VPN between 2 subnets

Hi all,

I have the below situation as below and I have pratically running out of
ideals what is causing this.
1) A IPSEC VPN connection has been mode between my office and warehouse using
hardware vpn router.
2) The VPN connection is successfully created, with both side has allowed
all services to allow to run between my_office and my_warehouse.
3) I use vnc and pcanywhere to connect from my_office's pc to my_warehouse's
pc. And the remote connection is ok.
4) Once I try to do a file transfer or open network neighborhood at the
my_remote site, the software just stop responding.
5) While at it, I do a 'ping 10.10.11.x -t' and the respone doesn't stop
sending reply msg. So there should not be a VPN issue?
6) After the remote software stop responding, I can still reconnect again.
Doesn't seems to be the remote software issue either.

a) Previously I used to do a dial-up RAS and use pcanywhere to do this. I
have no problem then.
b) Network situation as below;
my_office is using Windows 2003 with ip address range of 10.10.10.x and
subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
my_warehouse is using Windows NT4 with ip address range of 10.10.11.x and
subnet mask of 255.255.255.0


My router vendor says that is because of MS Networking was not design to run
over two separate subnet.

Need help guys

>
> My router vendor says that is because of MS Networking was not design to run
> over two separate subnet.
>

They right. MS Networking relays on broadcast packets. But you can
install WINS server at one of the subnets (or enable forwarding of
broadcasts).


--
With best regards
Nickolay Domukhovsky, MCSA

As Nick said, the computer browser service relies on broadcasts, so it
usually doesn't work across routers or WAN links. It will probably work if
you set up a WINS server and have the machines in both networks register
with WINS. This only works if you have at least one domain controller. It
won't work if you are using workgroups.


"Nick Domukhovsky" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> My router vendor says that is because of MS Networking was not design to
>> run
>> over two separate subnet.
>>
>
> They right. MS Networking relays on broadcast packets. But you can
> install WINS server at one of the subnets (or enable forwarding of
> broadcasts).
>
>
> --
> With best regards
> Nickolay Domukhovsky, MCSA

Bill and Nick,

thanks for your effort in helping me.

My first option will be setting up a WINS server at my_office at see what
happen next. By the way, could you point me some web-links that provide
pratical example on this cause this is the first time I use a WINS service.

thanks,

"Bill Grant" wrote:

> As Nick said, the computer browser service relies on broadcasts, so it
> usually doesn't work across routers or WAN links. It will probably work if
> you set up a WINS server and have the machines in both networks register
> with WINS. This only works if you have at least one domain controller. It
> won't work if you are using workgroups.
>
>
> "Nick Domukhovsky" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>
> >> My router vendor says that is because of MS Networking was not design to
> >> run
> >> over two separate subnet.
> >>
> >
> > They right. MS Networking relays on broadcast packets. But you can
> > install WINS server at one of the subnets (or enable forwarding of
> > broadcasts).
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best regards
> > Nickolay Domukhovsky, MCSA
>
>
>

You basically just "turn it on". WINS is extremely simple.
You only need one, but more is ok if done properly.
Assuming just one,...just have all machines in all subnets use it.
It doesn't matter what subnet it is in,...doesn't matter what subnet the clients
are on.

--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or
anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
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"Kent" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:7A62C5BD-EDEE-4E0C-BCE5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Bill and Nick,
>
> thanks for your effort in helping me.
>
> My first option will be setting up a WINS server at my_office at see what
> happen next. By the way, could you point me some web-links that provide
> pratical example on this cause this is the first time I use a WINS service.
>
> thanks,
>
> "Bill Grant" wrote:
>
>> As Nick said, the computer browser service relies on broadcasts, so it
>> usually doesn't work across routers or WAN links. It will probably work if
>> you set up a WINS server and have the machines in both networks register
>> with WINS. This only works if you have at least one domain controller. It
>> won't work if you are using workgroups.
>>
>>
>> "Nick Domukhovsky" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >>
>> >> My router vendor says that is because of MS Networking was not design to
>> >> run
>> >> over two separate subnet.
>> >>
>> >
>> > They right. MS Networking relays on broadcast packets. But you can
>> > install WINS server at one of the subnets (or enable forwarding of
>> > broadcasts).
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > With best regards
>> > Nickolay Domukhovsky, MCSA
>>
>>
>>

Hi guys,

Here is what I have done.

1) Start the WINS server service at my_office server.
2) Change the TCP/IP configuration for my_warehouse pc ( client, not server
) under WINS and add WINS Server IP address.
3) After a while, I could see WINS server has some update been done(a new pc
name from my_warehouse been added).
4) I tried to perform files transfer but the outcome still fails.

Is there anything that I have been missing or crutial steps that need to be
done? Or is there a way I can check and be sure that everything is in order?
If so, do let me know so that I can further isolate error possibilities for
my case.

Many thanks.


