then i would sugest finding the values of the computers and
then setting it to a size lower then the lowest one. this should stop all
the intermitend disocnects. but your problems useing the proxy service (not
as administrator) is more likley to be user asighned rights now allowing
secure conections or somthign simular ( like loging into a secure site).

you can google for max mtu and find several apps that will tell you what
the maxmtu is. also you can find the setings in the registry but they are
kinda cryptic and would take more time explaining then i care to indulge.
(you can also find out all about them in the same google search) of course
on the windows machines you are more interested in the max recive side.


typically i would set a network like your up with the router taking the wan
access and the one wired computer going directly from the DI-614's built in
4 port hub and then the wirless computer can just access it. this leaves out
the ICS and the proxy. Dlink has better documents from thier website
describing howto secure the router and make adjustment to it.



"Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> I'm trying to get my Win98 FE box running with full Web access through
> my wireless router without using Proxy+. The goal is to make it so
> that the server doesn't have to be logged in as Administrator for the
> PC to use the Web. Other machines are set up without IE pointing to
> the Proxy+ IP address and they get on the Internet just fine.
>
> But it seems that the PC can only connect "fully" to the Web when it's
> using the Proxy server and the Administrator is logged in. If I try
> to configure IE to not point to the Proxy server, it only wants to
> load some web sites and not others. At other times, it will get a few
> pages deep and then refuse to load more pages. For example, I can get
> to and log into mail.yahoo.com, but clicking the Inbox link results in
> a "Cannot find server" message.
>
> The vendor of the wireless router (D-Link DI-614+) recommends that I
> lower the default MTU setting on the router by 10 successively until
> the problem is resolved. The default was at 1500, now it's at 1300,
> but still no dice.
>
> I have:
> ================================================== ===========
> Proxy+ free version 3.00 (Build #232)
> ================================================== ===========
> Server - WinXP Pro, running ICS, Proxy+, ZoneAlarm (latest), McAfee
> (latest)
> Configuration:
> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
> Windows IP Configuration
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : roblaptop
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>
> Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : attbi.com
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link AirPlus DWL-650+
> Wireless
>
> Cardbus Adapter
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-05-B1-42-1D
> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 01, 2004
> 7:41:35 PM
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 08, 2004
> 7:41:35 PM
>
> Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x
> Family Fast
>
> Ethernet NIC
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-90-F5-0D-21-A7
>
> ================================================== ====================
> PC - Windows 98 First Edition, all patches, McAfee (latest), trusted
> by ZA
> Windows 98 IP Configuration
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . : SHANNON.attbi.comDEST
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
> NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No
>
> 0 Ethernet adapter :
>
> Description . . . . . . . . : D-Link AIRPLUS Wireless LAN Adapter
> Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-40-05-B3-73-73
> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.103
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 31 04 7:01:08 PM
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 04 07 04 7:01:08 PM
>
> 1 Ethernet adapter :
>
> Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
> Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . :
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
>
> 2 Ethernet adapter :
>
> Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
> Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-01
> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . :
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
>
> Please help! Thanks!

Thanks. I'll try searching as you have suggested. I lowered the MTU
on the router to its absolute minimum (200) to no avail. There don't
appear to be any ways to adjust the MTU from the point of view of the
Win98 machine.

I'm pretty sure the issue isn't with ICS since the win98 box _can_
browse some sites without ICS (and, indeed, the entire server) is
running.

