wi-fi communities

Hi,

Looking at joining a community wi-fi sharing setup.

Have found FON, which requires you buy their hardware and Whistler which
doesn't seem to have many users in areas I am interested in. Are there
any others people know of &/or can recommend? Any caveats

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dave @ stejonda

On 25 Jul, 10:37, "dave @ stejonda" <no$spam!delete&abuse
%d...@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote:

> Looking at joining a community wi-fi sharing setup.
>
> Have found FON, which requires you buy their hardware and Whistler which
> doesn't seem to have many users in areas I am interested in. Are there
> any others people know of &/or can recommend? Any caveats

does your ISP permit sharing of your connection with 3rd parties ?

Phil

In message <(E-Mail Removed) om>, PhilT
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>On 25 Jul, 10:37, "dave @ stejonda" <no$spam!delete&abuse
>%d...@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> Looking at joining a community wi-fi sharing setup.
>>
>> Have found FON, which requires you buy their hardware and Whistler which
>> doesn't seem to have many users in areas I am interested in. Are there
>> any others people know of &/or can recommend? Any caveats
>
>does your ISP permit sharing of your connection with 3rd parties ?
>
My understanding is that they have no issue unless either usage via my
connection becomes excessive and other customers are affected or I am
reselling their bandwidth. Neither of these will apply.

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dave @ stejonda

dave @ stejonda wrote:
> In message <(E-Mail Removed) om>,
> PhilT <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>> On 25 Jul, 10:37, "dave @ stejonda" <no$spam!delete&abuse
>> %d...@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at joining a community wi-fi sharing setup.
>>>
>>> Have found FON, which requires you buy their hardware and
>>> Whistler which doesn't seem to have many users in areas I am
>>> interested in. Are there any others people know of &/or can
>>> recommend? Any caveats
>>
>> does your ISP permit sharing of your connection with 3rd parties ?
>>
> My understanding is that they have no issue unless either usage via
> my connection becomes excessive and other customers are affected or
> I am reselling their bandwidth. Neither of these will apply.

Bet that they will get very interested if child pornography or
information about terrorist activities started to pass over your
connection & as it's your connection, guess whose head will be in the
noose :-(

In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Kraftee
<kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> writes
>dave @ stejonda wrote:
>> In message <(E-Mail Removed) om>,
>> PhilT <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>>> On 25 Jul, 10:37, "dave @ stejonda" <no$spam!delete&abuse
>>> %d...@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking at joining a community wi-fi sharing setup.
>>>>
>>>> Have found FON, which requires you buy their hardware and
>>>> Whistler which doesn't seem to have many users in areas I am
>>>> interested in. Are there any others people know of &/or can
>>>> recommend? Any caveats
>>>
>>> does your ISP permit sharing of your connection with 3rd parties ?
>>>
>> My understanding is that they have no issue unless either usage via
>> my connection becomes excessive and other customers are affected or
>> I am reselling their bandwidth. Neither of these will apply.
>
>Bet that they will get very interested if child pornography or
>information about terrorist activities started to pass over your
>connection & as it's your connection, guess whose head will be in the
>noose :-(
>
With both communities, the software keeps logs of which member connected
& when. FON seems a tighter setup but requires members to buy their
router (they used to offer flashable software for existing routers but
apparently ppl found this too difficult to implement.

Incidentally I installed the Whisher s/w yesterday and it failed to find
either my wired Net connection nor my wi-fi.

--
dave @ stejonda

Kraftee wrote:

> dave @ stejonda wrote:
>> In message <(E-Mail Removed) om>,
>> PhilT <(E-Mail Removed)> writes

>>> does your ISP permit sharing of your connection with 3rd parties ?
>>>
>> My understanding is that they have no issue unless either usage via
>> my connection becomes excessive and other customers are affected or
>> I am reselling their bandwidth. Neither of these will apply.
>
> Bet that they will get very interested if child pornography or
> information about terrorist activities started to pass over your
> connection

Are there any known cases of an ISP monitoring the traffic passing over one
of their customers connections, and then passing it on to the relevant
authorities?

