What's involved in installing cable?

On 08/01/2012 23:05, George Weston wrote:
> Yep - unless you live in a reasonably large town or city (or suburb
> thereof) there doesn't appear to be any light at the end of the tunnel
> for either cable or fibre.
> If you live out in the sticks, as I do, you have to accept that you'll
> get second - or third - rate services.
> I'm quite happy to "enjoy" a 3 Meg ADSL connection, no mains gas and
> frequent power cuts for the tranquillity and low crime rate.
>

Same situation here in Orkney. Microwave links between the islands
means, presumably, no chance of fibre.
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:05:17 +0000
George Weston <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On 08/01/2012 22:49, Davey wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:15:46 +0000
> > Ghostrecon<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:47:54 -0000, Woody wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Andy Burns"<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >>> news:(E-Mail Removed) o.uk...
> >>>> Deux wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've ordered cable from Virgin Media. To the best of my
> >>>>> knowledge the
> >>>>> previous occupants had cable so the cabling should all be
> >>>>> there so
> >>>>> hopefully there won't be any digging up the garden.
> >>>>
> >>>> From wandering around cabled areas, any "digging" that Virgin
> >>>> do seems to be limited to a depth of about 2" to conceal the
> >>>> cable, alternatively they stuff it into cracks in the pavement,
> >>>> or just leave it exposed ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I know this will be unpopular, but I must spring to the defence
> >>> of VM. In the main they are not responsible for the existing
> >>> cable infrastructure, that was installed many moons ago by the
> >>> area cable providers even before they started getting taken over
> >>> and eventually ending in either the NTL or Telewest pots. Agreed
> >>> contractors for VM do install new feeds from exiting
> >>> infrastructure to buildings that want to come 'on line' such as
> >>> the OP but its only the last bit from the pavement to the house,
> >>> the main trunking already being in place.
> >>>
> >>> There has been no expansion to the existing cable infrastructure
> >>> for some years now - and I'm talking for getting on for the
> >>> better part of a decade.
> >>
> >> umm they have just put in the infrastructure formy mothers estate
> >> (couple of months ago)
> >
> > As far as I know, there are no plans for anything in my part of the
> > country. Even BT Infinity is an infinite time in the future.
>
> Yep - unless you live in a reasonably large town or city (or suburb
> thereof) there doesn't appear to be any light at the end of the
> tunnel for either cable or fibre.
> If you live out in the sticks, as I do, you have to accept that
> you'll get second - or third - rate services.
> I'm quite happy to "enjoy" a 3 Meg ADSL connection,
6.31, in my case!

> no mains gas
same here, oil is the heating source, (we still have the pipe out back
from when the village had its own gas plant),

> and frequent power cuts
we've been very lucky, even during the recent gales. No cuts at all.

> for the tranquillity
Depends on whether the neighbour is working on his damned house
extension or not. Hammering before 8 am one summer Sunday required a
visit to let him know that we were not amused.

> and low crime rate.
Thankfully, it's ok here, too. Unless you count the demon wind turbine
installers (oops, wrong group and thread).

--
Davey.

Bruce wrote:
> On 08/01/2012 23:05, George Weston wrote:
>> Yep - unless you live in a reasonably large town or city (or suburb
>> thereof) there doesn't appear to be any light at the end of the tunnel
>> for either cable or fibre.
>> If you live out in the sticks, as I do, you have to accept that you'll
>> get second - or third - rate services.
>> I'm quite happy to "enjoy" a 3 Meg ADSL connection, no mains gas and
>> frequent power cuts for the tranquillity and low crime rate.
>>
>
> Same situation here in Orkney. Microwave links between the islands
> means, presumably, no chance of fibre.

Not true at all. Large parts of the UK data backbone still run over
microwave links. IIRC you can get several Gb/s over a good link.



Although I am surprised they haven't laid fibre there (Orkneys and
Shetland) as an undersea link.

Ghostrecon wrote:

>
> Sandy Bedfordshire

Its not ALL sandy, in Bedfordshire..