"jazz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> from looking at what your claiming your setup is, there are many
> possabilities here. the first obvios one is the router and the windows ICS.
> if both are activly running then there might be a dhcp conflict that will in
> essence bring your network to a halt. also running a proxy on top of that
> just complicates things.
>
> what you need to do is either disable the dhcp "server" in the router or
> turn the windows ICS off then see if your internet is stable. there should
> be firewall like feature inside the router that will achive almost
> everythign the proxy serve will do. so i would consider if you even need a
> proxy server in the first place. next if you want to change the max mtu size
> of the router then i would sugest finding the values of the computers and
> then setting it to a size lower then the lowest one. this should stop all
> the intermitend disocnects. but your problems useing the proxy service (not
> as administrator) is more likley to be user asighned rights now allowing
> secure conections or somthign simular ( like loging into a secure site).
>
> you can google for max mtu and find several apps that will tell you what
> the maxmtu is. also you can find the setings in the registry but they are
> kinda cryptic and would take more time explaining then i care to indulge.
> (you can also find out all about them in the same google search) of course
> on the windows machines you are more interested in the max recive side.
>
>
> typically i would set a network like your up with the router taking the wan
> access and the one wired computer going directly from the DI-614's built in
> 4 port hub and then the wirless computer can just access it. this leaves out
> the ICS and the proxy. Dlink has better documents from thier website
> describing howto secure the router and make adjustment to it.
>
>
>
> "Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > I'm trying to get my Win98 FE box running with full Web access through
> > my wireless router without using Proxy+. The goal is to make it so
> > that the server doesn't have to be logged in as Administrator for the
> > PC to use the Web. Other machines are set up without IE pointing to
> > the Proxy+ IP address and they get on the Internet just fine.
> >
> > But it seems that the PC can only connect "fully" to the Web when it's
> > using the Proxy server and the Administrator is logged in. If I try
> > to configure IE to not point to the Proxy server, it only wants to
> > load some web sites and not others. At other times, it will get a few
> > pages deep and then refuse to load more pages. For example, I can get
> > to and log into mail.yahoo.com, but clicking the Inbox link results in
> > a "Cannot find server" message.
> >
> > The vendor of the wireless router (D-Link DI-614+) recommends that I
> > lower the default MTU setting on the router by 10 successively until
> > the problem is resolved. The default was at 1500, now it's at 1300,
> > but still no dice.
> >
> > I have:
> > ================================================== ===========
> > Proxy+ free version 3.00 (Build #232)
> > ================================================== ===========
> > Server - WinXP Pro, running ICS, Proxy+, ZoneAlarm (latest), McAfee
> > (latest)
> > Configuration:
> > Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
> > Windows IP Configuration
> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : roblaptop
> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >
> > Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : attbi.com
> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link AirPlus DWL-650+
> > Wireless
> >
> > Cardbus Adapter
> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-05-B1-42-1D
> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 01, 2004
> > 7:41:35 PM
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 08, 2004
> > 7:41:35 PM
> >
> > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> > Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x
> > Family Fast
> >
> > Ethernet NIC
> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-90-F5-0D-21-A7
> >
> > ================================================== ====================
> > PC - Windows 98 First Edition, all patches, McAfee (latest), trusted
> > by ZA
> > Windows 98 IP Configuration
> >
> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . : SHANNON.attbi.comDEST
> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> > NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
> > NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No
> >
> > 0 Ethernet adapter :
> >
> > Description . . . . . . . . : D-Link AIRPLUS Wireless LAN Adapter
> > Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-40-05-B3-73-73
> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.103
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 31 04 7:01:08 PM
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 04 07 04 7:01:08 PM
> >
> > 1 Ethernet adapter :
> >
> > Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
> > Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . :
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
> >
> > 2 Ethernet adapter :
> >
> > Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
> > Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-01
> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . :
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
> >
> > Please help! Thanks!

why don't you describe the setup in terms of what goes thru what. i have
been too many network gaming parties were they would use a router acting as
a dhcp server to asigh an ip adress and about ever 5 to 15 minute all access
would stop because some one pluged into the network using the same card the
use for sharing the internet at home. the fix is to either diable the ICS or
to plug him into the wan port that hid cable modem usually uses.

the proxy service will work even under the description described as above
basically because the computer is asking fro internet on a non standard
port. this will allow it to querry both conflicting setting and only get a
responce from the one with somethign open on that port. on the surface it
doesn't sound like anythign radicle but trust me it is when considering what
else is going on.

i guess i should ask if the one computer haviong problem is seing both the
router and the ICS enabled box. i mean is the network from it availible to
each thru it? Any ways try setting the maxmtu on the router back to normal,
disconect the XP ICS machine for a minute and see if it will gett access
fromthe router or vice versa. it should show you can get reliable access
from either. you c an turn the dhcp server off in the router setup if for
some unknown reason you need/want to run with the ICS (wich i think it
totaly uunessecay) the only way i know of that you can use both together is
to subnet the networks in that the use a different ip class or that they are
seperated by a wan access port. (the out of one goes into the wan of the
other making 2 sepera networks with the same or simular ipadress.)

oh yea plse describe how you are wanting to do the network too. like is it,
cable modem goes to winxp using ICS and wirles card goes from xp to wan port
on router and then wired to 98 machine? or would it be more like internet
goes to router then router sends to xp and xp send to 98 thru router?

i know it souds dificult but there has to be a reasonable explanation along
witha way to corect it. it is probally somethign minor too. somethign that
no one would ever thing would effect it.
good luck to you.

"Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> Thanks. I'll try searching as you have suggested. I lowered the MTU
> on the router to its absolute minimum (200) to no avail. There don't
> appear to be any ways to adjust the MTU from the point of view of the
> Win98 machine.
>
> I'm pretty sure the issue isn't with ICS since the win98 box _can_
> browse some sites without ICS (and, indeed, the entire server) is
> running.
>
> "jazz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> > from looking at what your claiming your setup is, there are many
> > possabilities here. the first obvios one is the router and the windows
ICS.
> > if both are activly running then there might be a dhcp conflict that
will in
> > essence bring your network to a halt. also running a proxy on top of
that
> > just complicates things.
> >
> > what you need to do is either disable the dhcp "server" in the router or
> > turn the windows ICS off then see if your internet is stable. there
should
> > be firewall like feature inside the router that will achive almost
> > everythign the proxy serve will do. so i would consider if you even need
a
> > proxy server in the first place. next if you want to change the max mtu
size
> > of the router then i would sugest finding the values of the computers
and
> > then setting it to a size lower then the lowest one. this should stop
all
> > the intermitend disocnects. but your problems useing the proxy service
(not
> > as administrator) is more likley to be user asighned rights now allowing
> > secure conections or somthign simular ( like loging into a secure site).
> >
> > you can google for max mtu and find several apps that will tell you
what
> > the maxmtu is. also you can find the setings in the registry but they
are
> > kinda cryptic and would take more time explaining then i care to
indulge.
> > (you can also find out all about them in the same google search) of
course
> > on the windows machines you are more interested in the max recive side.
> >
> >
> > typically i would set a network like your up with the router taking the
wan
> > access and the one wired computer going directly from the DI-614's built
in
> > 4 port hub and then the wirless computer can just access it. this leaves
out
> > the ICS and the proxy. Dlink has better documents from thier website
> > describing howto secure the router and make adjustment to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > > I'm trying to get my Win98 FE box running with full Web access through
> > > my wireless router without using Proxy+. The goal is to make it so
> > > that the server doesn't have to be logged in as Administrator for the
> > > PC to use the Web. Other machines are set up without IE pointing to
> > > the Proxy+ IP address and they get on the Internet just fine.
> > >
> > > But it seems that the PC can only connect "fully" to the Web when it's
> > > using the Proxy server and the Administrator is logged in. If I try
> > > to configure IE to not point to the Proxy server, it only wants to
> > > load some web sites and not others. At other times, it will get a few
> > > pages deep and then refuse to load more pages. For example, I can get
> > > to and log into mail.yahoo.com, but clicking the Inbox link results in
> > > a "Cannot find server" message.
> > >
> > > The vendor of the wireless router (D-Link DI-614+) recommends that I
> > > lower the default MTU setting on the router by 10 successively until
> > > the problem is resolved. The default was at 1500, now it's at 1300,
> > > but still no dice.
> > >
> > > I have:
> > > ================================================== ===========
> > > Proxy+ free version 3.00 (Build #232)
> > > ================================================== ===========
> > > Server - WinXP Pro, running ICS, Proxy+, ZoneAlarm (latest), McAfee
> > > (latest)
> > > Configuration:
> > > Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
> > > Windows IP Configuration
> > > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : roblaptop
> > > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> > > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> > > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > >
> > > Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
> > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : attbi.com
> > > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link AirPlus DWL-650+
> > > Wireless
> > >
> > > Cardbus Adapter
> > > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-05-B1-42-1D
> > > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
> > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 01, 2004
> > > 7:41:35 PM
> > > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 08, 2004
> > > 7:41:35 PM
> > >
> > > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> > > Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
> > > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x
> > > Family Fast
> > >
> > > Ethernet NIC
> > > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-90-F5-0D-21-A7
> > >
> > > ================================================== ====================
> > > PC - Windows 98 First Edition, all patches, McAfee (latest), trusted
> > > by ZA
> > > Windows 98 IP Configuration
> > >
> > > Host Name . . . . . . . . . : SHANNON.attbi.comDEST
> > > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > > Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> > > NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
> > > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
> > > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
> > > NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No
> > >
> > > 0 Ethernet adapter :
> > >
> > > Description . . . . . . . . : D-Link AIRPLUS Wireless LAN Adapter
> > > Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-40-05-B3-73-73
> > > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.103
> > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > > Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 31 04 7:01:08 PM
> > > Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 04 07 04 7:01:08 PM
> > >
> > > 1 Ethernet adapter :
> > >
> > > Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
> > > Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
> > > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > > Default Gateway . . . . . . :
> > > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> > > Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
> > >
> > > 2 Ethernet adapter :
> > >
> > > Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
> > > Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-01
> > > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > > Default Gateway . . . . . . :
> > > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> > > Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
> > >
> > > Please help! Thanks!

