Wifi's on 2 Laptops don't detect each other even with netstumbler???

Getting ready for my first try at peer to peer on my 2 laptops, one older
and one brand new. Both with XP Pro. Thought that each wifi should be able
to see the other computer, even if not yet networked. Also have netstumbler
on both machines and it doesn't see the other computer's wifi.
Why not?

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Tom M
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Because neither laptop is "broadcasting" a signal. They are receivers,
just like desktops and servers. You should only pick up Routers and
Access Points with Net Stumbler.

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:41:33 GMT, "Tom M"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Getting ready for my first try at peer to peer on my 2 laptops, one older
>and one brand new. Both with XP Pro. Thought that each wifi should be able
>to see the other computer, even if not yet networked. Also have netstumbler
>on both machines and it doesn't see the other computer's wifi.
>Why not?

OK,thanks. But when I do hook them together, peer to peer, aren't they then
both transmitters and receivers? Will netstumbler as well as the wifi
themselves then be able to 'see' each other then?

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Tom M
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"f/f george" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Because neither laptop is "broadcasting" a signal. They are receivers,
> just like desktops and servers. You should only pick up Routers and
> Access Points with Net Stumbler.
>
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:41:33 GMT, "Tom M"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >Getting ready for my first try at peer to peer on my 2 laptops, one older
> >and one brand new. Both with XP Pro. Thought that each wifi should be
able
> >to see the other computer, even if not yet networked. Also have
netstumbler
> >on both machines and it doesn't see the other computer's wifi.
> >Why not?
>

"f/f george" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Because neither laptop is "broadcasting" a signal. They are receivers,
> just like desktops and servers. You should only pick up Routers and
> Access Points with Net Stumbler.
>
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:41:33 GMT, "Tom M"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Getting ready for my first try at peer to peer on my 2 laptops, one older
>>and one brand new. Both with XP Pro. Thought that each wifi should be
>>able
>>to see the other computer, even if not yet networked. Also have
>>netstumbler
>>on both machines and it doesn't see the other computer's wifi.
>>Why not?

Actually that is not true. You can create an "ad hoc" network on one laptop.
That laptop WILL broadcast, and your other laptop will be able to connect to
it. That's what I do at home, with Windows XP Pro SP2.

Follow the steps on this microsoft publication to setup your ad hoc network:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

I hope this helps. Cheers!

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:36:39 GMT, "Bendit" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>"f/f george" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> Because neither laptop is "broadcasting" a signal. They are receivers,
>> just like desktops and servers. You should only pick up Routers and
>> Access Points with Net Stumbler.
>>
>> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:41:33 GMT, "Tom M"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>Getting ready for my first try at peer to peer on my 2 laptops, one older
>>>and one brand new. Both with XP Pro. Thought that each wifi should be
>>>able
>>>to see the other computer, even if not yet networked. Also have
>>>netstumbler
>>>on both machines and it doesn't see the other computer's wifi.
>>>Why not?
>
>Actually that is not true. You can create an "ad hoc" network on one laptop.
>That laptop WILL broadcast, and your other laptop will be able to connect to
>it. That's what I do at home, with Windows XP Pro SP2.
>
>Follow the steps on this microsoft publication to setup your ad hoc network:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
>
>I hope this helps. Cheers!
>
What you are saying is true but does not answer his original question
which said they were not networked.

Only if you do as the other poster said to do. You then in effect are
making one a router or AP.
Just networking then thru a cable or wirelessly so they see each other
thru a network, no Net Stumbler will not pick that up.

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:44:55 GMT, "Tom M"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>OK,thanks. But when I do hook them together, peer to peer, aren't they then
>both transmitters and receivers? Will netstumbler as well as the wifi
>themselves then be able to 'see' each other then?

I think you are over thinking the transmiting part, they are
transmitting but ONLY if they get a response from a Router or AP.
And then only to the Router or AP. Not a pure broadcast.
Otherwise it is so small a transmission it won't be detected.

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:44:55 GMT, "Tom M"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>OK,thanks. But when I do hook them together, peer to peer, aren't they then
>both transmitters and receivers? Will netstumbler as well as the wifi
>themselves then be able to 'see' each other then?

Thanks, guys.
I think I understand it better now. They will transmit, but only when
networked.