On 09/01/2012 12:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>> On 08/01/2012 23:05, George Weston wrote:
>>> Yep - unless you live in a reasonably large town or city (or suburb
>>> thereof) there doesn't appear to be any light at the end of the tunnel
>>> for either cable or fibre.
>>> If you live out in the sticks, as I do, you have to accept that you'll
>>> get second - or third - rate services.
>>> I'm quite happy to "enjoy" a 3 Meg ADSL connection, no mains gas and
>>> frequent power cuts for the tranquillity and low crime rate.
>>>
>>
>> Same situation here in Orkney. Microwave links between the islands
>> means, presumably, no chance of fibre.
>
> Not true at all. Large parts of the UK data backbone still run over
> microwave links. IIRC you can get several Gb/s over a good link.
>
>
>
> Although I am surprised they haven't laid fibre there (Orkneys and
> Shetland) as an undersea link.

We only got broadband about 4 years ago. Reasonable download speed
(around 3MB) with very few interruptions.
Laying a new undersea power cable last summer to create a "ring circuit"
of all the Northern Isles seems to have reduced the number (and
duration) of power outages. However, a couple of the big diesel
generator sets in Kirkwall (which used to supply mainland Orkney and
some of the Northern Isles) have been retained and used on at least one
occasion in the last 12 months
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney
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Bruce wrote:
> On 09/01/2012 12:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> On 08/01/2012 23:05, George Weston wrote:
>>>> Yep - unless you live in a reasonably large town or city (or suburb
>>>> thereof) there doesn't appear to be any light at the end of the tunnel
>>>> for either cable or fibre.
>>>> If you live out in the sticks, as I do, you have to accept that you'll
>>>> get second - or third - rate services.
>>>> I'm quite happy to "enjoy" a 3 Meg ADSL connection, no mains gas and
>>>> frequent power cuts for the tranquillity and low crime rate.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Same situation here in Orkney. Microwave links between the islands
>>> means, presumably, no chance of fibre.
>>
>> Not true at all. Large parts of the UK data backbone still run over
>> microwave links. IIRC you can get several Gb/s over a good link.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although I am surprised they haven't laid fibre there (Orkneys and
>> Shetland) as an undersea link.
>
> We only got broadband about 4 years ago. Reasonable download speed
> (around 3MB) with very few interruptions.
> Laying a new undersea power cable last summer to create a "ring circuit"
> of all the Northern Isles seems to have reduced the number (and
> duration) of power outages. However, a couple of the big diesel
> generator sets in Kirkwall (which used to supply mainland Orkney and
> some of the Northern Isles) have been retained and used on at least one
> occasion in the last 12 months


That's the proper Northern Spirit!

The channel isles have a lot of fibre going in - the microwave was
switched off many years ago. At least for the big three - Jersey
Guernsey and Alderney.

I am surprised that openreach haven't slung a bit of fibre at least to
Orkney mainland.

It's a very short hop from e.g. Thurso..

On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:16:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> On 08/01/2012 23:05, George Weston wrote:
>>> Yep - unless you live in a reasonably large town or city (or suburb
>>> thereof) there doesn't appear to be any light at the end of the tunnel
>>> for either cable or fibre.
>>> If you live out in the sticks, as I do, you have to accept that you'll
>>> get second - or third - rate services.
>>> I'm quite happy to "enjoy" a 3 Meg ADSL connection, no mains gas and
>>> frequent power cuts for the tranquillity and low crime rate.
>>>
>>
>> Same situation here in Orkney. Microwave links between the islands
>> means, presumably, no chance of fibre.
>
>Not true at all. Large parts of the UK data backbone still run over
>microwave links. IIRC you can get several Gb/s over a good link.

