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      06-27-2007, 10:37 AM
Folks,

I know that newer high-end Laptops have a wake on wireless lan feature, to
enable remote patching of software for example. Called WOWLAN

Does anyone know if this is possible the other way round? I want my Desktop
PC to wake up from standby mode when I switch on my Laptop, and when the
Laptop is switched off the desktop would then have to go into standby mode.
The laptop is fitted with a wireless PCMCIA card. The desktop would have to
have a wireless adaptor with WOL function, but I don't know if this is
possible or how to do it. Maybe a wireless cable router could be utilised in
some way connected to the desktop with a cable to a non-wireless lan
adaptor?

Thanks

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      06-28-2007, 10:02 PM
"Neil" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I know that newer high-end Laptops have a wake on wireless lan feature,
> to enable remote patching of software for example. Called WOWLAN
>
> Does anyone know if this is possible the other way round? I want my
> Desktop PC to wake up from standby mode when I switch on my Laptop, and
> when the Laptop is switched off the desktop would then have to go into
> standby mode.


WoWLAN is essentially the same as "ordinary" WoL used with wired
connections; there is nothing that physically prevents a desktop fitted with
a PCI wireless network card from supporting WoWLAN. That said, I don't know
if any cards support WoWLAN, whereas support for WoL is almost universal for
onboard Ethernet and common for PCI Ethernet cards.

You still need to arrange for the waking/sleeping to happen as you describe,
but that is a seperate issue.

> The laptop is fitted with a wireless PCMCIA card. The desktop would have
> to have a wireless adaptor with WOL function, but I don't know if this is
> possible or how to do it. Maybe a wireless cable router could be utilised
> in some way connected to the desktop with a cable to a non-wireless lan
> adaptor?


Possibly. Are there bits of network stuff you haven't mentioned? (Other
computers, router, switches, hubs etc.) If so, please describe.

Alex


 
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      06-29-2007, 10:54 AM

"Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Neil" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> I know that newer high-end Laptops have a wake on wireless lan feature,
>> to enable remote patching of software for example. Called WOWLAN
>>
>> Does anyone know if this is possible the other way round? I want my
>> Desktop PC to wake up from standby mode when I switch on my Laptop, and
>> when the Laptop is switched off the desktop would then have to go into
>> standby mode.

>
> WoWLAN is essentially the same as "ordinary" WoL used with wired
> connections; there is nothing that physically prevents a desktop fitted
> with a PCI wireless network card from supporting WoWLAN. That said, I
> don't know if any cards support WoWLAN, whereas support for WoL is almost
> universal for onboard Ethernet and common for PCI Ethernet cards.
>
> You still need to arrange for the waking/sleeping to happen as you
> describe, but that is a seperate issue.
>
>> The laptop is fitted with a wireless PCMCIA card. The desktop would have
>> to have a wireless adaptor with WOL function, but I don't know if this is
>> possible or how to do it. Maybe a wireless cable router could be utilised
>> in some way connected to the desktop with a cable to a non-wireless lan
>> adaptor?

>
> Possibly. Are there bits of network stuff you haven't mentioned? (Other
> computers, router, switches, hubs etc.) If so, please describe.
>
> Alex
>


Thanks Alex,
I only want to use a desktop WOWLAN feature if it is fairly simple and
inexpensive, as my cable connection with WOL is satisfactory for most
purposes.

My 'network' is just the desktop (upstairs study) and laptop (downstairs
lounge) talking directly. There are no hubs, switches or routers etc. I have
a BB cable modem connected to my desktop loaded with my main software, and
laptop has minimual software, both run XP Pro. I network the two machines
directly using either a cat 5 crossover cable or an ad-hoc wireless network
(wireless pci adaptor and wireless pcmcia adaptor) depending on what I want
at the time. I may connect the laptop to the internet using Internet
Connection Sharing so the desktop talks to the ISP. With the cable connected
my desktop wakes and automatically reverts to standby when I switch the
laptop on and off (eg. for Remote Desktop use) by the normal WOL function. I
wish to use the desktop wake/standby thing without the cable, using wireless
only. I think I may have to incorporate a wireless router near to the
desktop, and connect it directly to the desktop lan adaptor by a short cable
so as to continue to use WOL. I would then probably remove the desktop
wireless adaptor. When the laptop is switched on the wireless router would
have to pick up the signal and bring the desktop out of standby using WOL,
when the laptop is switched off the wireless router would then detect the
absence of signal from laptop and allow the desktop to revert to standby
mode again. Therefore the system would function exactly as if I was still
using the cable connection.