> why don't you describe the setup in terms of what goes thru what.

It's pretty standard. I have the router set up as a hub serving IP
addresses via DHCP to a Win98 FE box with a wireless network card
(enabled and working) and a regular ethernet card (disabled), a Win XP
Pro box with a wireless network card (enabled and working) and a
regular ethernet card (enabled and working), and a Win XP Pro laptop
with a wireless PCMCIA card. The cable modem (Comcast) is plugged
into the WAN port of the router and the Win XP Pro box is connected to
the router wirelessly as well as via the 10baseT ethernet cable to its
regular network card.

> i guess i should ask if the one computer haviong problem is seing both the
> router and the ICS enabled box.

The Win98 FE box can see (ping, tracert, and connect to shares on)
both the router and the ICS enabled box just fine. It can also see
the laptop without any problems.

> Any ways try setting the maxmtu on the router back to normal,

Did that.

> disconect the XP ICS machine for a minute and see if it will gett access
> fromthe router or vice versa. it should show you can get reliable access
> from either.

It does get access from the router and vice versa.

> oh yea plse describe how you are wanting to do the network too. like is it,
> cable modem goes to winxp using ICS and wirles card goes from xp to wan port
> on router and then wired to 98 machine? or would it be more like internet
> goes to router then router sends to xp and xp send to 98 thru router?

Right. The idea I'm working towards is to have ICS completely
disabled but with all computers still able to connect via the wireless
router _only_ (so that it doesn't matter that the Win XP Pro box is
turned off).

> i know it souds dificult but there has to be a reasonable explanation along
> witha way to corect it. it is probally somethign minor too. somethign that
> no one would ever thing would effect it.

The vendor (D-Link) is currently telling me that since lowering the
MTU setting didn't work, to try lowering the fragmentation by
incraments of 100 for the wireless connection. Haven't gotten a
chance to try that yet, but will update here on whether it worked.

Thanks!

"Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > why don't you describe the setup in terms of what goes thru what.
>
> It's pretty standard. I have the router set up as a hub serving IP
> addresses via DHCP to a Win98 FE box with a wireless network card
> (enabled and working) and a regular ethernet card (disabled), a Win XP
> Pro box with a wireless network card (enabled and working) and a
> regular ethernet card (enabled and working), and a Win XP Pro laptop
> with a wireless PCMCIA card. The cable modem (Comcast) is plugged
> into the WAN port of the router and the Win XP Pro box is connected to
> the router wirelessly as well as via the 10baseT ethernet cable to its
> regular network card.
>
> > i guess i should ask if the one computer haviong problem is seing both
the
> > router and the ICS enabled box.
>
> The Win98 FE box can see (ping, tracert, and connect to shares on)
> both the router and the ICS enabled box just fine. It can also see
> the laptop without any problems.
>

ok, i think we might be getting our wires crossed with the ICS.
are you running ics on the microsoft computers as well as using the router
to distribute internet access?

if the wireless router is giving an ip adress and sending internet
information then non of the microsoft computers should be sharing the
internet access. ics on the microsoft computers will cause the dhcp to
reasign ip values that effect the internet access and fight with the router
when it rebroadcasts it.

> > Any ways try setting the maxmtu on the router back to normal,
>
> Did that.
>
> > disconect the XP ICS machine for a minute and see if it will gett access
> > fromthe router or vice versa. it should show you can get reliable access
> > from either.
>
> It does get access from the router and vice versa.

that should be the way you want it but without any internet sharing enabled
on the microsoft computers.]

>
> > oh yea plse describe how you are wanting to do the network too. like is
it,
> > cable modem goes to winxp using ICS and wirles card goes from xp to wan
port
> > on router and then wired to 98 machine? or would it be more like
internet
> > goes to router then router sends to xp and xp send to 98 thru router?
>
> Right. The idea I'm working towards is to have ICS completely
> disabled but with all computers still able to connect via the wireless
> router _only_ (so that it doesn't matter that the Win XP Pro box is
> turned off).

just go ahead and disable them. this is most likly were the problem is. i've
seen it hundreds of times at lan parties and such.


