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Siegen
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      02-14-2007, 07:54 AM
Hi.
Due to bad purchasing practices I have two routers.

My adsl one, connected directly to the internet and a wireless router which
plugs into it. My P.C.s are plugged into ports on the wireless router and one
P.C. (remote -- other end of house) uses the wireless link.

All works well.

However, which one should issue the I.P. addresses (DHCP)?

At present, the wireless router issues the I.P. addresses.
Should I disable DHCP on that and let the ADSL Modem/Router issue the I.P.
addresses?

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Tom Lake
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      02-14-2007, 12:25 PM
> However, which one should issue the I.P. addresses (DHCP)?
>
> At present, the wireless router issues the I.P. addresses.
> Should I disable DHCP on that and let the ADSL Modem/Router issue the I.P.
> addresses?


If it's working, why mess with it?

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      02-15-2007, 08:22 AM
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:25:51 -0500 "Tom Lake" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

:> > However, which one should issue the I.P. addresses (DHCP)?
:> >
:> > At present, the wireless router issues the I.P. addresses.
:> > Should I disable DHCP on that and let the ADSL Modem/Router issue the I.P.
:> > addresses?
:>
Tom:
:> If it's working, why mess with it?
Point taken but I played anyway --- because both routers have DHCP enabled.


Wireless router I.P. address = 192.168.2.254
Wireless router I.P. DHCP address range 192.168.2.1 - 192.168.2.253

ADSL connected modem I.P. address = 192.168.1.1
ADSL connected modem I.P. DHCP address range 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.10

I turned off DHCP in the wireless router (which is between the LAN and the ADSL
connected router) and I "hard-coded" I.P. address 192.168.2.5 to a P.C. so it
could continue to communicate with the wireless router.

I could ping the ADSL modem and my I.S.P.

I then changed the settings on the P.C. back to "obtain I.P. automatically".

I then executed ipconfig /renew

The P.C. had lost connectivity.

The ADSL connected modem wasn't issuing the LAN P.C.s with I.P. addresses
through the wireless router.

Should I change the I.P. of the wireless router to, for example, 192.168.1.2 and
alter the DHCP on the ADSL connected modem/router to issue in the range, for
example, 192.168.1.3 - 192.168.1.10 ?


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      02-22-2007, 07:25 AM
I'm wondering how best to do this configuration.

I want the ADSL Modem/Router <i.e. the one with the phone line plugged into it)
to issue the DHCP addresses to the P.C.s. The wireless router is required (now)
only for its wireless.

(1) --- phone line plugs into this one.
ADSL connected modem I.P. address = 192.168.1.1
ADSL connected modem I.P. DHCP address range 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.10

(2) --- in series with (1) and into which both the wireless and cabled P.C.s
connect.
Wireless router I.P. address = 192.168.2.254
Wireless router I.P. DHCP address range 192.168.2.1 - 192.168.2.253

What I have attempted so far.
I turned off DHCP in the wireless router (which is between the LAN and the ADSL
connected router) and I "hard-coded" I.P. address 192.168.2.5 to a P.C. so it
could continue to communicate with the wireless router.

I could ping the ADSL modem and my I.S.P.

I then changed the settings on the P.C. back to "obtain I.P. automatically".

I then executed ipconfig /renew

The P.C. had lost connectivity.

The ADSL connected modem wasn't issuing the LAN P.C.s with I.P. addresses
through the wireless router.

Should I change the I.P. of the wireless router to, for example, 192.168.1.2 and
alter the DHCP on the ADSL connected modem/router to issue in the range, for
example, 192.168.1.3 - 192.168.1.10 ?


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dave xnet
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      02-22-2007, 07:01 PM
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:25:08 +1100, Siegen
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I'm wondering how best to do this configuration.
>
>I want the ADSL Modem/Router <i.e. the one with the phone line plugged into it)
>to issue the DHCP addresses to the P.C.s. The wireless router is required (now)
>only for its wireless.
>
>(1) --- phone line plugs into this one.
>ADSL connected modem I.P. address = 192.168.1.1
>ADSL connected modem I.P. DHCP address range 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.10
>
>(2) --- in series with (1) and into which both the wireless and cabled P.C.s
>connect.
>Wireless router I.P. address = 192.168.2.254
>Wireless router I.P. DHCP address range 192.168.2.1 - 192.168.2.253
>
>What I have attempted so far.
>I turned off DHCP in the wireless router (which is between the LAN and the ADSL
>connected router) and I "hard-coded" I.P. address 192.168.2.5 to a P.C. so it
>could continue to communicate with the wireless router.
>
>I could ping the ADSL modem and my I.S.P.
>
>I then changed the settings on the P.C. back to "obtain I.P. automatically".
>
>I then executed ipconfig /renew
>
>The P.C. had lost connectivity.
>
>The ADSL connected modem wasn't issuing the LAN P.C.s with I.P. addresses
>through the wireless router.
>
>Should I change the I.P. of the wireless router to, for example, 192.168.1.2 and
>alter the DHCP on the ADSL connected modem/router to issue in the range, for
>example, 192.168.1.3 - 192.168.1.10 ?
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>-- Siegen

What is the reason for this config?
Why not just plug all devices into the ADSL modem/router?
OR is the ADSL modem not wireless?