Alternatively, could I somehow put one of Intel's mini-pci wireless wowlan
cards in my _desktop_ in place of the wireless adaptor, thereby avoiding
the need for a wireless router? If this can be done I would prefer it to
using a separate wireless router.

Cheers

Neil



 
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      07-02-2007, 06:08 PM
"Neil" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> My 'network' is just the desktop (upstairs study) and laptop (downstairs
> lounge) talking directly. There are no hubs, switches or routers etc. I
> have a BB cable modem connected to my desktop loaded with my main
> software, and laptop has minimual software, both run XP Pro. I network
> the two machines directly using either a cat 5 crossover cable or an
> ad-hoc wireless network (wireless pci adaptor and wireless pcmcia
> adaptor) depending on what I want at the time. I may connect the laptop
> to the internet using Internet Connection Sharing so the desktop talks to
> the ISP. With the cable connected my desktop wakes and automatically
> reverts to standby when I switch the laptop on and off (eg. for Remote
> Desktop use) by the normal WOL function.


While WoL is a standard method to generate a wake-up event, there is no
complementary "Sleep on LAN" so I don't understand how the desktop
"automatically reverts to standby".

> I wish to use the desktop wake/standby thing without the cable, using
> wireless only. I think I may have to incorporate a wireless router near
> to the desktop, and connect it directly to the desktop lan adaptor by a
> short cable so as to continue to use WOL.


This seems like the best solution. WoWLAN requires the hardware to be
capable of maintaining the wireless connection; due to cost, I strongly
suspect this is normally done in software (in the driver). Probable result:
most cards physically cannot support WoWLAN, and those that do will be
priced similar to (if not more expensive than) Ethernet-WAN (Cable)
wireless-enabled routers.

Alex


 
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      07-02-2007, 09:22 PM

"Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Neil" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> [snip]
>> My 'network' is just the desktop (upstairs study) and laptop (downstairs
>> lounge) talking directly. There are no hubs, switches or routers etc. I
>> have a BB cable modem connected to my desktop loaded with my main
>> software, and laptop has minimual software, both run XP Pro. I network
>> the two machines directly using either a cat 5 crossover cable or an
>> ad-hoc wireless network (wireless pci adaptor and wireless pcmcia
>> adaptor) depending on what I want at the time. I may connect the laptop
>> to the internet using Internet Connection Sharing so the desktop talks to
>> the ISP. With the cable connected my desktop wakes and automatically
>> reverts to standby when I switch the laptop on and off (eg. for Remote
>> Desktop use) by the normal WOL function.

>
> While WoL is a standard method to generate a wake-up event, there is no
> complementary "Sleep on LAN" so I don't understand how the desktop
> "automatically reverts to standby".


I use a program called "Switch Off" whaich can be used to switch
off/standby/hibernate etc other machines across a network, using a web
interface.

 
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      07-03-2007, 04:01 PM
" Nel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Neil" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> [snip]
>>> My 'network' is just the desktop (upstairs study) and laptop (downstairs
>>> lounge) talking directly. There are no hubs, switches or routers etc. I
>>> have a BB cable modem connected to my desktop loaded with my main
>>> software, and laptop has minimual software, both run XP Pro. I network
>>> the two machines directly using either a cat 5 crossover cable or an
>>> ad-hoc wireless network (wireless pci adaptor and wireless pcmcia
>>> adaptor) depending on what I want at the time. I may connect the laptop
>>> to the internet using Internet Connection Sharing so the desktop talks
>>> to
>>> the ISP. With the cable connected my desktop wakes and automatically
>>> reverts to standby when I switch the laptop on and off (eg. for Remote
>>> Desktop use) by the normal WOL function.

>>
>> While WoL is a standard method to generate a wake-up event, there is no
>> complementary "Sleep on LAN" so I don't understand how the desktop
>> "automatically reverts to standby".

>
> I use a program called "Switch Off" whaich can be used to switch
> off/standby/hibernate etc other machines across a network, using a web
> interface.


Sorry, I should have emphasised "automatically" - that was what I was
questioning.

Alex


 
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