WIFI Sharing Program

HI GUYS,

Im wanting to be able to manage my WIFI connection within my house - IE
Cutting a user off the letwork etc

IE Sons Laptop - I give him 10 minutes and he just hides offline on MSN etc

Can anyone recomend somthing

Mike

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:51:13 GMT, "known1" <@aapt.net.au> wrote in
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>Im wanting to be able to manage my WIFI connection within my house - IE
>Cutting a user off the letwork etc
>
>IE Sons Laptop - I give him 10 minutes and he just hides offline on MSN etc
>
>Can anyone recomend somthing

Get a 2nd wireless (access point) for your son, and just turn it off.
With WPA on your wireless, he won't be able to connect.
But he might still be able to leech from a neighbor.
Better to assert yourself as a parent rather than rely on technology.

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You router probably has within its firmware a way to control access times
based on MAC (my Linksys and Zyxel have this feature) You should be able to
set up a schedule that affects only specific PCs, iTouch, etc as defined by
you.

I do this at my house. I have a specific cutoff time on school nights and I
don't have to worry about it. If one of the kids is working a school
project that's running late and they need more time then I can temporarily
extend access. Works fine.


John Navas wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:51:13 GMT, "known1" <@aapt.net.au> wrote in
> <lkEXl.17644$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>> Im wanting to be able to manage my WIFI connection within my house -
>> IE Cutting a user off the letwork etc
>>
>> IE Sons Laptop - I give him 10 minutes and he just hides offline on
>> MSN etc
>>
>> Can anyone recomend somthing
>
> Get a 2nd wireless (access point) for your son, and just turn it off.
> With WPA on your wireless, he won't be able to connect.
> But he might still be able to leech from a neighbor.
> Better to assert yourself as a parent rather than rely on technology.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:38:26 -0400, "kermit" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>You router probably has within its firmware a way to control access times
>based on MAC (my Linksys and Zyxel have this feature) You should be able to
>set up a schedule that affects only specific PCs, iTouch, etc as defined by
>you.
>
>I do this at my house. I have a specific cutoff time on school nights and I
>don't have to worry about it. If one of the kids is working a school
>project that's running late and they need more time then I can temporarily
>extend access. Works fine.

It's not particularly hard to work around the MAC filtering, in case
you were wondering. I considered doing the same as you a few years
ago, but decided to leave the system open and just have a good chat
with the boy. I think it worked.

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:38:26 -0400, "kermit" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> You router probably has within its firmware a way to control access
>> times based on MAC (my Linksys and Zyxel have this feature) You
>> should be able to set up a schedule that affects only specific PCs,
>> iTouch, etc as defined by you.
>>
>> I do this at my house. I have a specific cutoff time on school
>> nights and I don't have to worry about it. If one of the kids is
>> working a school project that's running late and they need more time
>> then I can temporarily extend access. Works fine.
>
> It's not particularly hard to work around the MAC filtering, in case
> you were wondering. I considered doing the same as you a few years
> ago, but decided to leave the system open and just have a good chat
> with the boy. I think it worked.

Good for you.

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:38:26 -0400, "kermit" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> You router probably has within its firmware a way to control access
>> times based on MAC (my Linksys and Zyxel have this feature) You
>> should be able to set up a schedule that affects only specific PCs,
>> iTouch, etc as defined by you.
>>
>> I do this at my house. I have a specific cutoff time on school
>> nights and I don't have to worry about it. If one of the kids is
>> working a school project that's running late and they need more time
>> then I can temporarily extend access. Works fine.
>
> MAC filtering works easily, but is not very good security. There are
> common methods of spoofing MAC addresses available:
> <http://www.klcconsulting.net/Change_MAC_w2k.htm>
> I had one of the neighbors kids borrowing my internet connection via
> wireless. I eventually kicked him off after about five botnet
> infections and some massive Bitorrent uploads. He just couldn't keep
> his machine clean, so I blocked the MAC address of his laptop. It
> took him about a week to figure out what happened. ARPwatch then
> started seeing new MAC addresses every evening, which was getting
> tedious. So, I changed the WPA encryption key and didn't tell him.
> However, I wanted to see how swift he was, so I made the key a trivial
> dictionary word and waited. It took another week for him to crack it
> which I thought was rather impressive. About a month later, he got
> his own cable modem connection and is living somewhat happily ever
> after.

