Weird dates and time stamps on old Linksys WAP11...

Hello!

I have an old Linksys WAP11 (Instant Wireless Network Access Point v2.6) with its firwmare
v1.07, April 16, 2003 (latest one I saw) that I have been using for years (9/2003). I don't use
it all the time. I do turn it off (when not used like when going out or whatever) and on a lot
though.

I just noticed tonight on http://192.168.0.<whatever number I set or default>/log.htm showed:

1: Thu Jan 01 1970 00:00:0-14049 System Start
2: Thu Jan 01 1970 00:00:0-13989 Wireless PC Connected Mac: XX-XX-XX-XX-XX-XX
Current Date/Time :

I don't recall seeing the dates and times like them. I hit Clear Logs, it rebooted(?)/locked
up?, and my WAP forgot its static IP address I set (couldn't connect or ping it). I thought I
broke it, so I resetted it with a paperclip in its reset hole. Then, I was able to get back into
its assigned IP address (DHCP based). I noticed it forgot a lot of settings like SSID, IP
addresses, channel #, etc. Other half it still remembers like password, WEP password, etc.

Is this normal to be like this or is it having problem? It is not hot in my room (82 F degrees
right now), but it had been the last few weeks in L.A. area, CA

Thank you in advance.
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:00:45 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>I have an old Linksys WAP11 (Instant Wireless Network Access Point v2.6) with its firwmare
>v1.07, April 16, 2003 (latest one I saw) that I have been using for years (9/2003). I don't use
>it all the time. I do turn it off (when not used like when going out or whatever) and on a lot
>though.
>
>I just noticed tonight on http://192.168.0.<whatever number I set or default>/log.htm showed:
>
>1: Thu Jan 01 1970 00:00:0-14049 System Start
>2: Thu Jan 01 1970 00:00:0-13989 Wireless PC Connected Mac: XX-XX-XX-XX-XX-XX
>Current Date/Time :
>
>I don't recall seeing the dates and times like them.

I do. What happened is that Linksys hard coded some NTP (network time
protocol) servers into the firmware. I think some of them went away
about a year ago. Since then, the clock just uses the default
date/time as it always fails to update.

Just for fun, I downloaded that 1.07 firmware image and ran it through
strings to see if I could find the IP address. I couldn't find it.

>I hit Clear Logs, it rebooted(?)/locked
>up?, and my WAP forgot its static IP address I set (couldn't connect or ping it).

Ummm, that's not suppose to happen.

>I thought I
>broke it, so I resetted it with a paperclip in its reset hole. Then, I was able to get back into
>its assigned IP address (DHCP based). I noticed it forgot a lot of settings like SSID, IP
>addresses, channel #, etc. Other half it still remembers like password, WEP password, etc.

Well, duh, yes. If you do a hard reset, it clears everything,
including the settings, back to the defaults. Did you try powering
the WAP11 v2.6 on and off before resorting to a hard reset?

>Is this normal to be like this or is it having problem? It is not hot in my room (82 F degrees
>right now), but it had been the last few weeks in L.A. area, CA

It maxed out on Saturday at 103 to 115F (unofficial highs) in the
hills above the Peoples Republic of Santa Cruz.

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Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:00:45 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

> >I have an old Linksys WAP11 (Instant Wireless Network Access Point v2.6) with its firwmare
> >v1.07, April 16, 2003 (latest one I saw) that I have been using for years (9/2003). I don't use
> >it all the time. I do turn it off (when not used like when going out or whatever) and on a lot
> >though.
> >
> >I just noticed tonight on http://192.168.0.<whatever number I set or default>/log.htm showed:
> >
> >1: Thu Jan 01 1970 00:00:0-14049 System Start
> >2: Thu Jan 01 1970 00:00:0-13989 Wireless PC Connected Mac: XX-XX-XX-XX-XX-XX
> >Current Date/Time :
> >
> >I don't recall seeing the dates and times like them.

> I do. What happened is that Linksys hard coded some NTP (network time
> protocol) servers into the firmware. I think some of them went away
> about a year ago. Since then, the clock just uses the default
> date/time as it always fails to update.

Interesting. I didn't know it was using NTP. Which one was it? Can I have to use my local
computers?


> Just for fun, I downloaded that 1.07 firmware image and ran it through
> strings to see if I could find the IP address. I couldn't find it.

v1.07? I only saw v1.03. Where did you see that one? What's fixed?


> >I hit Clear Logs, it rebooted(?)/locked
> >up?, and my WAP forgot its static IP address I set (couldn't connect or ping it).

> Ummm, that's not suppose to happen.

Yeah. It was weird.