> & as it's your connection, guess whose head will be in the noose :-(

Again, are there any known cases of an ISP monitoring the traffic passing
over one of their customers connections, and then passing it on to the
relevant authorities, and the bill payer being prosecuted despite no
evidence whatsoever of them having downloaded it?

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alexd wrote:

> Kraftee wrote:
>
> > dave @ stejonda wrote:
> >> PhilT <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>
> >>> does your ISP permit sharing of your connection with 3rd parties ?
> >>>
> >> My understanding is that they have no issue unless either usage via
> >> my connection becomes excessive and other customers are affected or
> >> I am reselling their bandwidth. Neither of these will apply.
> >
> > Bet that they will get very interested if child pornography or
> > information about terrorist activities started to pass over your
> > connection
>
> Are there any known cases of an ISP monitoring the traffic passing over one
> of their customers connections, and then passing it on to the relevant
> authorities?

I'd have thought that 'they' would be unlikely to tell us even if it was the
case.

Graham

alexd wrote:
> Kraftee wrote:
>
>> dave @ stejonda wrote:
>>> In message <(E-Mail Removed) om>,
>>> PhilT <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>
>>>> does your ISP permit sharing of your connection with 3rd parties
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>> My understanding is that they have no issue unless either usage
>>> via my connection becomes excessive and other customers are
>>> affected or I am reselling their bandwidth. Neither of these will
>>> apply.
>>
>> Bet that they will get very interested if child pornography or
>> information about terrorist activities started to pass over your
>> connection
>
> Are there any known cases of an ISP monitoring the traffic passing
> over one of their customers connections, and then passing it on to
> the relevant authorities?
>
>> & as it's your connection, guess whose head will be in the noose
>> :-(
>
> Again, are there any known cases of an ISP monitoring the traffic
> passing over one of their customers connections, and then passing
> it on to the relevant authorities, and the bill payer being
> prosecuted despite no evidence whatsoever of them having downloaded
> it?

AIR by law, all ISPs should have on record your activities on the web
& email.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:37:56 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband , alexd
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Are there any known cases of an ISP monitoring the traffic passing over one
>of their customers connections, and then passing it on to the relevant
>authorities?

ISPs won't do that off their own bats, its too expensive. They will
however cooperate with law enforcement agencies should they be asked
to, and will also probably respond to a report from a reliable 3rd
party, and even, possibly, to an AUP breach report.

>> & as it's your connection, guess whose head will be in the noose :-(
>
>Again, are there any known cases of
(snip repetition)
> the bill payer being prosecuted despite no
>evidence whatsoever of them having downloaded it?

I doubt it, but would you want to be the test case? I should imagine
having your name in the papers as an alleged paed would mildly damage
your job prospects, standing in the community, etc etc even if found
not guilty due to lack of evidence.
--
Mark McIntyre

"alexd" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Kraftee wrote:
>
>> dave @ stejonda wrote:
>>> In message <(E-Mail Removed) om>,
>>> PhilT <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>
>>>> does your ISP permit sharing of your connection with 3rd parties ?
>>>>
>>> My understanding is that they have no issue unless either usage via
>>> my connection becomes excessive and other customers are affected or
>>> I am reselling their bandwidth. Neither of these will apply.
>>
>> Bet that they will get very interested if child pornography or
>> information about terrorist activities started to pass over your
>> connection
>
> Are there any known cases of an ISP monitoring the traffic passing over
> one
> of their customers connections, and then passing it on to the relevant
> authorities?
>
>> & as it's your connection, guess whose head will be in the noose :-(
>
> Again, are there any known cases of an ISP monitoring the traffic passing
> over one of their customers connections, and then passing it on to the
> relevant authorities, and the bill payer being prosecuted despite no
> evidence whatsoever of them having downloaded it?

Don't ask questions where you wont like the answer.