> > i know it souds dificult but there has to be a reasonable explanation
along
> > witha way to corect it. it is probally somethign minor too. somethign
that
> > no one would ever thing would effect it.
>
> The vendor (D-Link) is currently telling me that since lowering the
> MTU setting didn't work, to try lowering the fragmentation by
> incraments of 100 for the wireless connection. Haven't gotten a
> chance to try that yet, but will update here on whether it worked.
>
> Thanks!

ewww... i should have read that before sending it.

basically if your running the microsoft ICS as well as letting the router
asighn the ip adress and giving internet access then, there is the problem.
Uninstall the ics on the windows computers (not disable because that won't
turn off the built in dhcp server). what happens is the router asighns the
ip adress and stuff then the windows ics tryed to change it all. it then
either confuses the client or causes a packet storm and flods certain parts
of the network with packets tryign. either way it is most likly your
problem. i have seen this so many times at lan parties that it
isn't funny. Everytime someone with thier internet conection sharing turned
on conects you get about 15 minute of everyting working fine then everything
goes down. After about 10 minutes of that the network comes and goes of and
on every couple of minuntes. sometime the windows xp/2000 computers don't
notice the problems but the windows 9x sure do.


"jazz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:OM$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > > why don't you describe the setup in terms of what goes thru what.
> >
> > It's pretty standard. I have the router set up as a hub serving IP
> > addresses via DHCP to a Win98 FE box with a wireless network card
> > (enabled and working) and a regular ethernet card (disabled), a Win XP
> > Pro box with a wireless network card (enabled and working) and a
> > regular ethernet card (enabled and working), and a Win XP Pro laptop
> > with a wireless PCMCIA card. The cable modem (Comcast) is plugged
> > into the WAN port of the router and the Win XP Pro box is connected to
> > the router wirelessly as well as via the 10baseT ethernet cable to its
> > regular network card.
> >
> > > i guess i should ask if the one computer haviong problem is seing both
> the
> > > router and the ICS enabled box.
> >
> > The Win98 FE box can see (ping, tracert, and connect to shares on)
> > both the router and the ICS enabled box just fine. It can also see
> > the laptop without any problems.
> >
>
> ok, i think we might be getting our wires crossed with the ICS.
> are you running ics on the microsoft computers as well as using the router
> to distribute internet access?
>
> if the wireless router is giving an ip adress and sending internet
> information then non of the microsoft computers should be sharing the
> internet access. ics on the microsoft computers will cause the dhcp to
> reasign ip values that effect the internet access and fight with the
router
> when it rebroadcasts it.
>
> > > Any ways try setting the maxmtu on the router back to normal,
> >
> > Did that.
> >
> > > disconect the XP ICS machine for a minute and see if it will gett
access
> > > fromthe router or vice versa. it should show you can get reliable
access
> > > from either.
> >
> > It does get access from the router and vice versa.
>
> that should be the way you want it but without any internet sharing
enabled
> on the microsoft computers.]
>
> >
> > > oh yea plse describe how you are wanting to do the network too. like
is
> it,
> > > cable modem goes to winxp using ICS and wirles card goes from xp to
wan
> port
> > > on router and then wired to 98 machine? or would it be more like
> internet
> > > goes to router then router sends to xp and xp send to 98 thru router?
> >
> > Right. The idea I'm working towards is to have ICS completely
> > disabled but with all computers still able to connect via the wireless
> > router _only_ (so that it doesn't matter that the Win XP Pro box is
> > turned off).
>
> just go ahead and disable them. this is most likly were the problem is.
i've
> seen it hundreds of times at lan parties and such.
>
>
> > > i know it souds dificult but there has to be a reasonable explanation
> along
> > > witha way to corect it. it is probally somethign minor too. somethign
> that
> > > no one would ever thing would effect it.
> >
> > The vendor (D-Link) is currently telling me that since lowering the
> > MTU setting didn't work, to try lowering the fragmentation by
> > incraments of 100 for the wireless connection. Haven't gotten a
> > chance to try that yet, but will update here on whether it worked.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
>

To: Rob,
( How you can say your probems was not occurred/caused by ICS's matter?)

At any cost, I would set off ICS of WinXP ( You mentioned that your WinXP's
ICS is set on!) as "jazz"mentioned.
( This is very crutial/critical, even you could ocationally
work with ICS, but you do have two DHCPs,
how can you control two DHCPs by yourself?)

After this issue, still there are some problems , then
it might become clearer...
Good Luck!