I also appreciate the link given. That MS document, which I just
downloaded but haven't read yet, implies something that I had been told
could not be done. And that is to have an ad-hoc network AND also share an
internet connection. I thought I would have to go the way of a router or
cat 5 crossover to network and connect both to internet. If this ad-hoc and
IC works, I'll be very happy.
Thanks again ;-)

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Tom M
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"Bendit" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "f/f george" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Because neither laptop is "broadcasting" a signal. They are receivers,
> > just like desktops and servers. You should only pick up Routers and
> > Access Points with Net Stumbler.
> >
> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:41:33 GMT, "Tom M"
> > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >>Getting ready for my first try at peer to peer on my 2 laptops, one
older
> >>and one brand new. Both with XP Pro. Thought that each wifi should be
> >>able
> >>to see the other computer, even if not yet networked. Also have
> >>netstumbler
> >>on both machines and it doesn't see the other computer's wifi.
> >>Why not?
>
> Actually that is not true. You can create an "ad hoc" network on one
laptop.
> That laptop WILL broadcast, and your other laptop will be able to connect
to
> it. That's what I do at home, with Windows XP Pro SP2.
>
> Follow the steps on this microsoft publication to setup your ad hoc
network:
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...08e-3762-4e78-
b372-8404eeb7f41a&displaylang=en
>
> I hope this helps. Cheers!
>
>

"Tom M" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Uritd.1047631$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks, guys.
> I think I understand it better now. They will transmit,
> but only when
> networked.
>
> I also appreciate the link given. That MS document,
> which I just
> downloaded but haven't read yet, implies something that I
> had been told
> could not be done. And that is to have an ad-hoc network
> AND also share an
> internet connection. I thought I would have to go the way
> of a router or
> cat 5 crossover to network and connect both to internet.
> If this ad-hoc and
> IC works, I'll be very happy.
> Thanks again ;-)


Please let the rest of us know if it does work. TIA

The Amazing Seismo

"Tom M" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Uritd.1047631$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks, guys.
> I think I understand it better now. They will transmit, but only when
> networked.
>
> I also appreciate the link given. That MS document, which I just
> downloaded but haven't read yet, implies something that I had been told
> could not be done. And that is to have an ad-hoc network AND also share
> an
> internet connection. I thought I would have to go the way of a router or
> cat 5 crossover to network and connect both to internet. If this ad-hoc
> and
> IC works, I'll be very happy.
> Thanks again ;-)
>
> --
> Tom M
> (To reply, remove *deletenospam* from my address)
> "Bendit" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:b26td.454702$wV.169176@attbi_s54...
>> "f/f george" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Because neither laptop is "broadcasting" a signal. They are receivers,
>> > just like desktops and servers. You should only pick up Routers and
>> > Access Points with Net Stumbler.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:41:33 GMT, "Tom M"
>> > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Getting ready for my first try at peer to peer on my 2 laptops, one
> older
>> >>and one brand new. Both with XP Pro. Thought that each wifi should be
>> >>able
>> >>to see the other computer, even if not yet networked. Also have
>> >>netstumbler
>> >>on both machines and it doesn't see the other computer's wifi.
>> >>Why not?
>>
>> Actually that is not true. You can create an "ad hoc" network on one
> laptop.
>> That laptop WILL broadcast, and your other laptop will be able to connect
> to
>> it. That's what I do at home, with Windows XP Pro SP2.
>>
>> Follow the steps on this microsoft publication to setup your ad hoc
> network:
>>
>>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...08e-3762-4e78-
> b372-8404eeb7f41a&displaylang=en
>>
>> I hope this helps. Cheers!
>>
>>

Tom, I am using an AD HOC network at home with 2 wireless cards. I am NOT
using a router or dedicated access point. I am also using ICS which works
fine. I can share my broaband internet connection through the AD HOC
network, that's the whole point! Also, I don't know why certain people are
saying that netstumbler will not pickup "small" transmissions. I can tell
you that your ad hoc network (the wireless card broadcasting as the host)
WILL SHOW UP ON NETSTUMBLER. It works fine with my equipment, and my
wireless network does show up on netstumbler, as if it was an access point
(there is no difference in the protocol between a broadcast from a dedicated
access point and a broadcast from an ad hoc network I think, and I you can
confirm that with netestumbler!). I hope this helps. Cheers!