> >I thought I
> >broke it, so I resetted it with a paperclip in its reset hole. Then, I was able to get back into
> >its assigned IP address (DHCP based). I noticed it forgot a lot of settings like SSID, IP
> >addresses, channel #, etc. Other half it still remembers like password, WEP password, etc.

> Well, duh, yes. If you do a hard reset, it clears everything,
> including the settings, back to the defaults. Did you try powering
> the WAP11 v2.6 on and off before resorting to a hard reset?

Right, but it should had erased EVERYTHING back to defaults, right? Not just half of them. I did
power off and on before resetting.


> >Is this normal to be like this or is it having problem? It is not hot in my room (82 F degrees
> >right now), but it had been the last few weeks in L.A. area, CA

> It maxed out on Saturday at 103 to 115F (unofficial highs) in the
> hills above the Peoples Republic of Santa Cruz.

Heh.
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:55:58 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>> >I have an old Linksys WAP11 (Instant Wireless Network Access Point v2.6) with its firwmare
>> >v1.07, April 16, 2003 (latest one I saw) that I have been using for years (9/2003).
(...)
>> Just for fun, I downloaded that 1.07 firmware image and ran it through
>> strings to see if I could find the IP address. I couldn't find it.

>v1.07? I only saw v1.03. Where did you see that one? What's fixed?

WAP11 v2.6 latest version is 1.07. See:
| http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...VisitorWrapper

>Interesting. I didn't know it was using NTP. Which one was it?

Dunno. I couldn't find the IP's or names in the 1.07 image file.

>Can I have to use my local computers?

Huh? I don't understand. The NTP in the WAP11 is to set its own date
and time for logging and not to set those on your computer.

However, now that you asked, with Windoze XP, go to:
Control Panel -> Date and Time -> Internet Time
and change the time server from:
time.windows.com
to:
us.pool.ntp.org
Figure on a 10 second delay to synchronize.

>Right, but it should had erased EVERYTHING back to defaults, right? Not just half of them. I did
>power off and on before resetting.

Yep. Everything. I recently had to reset two WAP54G v3.1 access
points. Punch the reset button and EVERYTHING was back to defaults.
Something might be blown in your unit.

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:43:58 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<(E-Mail Removed)>:

>However, now that you asked, with Windoze XP, go to:
> Control Panel -> Date and Time -> Internet Time
>and change the time server from:
> time.windows.com
>to:
> us.pool.ntp.org
>Figure on a 10 second delay to synchronize.

Ugh. That's a crude DNS load balance of servers all over the place.
Better to use good local servers. I personally use and recommend
SymmTime 2006 <http://www.ntp-systems.com/symmtime.asp>, but if you must
use Windoze, good open access servers in the SF Bay Area include:
* clock.fmt.he.net
* clock.sjc.he.net
* nist1.datum.com
* ntp-cup.external.hp.com
* nist1.aol-ca.truetime.com

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Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:55:58 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

> >> >I have an old Linksys WAP11 (Instant Wireless Network Access Point v2.6) with its firwmare
> >> >v1.07, April 16, 2003 (latest one I saw) that I have been using for years (9/2003).
> (...)
> >> Just for fun, I downloaded that 1.07 firmware image and ran it through
> >> strings to see if I could find the IP address. I couldn't find it.

> >v1.07? I only saw v1.03. Where did you see that one? What's fixed?

> WAP11 v2.6 latest version is 1.07. See:
> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...VisitorWrapper

Can you post tinyurl of this? SOmehow I am getting an error:
500 Servlet Exception

java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Satellite Server request for page unable
to proceed: (pagename is missing). Parameters: {childpagename=US/Layout,
c=L_Download_C2, cid=11154171099$}
at com.openmarket.Satellite.s.b(DashoA14174)
at com.openmarket.Satellite.s.f(DashoA14174)
at com.openmarket.Satellite.s.a(DashoA14174)
at com.openmarket.Satellite.s.toString(DashoA14174)
at java.lang.String.valueOf(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.StringBuffer.append(Unknown Source)
at com.openmarket.Satellite.c.execute(DashoA14174)
at com.openmarket.Satellite.servlet.b.doGet(DashoA141 74)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet .java:115)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet .java:92)
at com.caucho.server.dispatch.ServletFilterChain.doFi lter(ServletFilterChain.java:106)
at com.caucho.server.webapp.WebAppFilterChain.doFilte r(WebAppFilterChain.java:178)
at com.caucho.server.dispatch.ServletInvocation.servi ce(ServletInvocation.java:229)
at com.caucho.server.hmux.HmuxRequest.handleRequest(H muxRequest.java:419)
at com.caucho.server.port.TcpConnection.run(TcpConnec tion.java:389)
at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.runTasks(ThreadPool.jav a:492)
at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:425 )
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Resin-3.0.18 (built Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:47:03 PST)



> >Interesting. I didn't know it was using NTP. Which one was it?

> Dunno. I couldn't find the IP's or names in the 1.07 image file.

I meant the older one.


> >Can I have to use my local computers?

> Huh? I don't understand. The NTP in the WAP11 is to set its own date
> and time for logging and not to set those on your computer.

Sorry, that is what I meant. I missed a word. "Can I have it..." Long day at work for me, today.


> However, now that you asked, with Windoze XP, go to:
> Control Panel -> Date and Time -> Internet Time
> and change the time server from:
> time.windows.com
> to:
> us.pool.ntp.org
> Figure on a 10 second delay to synchronize.

I meant for the WAP.


> >Right, but it should had erased EVERYTHING back to defaults, right? Not just half of them. I did
> >power off and on before resetting.

> Yep. Everything. I recently had to reset two WAP54G v3.1 access
> points. Punch the reset button and EVERYTHING was back to defaults.
> Something might be blown in your unit.

Probably heat.
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:25:14 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote in
<(E-Mail Removed) >:

>Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:55:58 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>
>> >> >I have an old Linksys WAP11 (Instant Wireless Network Access Point v2.6) with its firwmare
>> >> >v1.07, April 16, 2003 (latest one I saw) that I have been using for years (9/2003).
>> (...)
>> >> Just for fun, I downloaded that 1.07 firmware image and ran it through
>> >> strings to see if I could find the IP address. I couldn't find it.
>
>> >v1.07? I only saw v1.03. Where did you see that one? What's fixed?
>
>> WAP11 v2.6 latest version is 1.07. See:
>> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...VisitorWrapper
>
>Can you post tinyurl of this?

http://tinyurl.com/l6m4x

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(E-Mail Removed) hath wroth:

>> WAP11 v2.6 latest version is 1.07. See:
>> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...VisitorWrapper
>
>Can you post tinyurl of this?

John Navas posted one.

>SOmehow I am getting an error:

I posted the URL from my palatial office. I'm at home now and the
ultra long URL works just fine on my home PC. Looks like Java is
complaining. Check your Java version. Just go to:
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
and hit "verify installation".


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John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:43:58 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
><(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>>However, now that you asked, with Windoze XP, go to:
>> Control Panel -> Date and Time -> Internet Time
>>and change the time server from:
>> time.windows.com
>>to:
>> us.pool.ntp.org
>>Figure on a 10 second delay to synchronize.

>Ugh. That's a crude DNS load balance of servers all over the place.

Crude but effective. The idea is to not burden the stratum 1 servers
with NTP updates that don't require the ultimate in accuracy. I've
switched to using the pool about a year ago and have had no problems.

>Better to use good local servers.

Of course it's better. Whether it's necessary is dependent on whether
you want your clock accurate to the nearest millisecond. If you can
tolerate some more error, the pool is just fine.

>I personally use and recommend
>SymmTime 2006 <http://www.ntp-systems.com/symmtime.asp>

Nice. I gotta try it.

>, but if you must
>use Windoze, good open access servers in the SF Bay Area include:
>* clock.fmt.he.net
>* clock.sjc.he.net
>* nist1.datum.com
>* ntp-cup.external.hp.com
>* nist1.aol-ca.truetime.com

It's a good idea to check if one needs to ask permission before using
the servers. See:
http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/...OneTimeServers
http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/...TwoTimeServers
All the ones you've listed do NOT require permission, so they're safe.


Incidentally, this is from the WRT54G source code:

/* for NTP */
int do_ntp(void)
{
char ntp_servers[4][256] = {
"time.nist.gov",
"time.stdtime.gov.tw",
"time.chttl.com.tw",
"210.59.157.10",
};

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John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:25:14 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote in
> <(E-Mail Removed) >:

> >Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:55:58 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> >
> >> >> >I have an old Linksys WAP11 (Instant Wireless Network Access Point v2.6) with its firwmare
> >> >> >v1.07, April 16, 2003 (latest one I saw) that I have been using for years (9/2003).
> >> (...)
> >> >> Just for fun, I downloaded that 1.07 firmware image and ran it through
> >> >> strings to see if I could find the IP address. I couldn't find it.
> >
> >> >v1.07? I only saw v1.03. Where did you see that one? What's fixed?
> >
> >> WAP11 v2.6 latest version is 1.07. See:
> >> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...VisitorWrapper
> >
> >Can you post tinyurl of this?

> http://tinyurl.com/l6m4x

Thanks. Hmm, I guess I already havethis one. I thought I had v1.03. Heh.
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