"jazz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> from looking at what your claiming your setup is, there are many
> possabilities here. the first obvios one is the router and the windows
ICS.
> if both are activly running then there might be a dhcp conflict that will
in
> essence bring your network to a halt. also running a proxy on top of that
> just complicates things.
>
> what you need to do is either disable the dhcp "server" in the router or
> turn the windows ICS off then see if your internet is stable. there should
> be firewall like feature inside the router that will achive almost
> everythign the proxy serve will do. so i would consider if you even need a
> proxy server in the first place. next if you want to change the max mtu
size
> of the router then i would sugest finding the values of the computers and
> then setting it to a size lower then the lowest one. this should stop all
> the intermitend disocnects. but your problems useing the proxy service
(not
> as administrator) is more likley to be user asighned rights now allowing
> secure conections or somthign simular ( like loging into a secure site).
>
> you can google for max mtu and find several apps that will tell you what
> the maxmtu is. also you can find the setings in the registry but they are
> kinda cryptic and would take more time explaining then i care to indulge.
> (you can also find out all about them in the same google search) of course
> on the windows machines you are more interested in the max recive side.
>
>
> typically i would set a network like your up with the router taking the
wan
> access and the one wired computer going directly from the DI-614's built
in
> 4 port hub and then the wirless computer can just access it. this leaves
out
> the ICS and the proxy. Dlink has better documents from thier website
> describing howto secure the router and make adjustment to it.
>
>
>
> "Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > I'm trying to get my Win98 FE box running with full Web access through
> > my wireless router without using Proxy+. The goal is to make it so
> > that the server doesn't have to be logged in as Administrator for the
> > PC to use the Web. Other machines are set up without IE pointing to
> > the Proxy+ IP address and they get on the Internet just fine.
> >
> > But it seems that the PC can only connect "fully" to the Web when it's
> > using the Proxy server and the Administrator is logged in. If I try
> > to configure IE to not point to the Proxy server, it only wants to
> > load some web sites and not others. At other times, it will get a few
> > pages deep and then refuse to load more pages. For example, I can get
> > to and log into mail.yahoo.com, but clicking the Inbox link results in
> > a "Cannot find server" message.
> >
> > The vendor of the wireless router (D-Link DI-614+) recommends that I
> > lower the default MTU setting on the router by 10 successively until
> > the problem is resolved. The default was at 1500, now it's at 1300,
> > but still no dice.
> >
> > I have:
> > ================================================== ===========
> > Proxy+ free version 3.00 (Build #232)
> > ================================================== ===========
> > Server - WinXP Pro, running ICS, Proxy+, ZoneAlarm (latest), McAfee
> > (latest)
> > Configuration:
> > Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
> > Windows IP Configuration
> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : roblaptop
> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >
> > Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : attbi.com
> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link AirPlus DWL-650+
> > Wireless
> >
> > Cardbus Adapter
> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-05-B1-42-1D
> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 01, 2004
> > 7:41:35 PM
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, April 08, 2004
> > 7:41:35 PM
> >
> > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> > Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x
> > Family Fast
> >
> > Ethernet NIC
> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-90-F5-0D-21-A7
> >
> > ================================================== ====================
> > PC - Windows 98 First Edition, all patches, McAfee (latest), trusted
> > by ZA
> > Windows 98 IP Configuration
> >
> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . : SHANNON.attbi.comDEST
> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> > NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
> > NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No
> >
> > 0 Ethernet adapter :
> >
> > Description . . . . . . . . : D-Link AIRPLUS Wireless LAN Adapter
> > Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-40-05-B3-73-73
> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.103
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 31 04 7:01:08 PM
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 04 07 04 7:01:08 PM
> >
> > 1 Ethernet adapter :
> >
> > Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
> > Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . :
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
> >
> > 2 Ethernet adapter :
> >
> > Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
> > Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-01
> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . :
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > Primary WINS Server . . . . :
> > Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
> >
> > Please help! Thanks!
>
>

Okay, I finally found a solution. But to begin, I did check and I
guess I had disabled ICS on the Win XP Pro box earlier and just didn't
remember. It definitely wasn't running there. Even though I could
find no setting within Control Panel for ICS, I made a point of
"disabling" it (if it was ever running) on the Win98 box as well by
running ics.adm within System Policy Editor (all of which I had to
install from the CD). Once that was out of the way, I shut off
everything in the startup on the Win98 box using msconfig to reboot
with a clean slate. Sure enough, upon reboot, the Win98 box could get
into every page it found without the Win XP Pro box being turned on.
Must have been Dueling DHCP processes that was knocking it off the
network.

Thanks!