I don't think so
--
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Peter

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Peter wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:16:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> On 08/01/2012 23:05, George Weston wrote:
>>>> Yep - unless you live in a reasonably large town or city (or suburb
>>>> thereof) there doesn't appear to be any light at the end of the tunnel
>>>> for either cable or fibre.
>>>> If you live out in the sticks, as I do, you have to accept that you'll
>>>> get second - or third - rate services.
>>>> I'm quite happy to "enjoy" a 3 Meg ADSL connection, no mains gas and
>>>> frequent power cuts for the tranquillity and low crime rate.
>>>>
>>> Same situation here in Orkney. Microwave links between the islands
>>> means, presumably, no chance of fibre.
>> Not true at all. Large parts of the UK data backbone still run over
>> microwave links. IIRC you can get several Gb/s over a good link.
>
> I don't think so

well state of the art modulation toady is about 1/3rd of the bandwidth
in GHz is used for every Gbps of data rate, so 3Gbps would take about
1Ghz bandwidth which is not inconceivable in a 35GHz microwave link.

Although it is likely that would be multiplexed using several carriers.


e.g. From wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave)

"In the United States, the band 38.6 - 40.0 GHz is used for licensed
high-speed microwave data links, and the 60 GHz band can be used for
unlicensed short range (1.7 km) data links with data throughputs up to
2.5 Gbit/s. It is used commonly in flat terrain."

Across a short bit of sea, is relatively 'flat terrain'

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:48:58 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Peter wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:16:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> On 08/01/2012 23:05, George Weston wrote:
>>>>> Yep - unless you live in a reasonably large town or city (or suburb
>>>>> thereof) there doesn't appear to be any light at the end of the tunnel
>>>>> for either cable or fibre.
>>>>> If you live out in the sticks, as I do, you have to accept that you'll
>>>>> get second - or third - rate services.
>>>>> I'm quite happy to "enjoy" a 3 Meg ADSL connection, no mains gas and
>>>>> frequent power cuts for the tranquillity and low crime rate.
>>>>>
>>>> Same situation here in Orkney. Microwave links between the islands
>>>> means, presumably, no chance of fibre.
>>> Not true at all. Large parts of the UK data backbone still run over
>>> microwave links. IIRC you can get several Gb/s over a good link.
>>
>> I don't think so
>
>well state of the art modulation toady is about 1/3rd of the bandwidth
>in GHz is used for every Gbps of data rate, so 3Gbps would take about
>1Ghz bandwidth which is not inconceivable in a 35GHz microwave link.
>
>Although it is likely that would be multiplexed using several carriers.


I really hate the trend where the term bandwidth is used
interchangeably with data rate or throughput so it's nice to see them
used correctly in the same sentence.

I'll let you off for the small h in GHz ;-)

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:57:40 -0000, Woody wrote:

> "Ghostrecon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:1g02k8krarw9z.1pi635gusnaxs$.(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:47:54 -0000, Woody wrote:
>>
>>> "Andy Burns" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed) o.uk...
>>>> Deux wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've ordered cable from Virgin Media. To the best of my
>>>>> knowledge the
>>>>> previous occupants had cable so the cabling should all be
>>>>> there so
>>>>> hopefully there won't be any digging up the garden.
>>>>
>>>> From wandering around cabled areas, any "digging" that Virgin
>>>> do seems to be limited to a depth of about 2" to conceal the
>>>> cable, alternatively they stuff it into cracks in the
>>>> pavement,
>>>> or just leave it exposed ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this will be unpopular, but I must spring to the
>>> defence
>>> of VM. In the main they are not responsible for the existing
>>> cable infrastructure, that was installed many moons ago by the
>>> area cable providers even before they started getting taken
>>> over
>>> and eventually ending in either the NTL or Telewest pots.
>>> Agreed
>>> contractors for VM do install new feeds from exiting
>>> infrastructure to buildings that want to come 'on line' such
>>> as
>>> the OP but its only the last bit from the pavement to the
>>> house,
>>> the main trunking already being in place.
>>>
>>> There has been no expansion to the existing cable
>>> infrastructure
>>> for some years now - and I'm talking for getting on for the
>>> better part of a decade.
>>
>> umm they have just put in the infrastructure formy mothers
>> estate (couple
>> of months ago)
>> --
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>
>
>
> Could likely be because the developers have a bit of nouse and
> have paid VM to install it?

well the estate was built 10 years ago at least, I would have thought that
if it was anythng to do with the developers the ducts could have been
incorporated at the time. As it is they ae digging everything up (or were)
a few months back
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