I wasn't speaking of MAC filtering as a security measure. I was talking
about the router's built-in scheduling/access ability which is based on MAC
addresses. Actually, spoofing your MAC to gain access to a network using
MAC filtering puts you subject to the access control based on MAC.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:15:13 -0400, "kermit" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:38:26 -0400, "kermit" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You router probably has within its firmware a way to control access
>>> times based on MAC (my Linksys and Zyxel have this feature) You
>>> should be able to set up a schedule that affects only specific PCs,
>>> iTouch, etc as defined by you.
>>>
>>> I do this at my house. I have a specific cutoff time on school
>>> nights and I don't have to worry about it. If one of the kids is
>>> working a school project that's running late and they need more time
>>> then I can temporarily extend access. Works fine.
>>
>> MAC filtering works easily, but is not very good security. There are
>> common methods of spoofing MAC addresses available:
>> <http://www.klcconsulting.net/Change_MAC_w2k.htm>
>> I had one of the neighbors kids borrowing my internet connection via
>> wireless. I eventually kicked him off after about five botnet
>> infections and some massive Bitorrent uploads. He just couldn't keep
>> his machine clean, so I blocked the MAC address of his laptop. It
>> took him about a week to figure out what happened. ARPwatch then
>> started seeing new MAC addresses every evening, which was getting
>> tedious. So, I changed the WPA encryption key and didn't tell him.
>> However, I wanted to see how swift he was, so I made the key a trivial
>> dictionary word and waited. It took another week for him to crack it
>> which I thought was rather impressive. About a month later, he got
>> his own cable modem connection and is living somewhat happily ever
>> after.
>
>I wasn't speaking of MAC filtering as a security measure. I was talking
>about the router's built-in scheduling/access ability which is based on MAC
>addresses. Actually, spoofing your MAC to gain access to a network using
>MAC filtering puts you subject to the access control based on MAC.

Only the honor system is weaker.

thanks so much kermit - thats exactly what im wanting to do - i use a
Telstra 2 wire modem wifi obviously - i really need to get this under
control any help would be appreciated

Known1
"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:51:13 GMT, "known1" <@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
>>Im wanting to be able to manage my WIFI connection within my house - IE
>>Cutting a user off the letwork etc
>>
>>IE Sons Laptop - I give him 10 minutes and he just hides offline on MSN
>>etc
>>
>>Can anyone recomend somthing
>
> Yeah, talk to the kid. It's easier than a technology war.
>
> If he's clueless, as others have suggested, MAC filtering in the
> router will do fine. However, realize that it's easy to spoof a
> different MAC address and bypass the blocking by MAC address.
>
> If your router has a CLI (command line interface), you can possibly
> create a rule set to allow the kid to use the wireless only at
> specific hours. If you're lazy, put an electric light timer on the
> router, and only have it powered on during specific hours. Of course,
> your hours of use will need to coincide with the kids. Two wireless
> devices will also do the same thing. Just turn off the one he has
> access to. The other one will have a complex WPA encryption key that
> the kid supposidly can't crack.
>
>

I'm not familiar with the Telstra 2. Log in to its Admin functions and you
should be able to find the access/scheduling sections. I can't guarantee
its part of the Telstra functionality but its pretty common and is found on
both my Linksys and Zyxel routers. The only trick is determining the MAC of
the computer(s) you want to control and using that MAC when you set up the
access schedule. No big deal really.

Top notch security? Of courese not but it works quite well for my family
and it should for your purposes as well. Always use the highest wireless
security you can, WPA2 in my case, and use a unique phrase not a dictionary
word.


known1 wrote:
> thanks so much kermit - thats exactly what im wanting to do - i use a
> Telstra 2 wire modem wifi obviously - i really need to get this under
> control any help would be appreciated
>
> Known1
> "Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:51:13 GMT, "known1" <@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Im wanting to be able to manage my WIFI connection within my house
>>> - IE Cutting a user off the letwork etc
>>>
>>> IE Sons Laptop - I give him 10 minutes and he just hides offline on
>>> MSN etc
>>>
>>> Can anyone recomend somthing
>>

I know the 2 wire modem wont support such thng - u can see who is using etc
but cant limit use - would u know of a program that i can use to do such a
thing and thank again for your help


Known1


"kermit" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:H2v_l.56684$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm not familiar with the Telstra 2. Log in to its Admin functions and
> you should be able to find the access/scheduling sections. I can't
> guarantee its part of the Telstra functionality but its pretty common and
> is found on both my Linksys and Zyxel routers. The only trick is
> determining the MAC of the computer(s) you want to control and using that
> MAC when you set up the access schedule. No big deal really.
>
> Top notch security? Of courese not but it works quite well for my family
> and it should for your purposes as well. Always use the highest wireless
> security you can, WPA2 in my case, and use a unique phrase not a
> dictionary word.
>
>
> known1 wrote:
>> thanks so much kermit - thats exactly what im wanting to do - i use a
>> Telstra 2 wire modem wifi obviously - i really need to get this under
>> control any help would be appreciated
>>
>> Known1
>> "Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:51:13 GMT, "known1" <@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Im wanting to be able to manage my WIFI connection within my house
>>>> - IE Cutting a user off the letwork etc
>>>>
>>>> IE Sons Laptop - I give him 10 minutes and he just hides offline on
>>>> MSN etc
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recomend somthing
>>>
>
>
>