"Kent" wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have the below situation as below and I have pratically running out of
> ideals what is causing this.
> 1) A IPSEC VPN connection has been mode between my office and warehouse using
> hardware vpn router.
> 2) The VPN connection is successfully created, with both side has allowed
> all services to allow to run between my_office and my_warehouse.
> 3) I use vnc and pcanywhere to connect from my_office's pc to my_warehouse's
> pc. And the remote connection is ok.
> 4) Once I try to do a file transfer or open network neighborhood at the
> my_remote site, the software just stop responding.
> 5) While at it, I do a 'ping 10.10.11.x -t' and the respone doesn't stop
> sending reply msg. So there should not be a VPN issue?
> 6) After the remote software stop responding, I can still reconnect again.
> Doesn't seems to be the remote software issue either.
>
> a) Previously I used to do a dial-up RAS and use pcanywhere to do this. I
> have no problem then.
> b) Network situation as below;
> my_office is using Windows 2003 with ip address range of 10.10.10.x and
> subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> my_warehouse is using Windows NT4 with ip address range of 10.10.11.x and
> subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
>
>
> My router vendor says that is because of MS Networking was not design to run
> over two separate subnet.
>
> Need help guys

You will need to make ALL machines in both subnets WINS clients, not just
your workstation.

"Kent" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:67754BA1-C150-4F8F-98B2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi guys,
>
> Here is what I have done.
>
> 1) Start the WINS server service at my_office server.
> 2) Change the TCP/IP configuration for my_warehouse pc ( client, not
> server
> ) under WINS and add WINS Server IP address.
> 3) After a while, I could see WINS server has some update been done(a new
> pc
> name from my_warehouse been added).
> 4) I tried to perform files transfer but the outcome still fails.
>
> Is there anything that I have been missing or crutial steps that need to
> be
> done? Or is there a way I can check and be sure that everything is in
> order?
> If so, do let me know so that I can further isolate error possibilities
> for
> my case.
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
> "Kent" wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have the below situation as below and I have pratically running out of
>> ideals what is causing this.
>> 1) A IPSEC VPN connection has been mode between my office and warehouse
>> using
>> hardware vpn router.
>> 2) The VPN connection is successfully created, with both side has allowed
>> all services to allow to run between my_office and my_warehouse.
>> 3) I use vnc and pcanywhere to connect from my_office's pc to
>> my_warehouse's
>> pc. And the remote connection is ok.
>> 4) Once I try to do a file transfer or open network neighborhood at the
>> my_remote site, the software just stop responding.
>> 5) While at it, I do a 'ping 10.10.11.x -t' and the respone doesn't stop
>> sending reply msg. So there should not be a VPN issue?
>> 6) After the remote software stop responding, I can still reconnect
>> again.
>> Doesn't seems to be the remote software issue either.
>>
>> a) Previously I used to do a dial-up RAS and use pcanywhere to do this. I
>> have no problem then.
>> b) Network situation as below;
>> my_office is using Windows 2003 with ip address range of 10.10.10.x
>> and
>> subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
>> my_warehouse is using Windows NT4 with ip address range of 10.10.11.x
>> and
>> subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
>>
>>
>> My router vendor says that is because of MS Networking was not design to
>> run
>> over two separate subnet.
>>
>> Need help guys

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for my late reply on this as I was outstation.
So, I have tried adding all machines in both subnet WINS clients my_office
server
but still having the same problem. My router vendor came in and plug his
notebook into my network and it just work fine without even adding WINS.
According to him, connection by ip address does not necessary require a WINS
and the VPN connection works fine. Though he still unable to find out why his
computer have no problem with this and all my computer in my_office fails.

Any ideals?


"Bill Grant" wrote:

> You will need to make ALL machines in both subnets WINS clients, not just
> your workstation.
>
> "Kent" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:67754BA1-C150-4F8F-98B2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Here is what I have done.
> >
> > 1) Start the WINS server service at my_office server.
> > 2) Change the TCP/IP configuration for my_warehouse pc ( client, not
> > server
> > ) under WINS and add WINS Server IP address.
> > 3) After a while, I could see WINS server has some update been done(a new
> > pc
> > name from my_warehouse been added).
> > 4) I tried to perform files transfer but the outcome still fails.
> >
> > Is there anything that I have been missing or crutial steps that need to
> > be
> > done? Or is there a way I can check and be sure that everything is in
> > order?
> > If so, do let me know so that I can further isolate error possibilities
> > for
> > my case.
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> >
> > "Kent" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have the below situation as below and I have pratically running out of
> >> ideals what is causing this.
> >> 1) A IPSEC VPN connection has been mode between my office and warehouse
> >> using
> >> hardware vpn router.
> >> 2) The VPN connection is successfully created, with both side has allowed
> >> all services to allow to run between my_office and my_warehouse.
> >> 3) I use vnc and pcanywhere to connect from my_office's pc to
> >> my_warehouse's
> >> pc. And the remote connection is ok.
> >> 4) Once I try to do a file transfer or open network neighborhood at the
> >> my_remote site, the software just stop responding.
> >> 5) While at it, I do a 'ping 10.10.11.x -t' and the respone doesn't stop
> >> sending reply msg. So there should not be a VPN issue?
> >> 6) After the remote software stop responding, I can still reconnect
> >> again.
> >> Doesn't seems to be the remote software issue either.
> >>
> >> a) Previously I used to do a dial-up RAS and use pcanywhere to do this. I
> >> have no problem then.
> >> b) Network situation as below;
> >> my_office is using Windows 2003 with ip address range of 10.10.10.x
> >> and
> >> subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> >> my_warehouse is using Windows NT4 with ip address range of 10.10.11.x
> >> and
> >> subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> >>
> >>
> >> My router vendor says that is because of MS Networking was not design to
> >> run
> >> over two separate subnet.
> >>
> >> Need help guys
>
>
>