I went thru something like this. In my case
the adsl WAS wireless, but it's routing performance
was poor.
I ended up wanting my adsl modem/router to act
only as a modem, and for the connected wireless router
to do most of the work.

I tried two approaches. I defined a DMZ zone in the adsl
modem (for example, 192.168.1.70) and then coded a
static IP of the same in the wireless router, and this allowed
th wireless to handle the routing, NAT, etc, because it was
essentially receiving an "unfiltered" stream from the adsl.
This worked good.

But I wanted to see if I could get a little closer to the adsl
acting as just a modem. I set the adsl in "transparent
bridge mode". This basically just passes the data thru to the
wireless, using the WAN ip, which is resolved in the wireless
router by DHCP. Then this router handles everything and
I use dhcp to accept the clients. This works for me,
because the adsl modem uses dhcp to connect to the
ISP - not sure if/how it would work if your using some other
mode such as PPPoe.

I think the way you have it now, you are double NATted,
which works, but there may be a performance hit.
Try DMZ- easy to setup. If your adsl connects to your ISP
using dhcp AND it has a transparent bridge mode
you can try that too.
Dave
 
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      03-01-2007, 11:06 AM
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:01:11 GMT dave xnet <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

Thanks Dave.

:> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:25:08 +1100, Siegen
:> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
:>
:> >I'm wondering how best to do this configuration.
:> >
:> >I want the ADSL Modem/Router <i.e. the one with the phone line plugged into it)
:> >to issue the DHCP addresses to the P.C.s. The wireless router is required (now)
:> >only for its wireless.
:> >
:> >(1) --- phone line plugs into this one.
:> >ADSL connected modem I.P. address = 192.168.1.1
:> >ADSL connected modem I.P. DHCP address range 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.10
:> >
:> >(2) --- in series with (1) and into which both the wireless and cabled P.C.s
:> >connect.
:> >Wireless router I.P. address = 192.168.2.254
:> >Wireless router I.P. DHCP address range 192.168.2.1 - 192.168.2.253
:> >
:> >What I have attempted so far.
:> >I turned off DHCP in the wireless router (which is between the LAN and the ADSL
:> >connected router) and I "hard-coded" I.P. address 192.168.2.5 to a P.C. so it
:> >could continue to communicate with the wireless router.
:> >
:> >I could ping the ADSL modem and my I.S.P.
:> >
:> >I then changed the settings on the P.C. back to "obtain I.P. automatically".
:> >
:> >I then executed ipconfig /renew
:> >
:> >The P.C. had lost connectivity.
:> >
:> >The ADSL connected modem wasn't issuing the LAN P.C.s with I.P. addresses
:> >through the wireless router.
:> >
:> >Should I change the I.P. of the wireless router to, for example, 192.168.1.2 and
:> >alter the DHCP on the ADSL connected modem/router to issue in the range, for
:> >example, 192.168.1.3 - 192.168.1.10 ?
:> >
:> >
:> >Regards,
:> >
:> >
:> >-- Siegen
:> What is the reason for this config?
:> Why not just plug all devices into the ADSL modem/router?
:> OR is the ADSL modem not wireless?
:>
:> I went thru something like this. In my case
:> the adsl WAS wireless, but it's routing performance
:> was poor.
:> I ended up wanting my adsl modem/router to act
:> only as a modem, and for the connected wireless router
:> to do most of the work.
:>
:> I tried two approaches. I defined a DMZ zone in the adsl
:> modem (for example, 192.168.1.70) and then coded a
:> static IP of the same in the wireless router, and this allowed
:> th wireless to handle the routing, NAT, etc, because it was
:> essentially receiving an "unfiltered" stream from the adsl.
:> This worked good.
:>
:> But I wanted to see if I could get a little closer to the adsl
:> acting as just a modem. I set the adsl in "transparent
:> bridge mode". This basically just passes the data thru to the
:> wireless, using the WAN ip, which is resolved in the wireless
:> router by DHCP. Then this router handles everything and
:> I use dhcp to accept the clients. This works for me,
:> because the adsl modem uses dhcp to connect to the
:> ISP - not sure if/how it would work if your using some other
:> mode such as PPPoe.
:>
:> I think the way you have it now, you are double NATted,
:> which works, but there may be a performance hit.
:> Try DMZ- easy to setup. If your adsl connects to your ISP
:> using dhcp AND it has a transparent bridge mode
:> you can try that too.
:> Dave

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