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Mark in Tampa
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      08-13-2005, 09:38 PM
I have a 2003 server (Dell PE 2550) updated and service packed. Private IP
addressing on the 3 NICs in the server...one for the internal network, one
for external connectivity and one for a point to point frame connection.
Servers main purpose is IIS (http and FTP) and OWA for Exchange
2003...connection to the public internet goes through a PIX 515 via DMZ.
about 2 weeks ago the connectivity from the outside dropped. We noticed in
the PIX logs that it was showing that the outside pointing NIC was spoofing
so the PIX was blocking traffic out. We updated the drivers on the NIC and
it came back up. about 15 hours later, same thing happened. We disabled the
NIC for 5 minutes and re-enabled and everything came back up. Changed out
the NIC and about 18 hours later the same thing happened. We changed out the
PIX with a Watchguard Firebox...everything was fine for about 3 hours and the
spoofing started again. So, two different NICs and two different firewalls
and the same thing is happening. Firewall blocks traffic coming from the
inside due to spoofing the external facing NICs IP address. Any ideas on
where to start looking??? TIA
 
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      08-14-2005, 09:16 PM
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"Mark in Tampa" <Mark in (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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I have a 2003 server (Dell PE 2550) updated and service packed. Private IP
addressing on the 3 NICs in the server...one for the internal network, one
for external connectivity and one for a point to point frame connection.
Servers main purpose is IIS (http and FTP) and OWA for Exchange
2003...connection to the public internet goes through a PIX 515 via DMZ.
about 2 weeks ago the connectivity from the outside dropped. We noticed in
the PIX logs that it was showing that the outside pointing NIC was spoofing
so the PIX was blocking traffic out. We updated the drivers on the NIC and
it came back up. about 15 hours later, same thing happened. We disabled
the
NIC for 5 minutes and re-enabled and everything came back up. Changed out
the NIC and about 18 hours later the same thing happened. We changed out
the
PIX with a Watchguard Firebox...everything was fine for about 3 hours and
the
spoofing started again. So, two different NICs and two different firewalls
and the same thing is happening. Firewall blocks traffic coming from the
inside due to spoofing the external facing NICs IP address. Any ideas on
where to start looking??? TIA

 
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James Price
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      08-14-2005, 11:18 PM
Mark,

Ok, so you've got 3 NICs in your server

1 -- External (DMZ)
1 -- Internal (LAN)
1 -- ??????? (FR to where)

I'm not completely clear on your network routing but I'd say that in general
terms I would have a server connected to 3 networks like that unless it was
an ISA Server or an SBS (ISA Server). If you use this as an external facing
web/FTP server then having it in the DMZ should suffice, I'd say you can
allow traffic from your LAN to the DMZ via your firewall/router. In part b/c
if your server ever becomes compromised then you've just circumvented your
firewall b/c the server is not JUST in the DMZ but also in the LAN.

In my experience, Windows like many operating systems while capable of
handling interfaces on multiple networks gracefully can sometimes get
confused and send and receive out of different interfaces and that can look
like "spoofing" to a firewall or cause FTP and other apps to seem to break
and then work again for no particular reason. There are a couple of things
you can do to offset this:

a. Don't use multiple network interfaces on the server
b. Manually configure the metric on you interfaces so you know where your
traffic is going

c. Use route print to view and edit the local routing table on the server,
Windows typically creates a default route (0.0.0.0) for each network to which
the server is directly attached.

I don't think you have a hardware problem (NIC or Firewall) nore likely
you've got a routing problem in Windows and it's causing your FW to think
someone is spoofing on your network. I say this (b/c it happened to me
before) and b/c when you disable the NIC for a few minutes (probably long
enough for the ARP cache in your switch, router, FW or a combination to age
out) and reenable it things work OK for a while.
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"Mark in Tampa" wrote:

> I have a 2003 server (Dell PE 2550) updated and service packed. Private IP
> addressing on the 3 NICs in the server...one for the internal network, one
> for external connectivity and one for a point to point frame connection.
> Servers main purpose is IIS (http and FTP) and OWA for Exchange
> 2003...connection to the public internet goes through a PIX 515 via DMZ.
> about 2 weeks ago the connectivity from the outside dropped. We noticed in
> the PIX logs that it was showing that the outside pointing NIC was spoofing
> so the PIX was blocking traffic out. We updated the drivers on the NIC and
> it came back up. about 15 hours later, same thing happened. We disabled the
> NIC for 5 minutes and re-enabled and everything came back up. Changed out
> the NIC and about 18 hours later the same thing happened. We changed out the
> PIX with a Watchguard Firebox...everything was fine for about 3 hours and the
> spoofing started again. So, two different NICs and two different firewalls
> and the same thing is happening. Firewall blocks traffic coming from the
> inside due to spoofing the external facing NICs IP address. Any ideas on
> where to start looking??? TIA

 
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Phillip Windell
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      08-15-2005, 09:15 PM
What is the TCP/IP config of each Nic?

Does the PIX or Watchgaurd have all of these IP Ranges configured as "local"
address in their LAT (or whatever name they call their LAT).

Does the PIX or Watchgaurd have a Static Route entered into them so that
they know how to locate all of the local subnets that are not directly
attached to it.

A "spoof" happens,... from the firewall's perspective,...when a packet
arrives on an interface when the source IP# should not have been able to
reach that interface (from the firewall's perspective). For example, an
interface of 192.168.1.1 which has no Gateway and no Static Route suddenly
receives a packet from the source 172.16.1.3. Even though they are both
considered RFC Private Addresses,...it is possibly interpreted as "spoofed"
because there is no established "path" to that address's subnet via the
Interface it was received on. Had it come in on the External Internet
Interface of the Firewall it may be invalid but not "spoofed" because that
interface has a Default Gateway (0.0.0.0) so that it is "theroretically"
possible to receive such an address on that interface.

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"Mark in Tampa" <Mark in (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:6A116B04-8FDA-4BBC-B4D8-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have a 2003 server (Dell PE 2550) updated and service packed. Private

IP
> addressing on the 3 NICs in the server...one for the internal network, one
> for external connectivity and one for a point to point frame connection.
> Servers main purpose is IIS (http and FTP) and OWA for Exchange
> 2003...connection to the public internet goes through a PIX 515 via DMZ.
> about 2 weeks ago the connectivity from the outside dropped. We noticed

in
> the PIX logs that it was showing that the outside pointing NIC was

spoofing
> so the PIX was blocking traffic out. We updated the drivers on the NIC

and
> it came back up. about 15 hours later, same thing happened. We disabled

the
> NIC for 5 minutes and re-enabled and everything came back up. Changed out
> the NIC and about 18 hours later the same thing happened. We changed out

the
> PIX with a Watchguard Firebox...everything was fine for about 3 hours and

the
> spoofing started again. So, two different NICs and two different

firewalls
> and the same thing is happening. Firewall blocks traffic coming from the
> inside due to spoofing the external facing NICs IP address. Any ideas on
> where to start looking??? TIA



 
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