"jazz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> ewww... i should have read that before sending it.
>
> basically if your running the microsoft ICS as well as letting the router
> asighn the ip adress and giving internet access then, there is the problem.
> Uninstall the ics on the windows computers (not disable because that won't
> turn off the built in dhcp server). what happens is the router asighns the
> ip adress and stuff then the windows ics tryed to change it all. it then
> either confuses the client or causes a packet storm and flods certain parts
> of the network with packets tryign. either way it is most likly your
> problem. i have seen this so many times at lan parties that it
> isn't funny. Everytime someone with thier internet conection sharing turned
> on conects you get about 15 minute of everyting working fine then everything
> goes down. After about 10 minutes of that the network comes and goes of and
> on every couple of minuntes. sometime the windows xp/2000 computers don't
> notice the problems but the windows 9x sure do.
>
>
> "jazz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:OM$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > "Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > > > why don't you describe the setup in terms of what goes thru what.
> > >
> > > It's pretty standard. I have the router set up as a hub serving IP
> > > addresses via DHCP to a Win98 FE box with a wireless network card
> > > (enabled and working) and a regular ethernet card (disabled), a Win XP
> > > Pro box with a wireless network card (enabled and working) and a
> > > regular ethernet card (enabled and working), and a Win XP Pro laptop
> > > with a wireless PCMCIA card. The cable modem (Comcast) is plugged
> > > into the WAN port of the router and the Win XP Pro box is connected to
> > > the router wirelessly as well as via the 10baseT ethernet cable to its
> > > regular network card.
> > >
> > > > i guess i should ask if the one computer haviong problem is seing both
> the
> > > > router and the ICS enabled box.
> > >
> > > The Win98 FE box can see (ping, tracert, and connect to shares on)
> > > both the router and the ICS enabled box just fine. It can also see
> > > the laptop without any problems.
> > >
> >
> > ok, i think we might be getting our wires crossed with the ICS.
> > are you running ics on the microsoft computers as well as using the router
> > to distribute internet access?
> >
> > if the wireless router is giving an ip adress and sending internet
> > information then non of the microsoft computers should be sharing the
> > internet access. ics on the microsoft computers will cause the dhcp to
> > reasign ip values that effect the internet access and fight with the
> router
> > when it rebroadcasts it.
> >
> > > > Any ways try setting the maxmtu on the router back to normal,
> > >
> > > Did that.
> > >
> > > > disconect the XP ICS machine for a minute and see if it will gett
> access
> > > > fromthe router or vice versa. it should show you can get reliable
> access
> > > > from either.
> > >
> > > It does get access from the router and vice versa.
> >
> > that should be the way you want it but without any internet sharing
> enabled
> > on the microsoft computers.]
> >
> > >
> > > > oh yea plse describe how you are wanting to do the network too. like
> is
> it,
> > > > cable modem goes to winxp using ICS and wirles card goes from xp to
> wan
> port
> > > > on router and then wired to 98 machine? or would it be more like
> internet
> > > > goes to router then router sends to xp and xp send to 98 thru router?
> > >
> > > Right. The idea I'm working towards is to have ICS completely
> > > disabled but with all computers still able to connect via the wireless
> > > router _only_ (so that it doesn't matter that the Win XP Pro box is
> > > turned off).
> >
> > just go ahead and disable them. this is most likly were the problem is.
> i've
> > seen it hundreds of times at lan parties and such.
> >
> >
> > > > i know it souds dificult but there has to be a reasonable explanation
> along
> > > > witha way to corect it. it is probally somethign minor too. somethign
> that
> > > > no one would ever thing would effect it.
> > >
> > > The vendor (D-Link) is currently telling me that since lowering the
> > > MTU setting didn't work, to try lowering the fragmentation by
> > > incraments of 100 for the wireless connection. Haven't gotten a
> > > chance to try that yet, but will update here on whether it worked.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> >
> >

Once that ICS is installed it is a pain to get rid of. if it works and you
need it, the windows ICS isn't all that bad of a system. I prefer using a
linux box doing ip masquerading instead but a router is probally better.

Ayways I'm glad you finally got it worked out and going. If the dlink tecks
would have caught that the first time you called, it would have saved you
alot of time and frustration. Good luck with it in the future.


"Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) m...
> Okay, I finally found a solution. But to begin, I did check and I
> guess I had disabled ICS on the Win XP Pro box earlier and just didn't
> remember. It definitely wasn't running there. Even though I could
> find no setting within Control Panel for ICS, I made a point of
> "disabling" it (if it was ever running) on the Win98 box as well by
> running ics.adm within System Policy Editor (all of which I had to
> install from the CD). Once that was out of the way, I shut off
> everything in the startup on the Win98 box using msconfig to reboot
> with a clean slate. Sure enough, upon reboot, the Win98 box could get
> into every page it found without the Win XP Pro box being turned on.
> Must have been Dueling DHCP processes that was knocking it off the
> network.
>
> Thanks!
>
> "jazz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> > ewww... i should have read that before sending it.
> >
> > basically if your running the microsoft ICS as well as letting the
router
> > asighn the ip adress and giving internet access then, there is the
problem.
> > Uninstall the ics on the windows computers (not disable because that
won't
> > turn off the built in dhcp server). what happens is the router asighns
the
> > ip adress and stuff then the windows ics tryed to change it all. it then
> > either confuses the client or causes a packet storm and flods certain
parts
> > of the network with packets tryign. either way it is most likly your
> > problem. i have seen this so many times at lan parties
that it
> > isn't funny. Everytime someone with thier internet conection sharing
turned
> > on conects you get about 15 minute of everyting working fine then
everything
> > goes down. After about 10 minutes of that the network comes and goes of
and
> > on every couple of minuntes. sometime the windows xp/2000 computers
don't
> > notice the problems but the windows 9x sure do.
> >
> >
> > "jazz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:OM$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >
> > > "Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > > > > why don't you describe the setup in terms of what goes thru what.
> > > >
> > > > It's pretty standard. I have the router set up as a hub serving IP
> > > > addresses via DHCP to a Win98 FE box with a wireless network card
> > > > (enabled and working) and a regular ethernet card (disabled), a Win
XP
> > > > Pro box with a wireless network card (enabled and working) and a
> > > > regular ethernet card (enabled and working), and a Win XP Pro laptop
> > > > with a wireless PCMCIA card. The cable modem (Comcast) is plugged
> > > > into the WAN port of the router and the Win XP Pro box is connected
to
> > > > the router wirelessly as well as via the 10baseT ethernet cable to
its
> > > > regular network card.
> > > >
> > > > > i guess i should ask if the one computer haviong problem is seing
both
> > the
> > > > > router and the ICS enabled box.
> > > >
> > > > The Win98 FE box can see (ping, tracert, and connect to shares on)
> > > > both the router and the ICS enabled box just fine. It can also see
> > > > the laptop without any problems.
> > > >
> > >
> > > ok, i think we might be getting our wires crossed with the ICS.
> > > are you running ics on the microsoft computers as well as using the
router
> > > to distribute internet access?
> > >
> > > if the wireless router is giving an ip adress and sending internet
> > > information then non of the microsoft computers should be sharing the
> > > internet access. ics on the microsoft computers will cause the dhcp to
> > > reasign ip values that effect the internet access and fight with the
> > router
> > > when it rebroadcasts it.
> > >
> > > > > Any ways try setting the maxmtu on the router back to normal,
> > > >
> > > > Did that.
> > > >
> > > > > disconect the XP ICS machine for a minute and see if it will gett
> > access
> > > > > fromthe router or vice versa. it should show you can get reliable
> > access
> > > > > from either.
> > > >
> > > > It does get access from the router and vice versa.
> > >
> > > that should be the way you want it but without any internet sharing
> > enabled
> > > on the microsoft computers.]
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > oh yea plse describe how you are wanting to do the network too.
like
> > is
> > it,
> > > > > cable modem goes to winxp using ICS and wirles card goes from xp
to
> > wan
> > port
> > > > > on router and then wired to 98 machine? or would it be more like
> > internet
> > > > > goes to router then router sends to xp and xp send to 98 thru
router?
> > > >
> > > > Right. The idea I'm working towards is to have ICS completely
> > > > disabled but with all computers still able to connect via the
wireless
> > > > router _only_ (so that it doesn't matter that the Win XP Pro box is
> > > > turned off).
> > >
> > > just go ahead and disable them. this is most likly were the problem
is.
> > i've
> > > seen it hundreds of times at lan parties and such.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > i know it souds dificult but there has to be a reasonable
explanation
> > along
> > > > > witha way to corect it. it is probally somethign minor too.
somethign
> > that
> > > > > no one would ever thing would effect it.
> > > >
> > > > The vendor (D-Link) is currently telling me that since lowering the
> > > > MTU setting didn't work, to try lowering the fragmentation by
> > > > incraments of 100 for the wireless connection. Haven't gotten a
> > > > chance to try that yet, but will update here on whether it worked.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >