Wanadoo SMTP server - grrrrrrrrrr!

I have a "how do I set this up" question concerned with POP/SMTP email.

A customer has a laptop which he sometimes uses at work (via ADSL to
Wanadoo) and sometimes at home or in a hotel. He wants to be able to
send/receive email using Outlook Express or Outlook no matter how he's
connected to the internet.

Receiving email is no problem: irrespective of the connection he can contact
the POP server of the third-party company (not Wanadoo) which hosts his
mailbox.

But outgoing is more of a problem because of the restriction that you can
normally only send via a server that belongs to the ISP by whom you are
accessing the internet.

The two possibilities are:

1. Use Wanadoo's SMTP server smtp.wanadoo.co.uk, specifiying that OE must
authenticate when connecting to the server; normally this overcomes the
"foreign ISP" restriction.

2. Use the SMTP server that corresponds to his POP server, again with SMTP
authentication turned on.

However both these fail because Wanadoo's security seems to be rather
draconian.

1. From outside of Wanadoo, I cannot even get a reply from
smtp.wanadoo.co.uk (there's no response to "telnet smtp.wandoo.co.uk 25"),
never mind getting as far as authentication.

2. The other SMTP server works fine for connections from a variety of ISPs
(I've tried Force 9, Virgin and another one), but Wanadoo block access to
non-Wanadoo SMTP servers: OE gets a reply saying "You must use
smtp.wanadoo.co.uk" if I configure it to use anything else. The same is true
with "telnet other-server 25" - the response to this command is the same
error message: it's presumably coming from Wanadoo rather than from the
server I'm trying to telnet to.


So I'm a bit stuck: I can't use Wanadoo's SMTP server because this is only
accessible from a Wanadoo connection, and I can't use a non-Wanadoo server
because this isn't accessible from Wanadoo. Any suggestions? I don't really
want to have to recommend that he sends via a web interface because he
wants a consistent, professional setup which gives him offline access to
historical sent and received mail.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:10:22 +0100, "Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I have a "how do I set this up" question concerned with POP/SMTP email.
>
>A customer has a laptop which he sometimes uses at work (via ADSL to
>Wanadoo) and sometimes at home or in a hotel. He wants to be able to
>send/receive email using Outlook Express or Outlook no matter how he's
>connected to the internet.

SNIP

try www.mail2web, might work.

In article <442a4f03$0$3593$(E-Mail Removed)>
Martin Underwood <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I have a "how do I set this up" question concerned with POP/SMTP email.
>
> A customer has a laptop which he sometimes uses at work (via ADSL to
> Wanadoo) and sometimes at home or in a hotel. He wants to be able to
> send/receive email using Outlook Express or Outlook no matter how he's
> connected to the internet.
>
> Receiving email is no problem: irrespective of the connection he can contact
> the POP server of the third-party company (not Wanadoo) which hosts his
> mailbox.
>
> But outgoing is more of a problem because of the restriction that you can
> normally only send via a server that belongs to the ISP by whom you are
> accessing the internet.
>
> The two possibilities are:
>
> 1. Use Wanadoo's SMTP server smtp.wanadoo.co.uk, specifiying that OE must
> authenticate when connecting to the server; normally this overcomes the
> "foreign ISP" restriction.
>
> 2. Use the SMTP server that corresponds to his POP server, again with SMTP
> authentication turned on.
>
> However both these fail because Wanadoo's security seems to be rather
> draconian.
>
<snip>

Two other solutions -

Run a SMTP server on the laptop - other servers may refuse to talk to it
because spammers use this technique

Run a SMTP proxy on a machine in the office and let him connect to the
Wanadoo server through that - make sure it's secure or spammers may find
it and abuse it.

norm wrote in message
(E-Mail Removed):

> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:10:22 +0100, "Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a "how do I set this up" question concerned with POP/SMTP
>> email.
>>
>> A customer has a laptop which he sometimes uses at work (via ADSL to
>> Wanadoo) and sometimes at home or in a hotel. He wants to be able to
>> send/receive email using Outlook Express or Outlook no matter how
>> he's connected to the internet.
>
> SNIP
>
> try www.mail2web, might work.

For the benefit of anyone else, it seems that this address should be
www.mail2web.com

This is a web interface, which is fine, especially if the ISP doesn't
provide one of its own.

However ideally I'm looking for a solution the customer's problem of using a
POP/SMTP program such as Outlook, and being able to send emails through the
same server no matter whether he's connected to Wandaoo (which blocks access
to all non-Wanadoo SMTP servers) or to any other ISP (which allow access to
the SMTP server associated with his POP one, but which can't be used to
access the Wanadoo server). Spot the Catch 22! Access to his POP server is
fine from anywhere; it's only SMTP that's the problem.

I know he could send from a web interface, but ideally he'd like a record of
all his outgoing emails in one central place in Outlook on his PC.

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2006 09:40:58 GMT, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
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>On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:10:22 +0100, "Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>>I have a "how do I set this up" question concerned with POP/SMTP email.
>>
>>A customer has a laptop which he sometimes uses at work (via ADSL to
>>Wanadoo) and sometimes at home or in a hotel. He wants to be able to
>>send/receive email using Outlook Express or Outlook no matter how he's
>>connected to the internet.
>
>SNIP
>
>try www.mail2web, might work.

"I don't really
want to have to recommend that he sends via a web interface because he
wants a consistent, professional setup which gives him offline access to
historical sent and received mail. "

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Rob Morley wrote:
> In article <442a4f03$0$3593$(E-Mail Removed)>
> Martin Underwood <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> I have a "how do I set this up" question concerned with POP/SMTP email.
>>
>> A customer has a laptop which he sometimes uses at work (via ADSL to
>> Wanadoo) and sometimes at home or in a hotel. He wants to be able to
>> send/receive email using Outlook Express or Outlook no matter how he's
>> connected to the internet.
>>
>> Receiving email is no problem: irrespective of the connection he can
>> contact
>> the POP server of the third-party company (not Wanadoo) which hosts his
>> mailbox.
>>
>> But outgoing is more of a problem because of the restriction that you can
>> normally only send via a server that belongs to the ISP by whom you are
>> accessing the internet.
>>
>> The two possibilities are:
>>
>> 1. Use Wanadoo's SMTP server smtp.wanadoo.co.uk, specifiying that OE must
>> authenticate when connecting to the server; normally this overcomes the
>> "foreign ISP" restriction.
>>
>> 2. Use the SMTP server that corresponds to his POP server, again with
>> SMTP
>> authentication turned on.
>>
>> However both these fail because Wanadoo's security seems to be rather
>> draconian.
>>
> <snip>
>
> Two other solutions -
>
> Run a SMTP server on the laptop - other servers may refuse to talk to it
> because spammers use this technique
>
> Run a SMTP proxy on a machine in the office and let him connect to the
> Wanadoo server through that - make sure it's secure or spammers may find
> it and abuse it.

Or find a hosting company that will allow you to use their smtp servers, for
probable about £10 a year, who wont block you..

Gaz

"Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) t...
[snip]
> Two other solutions -
>
> Run a SMTP server on the laptop - other servers may refuse to talk to it
> because spammers use this technique

Wanadoo's interference means you can't route mail when connected via
Wanadoo, regardless of whether the intended server would refuse it anyway.

> Run a SMTP proxy on a machine in the office and let him connect to the
> Wanadoo server through that - make sure it's secure or spammers may find
> it and abuse it.

It would probably make more sense to do as Gaz described and pay someone
else to run the server; this saves effort and avoids risk. But the server
must be accessible via a non-standard port to circumvent Wanadoo's
interference.

Alex

In message <442a7de5$0$6962$(E-Mail Removed)>, Martin
Underwood <a@b.?.invalid> writes
>However ideally I'm looking for a solution the customer's problem of using a
>POP/SMTP program such as Outlook, and being able to send emails through the
>same server no matter whether he's connected to Wandaoo (which blocks access
>to all non-Wanadoo SMTP servers) or to any other ISP (which allow access to
>the SMTP server associated with his POP one, but which can't be used to
>access the Wanadoo server).
Is this the same customer who wants the VPN? If it is, why not set him
up a cheap P3 machine with something like Mercury/32 and let him use the
IMAP server in said mail server from Outlook?
> Spot the Catch 22! Access to his POP server is
>fine from anywhere; it's only SMTP that's the problem.
Ditch Wanadoo, not because I can think of any particular ISP to replace
them with but at least get him with a business oriented ISP.
>
>I know he could send from a web interface, but ideally he'd like a record of
>all his outgoing emails in one central place in Outlook on his PC.
>
>

--
Clint Sharp

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >
Alex Fraser <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) t...
> [snip]
> > Two other solutions -
> >
> > Run a SMTP server on the laptop - other servers may refuse to talk to it
> > because spammers use this technique
>
> Wanadoo's interference means you can't route mail when connected via
> Wanadoo, regardless of whether the intended server would refuse it anyway.

You mean they're selectively blocking internet connections to certain
ports?
>
> > Run a SMTP proxy on a machine in the office and let him connect to the
> > Wanadoo server through that - make sure it's secure or spammers may find
> > it and abuse it.
>
> It would probably make more sense to do as Gaz described and pay someone
> else to run the server; this saves effort and avoids risk. But the server
> must be accessible via a non-standard port to circumvent Wanadoo's
> interference.
>
I guess you do mean that.

"Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:442a4f03$0$3593$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> So I'm a bit stuck: I can't use Wanadoo's SMTP server because this is only
> accessible from a Wanadoo connection, and I can't use a non-Wanadoo server
> because this isn't accessible from Wanadoo. Any suggestions? I don't
> really want to have to recommend that he sends via a web interface
> because he wants a consistent, professional setup which gives him offline
> access to historical sent and received mail.
>

Create 2 accounts in Outlook Express. One account using the Wanadoo's SMTP
server and the other with all the same details using your preferred
non-Wanadoo server. Only use the first account to get email from the POP3
server so you only get one lot of mail.

If you're elsewhere in the world use the second (non Wanadoo) account in the
drop down "from:" in the create mail window.

Not ideal but it would work and if there was any error you'd get to see the
problem as soon as you tried sending the email.