Vista & double NAT

Well I bit the bullet & started to play with Vista today, only to
find, unlike all the XP machines it will not access the internet from
behind my Firebox, nslookup fails with my routers IP port 53 & then
times out. By connecting it direct to my router it's connecting.

So putting it as simple as I can I have a router where I have turned
off DHCP & put an IP into the DMZ, that IP is the external IP of my
Firebox. As said before I cannot access the web from behind the
Firebox (DNS is being blocked) but if & take the Firebox out of the
equation it can, although all the other PCs are perfectly happy
running via the Firebox.

A clue please (well it makes a change from the ongoing PN saga & I may
just learn something useful)

"kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Well I bit the bullet & started to play with Vista today, only to find,
> unlike all the XP machines it will not access the internet from behind my
> Firebox, nslookup fails with my routers IP port 53 & then times out. By
> connecting it direct to my router it's connecting.
>
> So putting it as simple as I can I have a router where I have turned off
> DHCP & put an IP into the DMZ, that IP is the external IP of my Firebox.
> As said before I cannot access the web from behind the Firebox (DNS is
> being blocked) but if & take the Firebox out of the equation it can,
> although all the other PCs are perfectly happy running via the Firebox.
>
> A clue please (well it makes a change from the ongoing PN saga & I may
> just learn something useful)
>
>

you might try microsoft.public.windows.vista.security for a more informed
answer.

P.

Can't answer your actual question, I'm afraid, but if your previous system
wasn't broke, why fix it?

I haven't even moved from W2k to XP as the former does everything I need it
to do, while the latter put my CPU into 100% even after I'd applied the fix
that was supposed to cure that ... and I'm not keen on the Fisher Price look
either.

There are many reasons not to upgrade to Vista, and very few to do so, as
explained here ...

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ista_cost.html

"kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Well I bit the bullet & started to play with Vista today, only to
> find ...

Java Jive wrote:
> Can't answer your actual question, I'm afraid, but if your previous
> system wasn't broke, why fix it?
>
> I haven't even moved from W2k to XP as the former does everything I
> need it to do, while the latter put my CPU into 100% even after I'd
> applied the fix that was supposed to cure that ... and I'm not keen
> on the Fisher Price look either.
>
> There are many reasons not to upgrade to Vista, and very few to do
> so, as explained here ...
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ista_cost.html
>
> "kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:esd7f3$vvi$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Well I bit the bullet & started to play with Vista today, only to
>> find ...

I know exactly what you mean, but seeing as I have a bit of time on my
hands (2-3 weeks recuperation after an op) I'd thought I'd have a play
on a spare machine (well one I've not got a great use for at the
moment). After looking at the newsgroup I have been pointed to (as
well as my Live 5.1 soundcard, the one which Creative said would never
be outmoded as all they would have to do is upgrade the firmware,
isn't supported anymore) I think I may as well revert as everybody &
their dog, cat, mother, sister etc appear to be having problems with
one aspect of networking or another & there aren't any answers
forthcoming, yet. Another reason is the hit on resources (yes I know
I was told) just sitting there with most of the dross removed is still
taking 25% out of 2GB ram.. I've even reinstalled it (remembering some
of the problems I had in the early days of XP) & that didn't solve it
(can't activate it as I can't get on line to do so).

Oh well I'll play for a few more hours but I think the general
consensus is correct (sometimes they are wrong you know)

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:31:54 -0000, "Java Jive" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>I haven't even moved from W2k to XP as the former does everything I need it
>to do,
I suppose there are still people in the country who say the tin bath
in front of the fire and an outside loo does everything they need it
to do but some of us like to move with the times .

J Clavox wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:31:54 -0000, "Java Jive" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I haven't even moved from W2k to XP as the former does everything
>> I need it to do,
> I suppose there are still people in the country who say the tin bath
> in front of the fire and an outside loo does everything they need it
> to do but some of us like to move with the times .

But as I'm finding out.....there is moving with the times or just
getting off the train.

Vista at the moment (for me & aparently quite a large number of other
attempted users) is like getting off the train. It stops you doing
what you can easily do with XP & the wonderful 90 day free tech
support is only after registration & with so many people being unable
to get on line/their networks working is totally useless.

There is no reason why Vista shouldn't be able to be 'slotted in' into
a network in place of an XP machine, configured the same way as the XP
machine & work. As it stands it doesn't, how do you think the
coperations are going to think when they find it doesn't work...that's
one chunk of the market gone straight away (remember there are still a
significant number of businesses out there who are still runing 98SE
because it works)

Just because something is new, more complicated & has got pretty
themes doesn't make it better or a step forward. The old maxim, the
more complicated the more there is to go wrong does spring to mind.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:35:05 UTC, J Clavox <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:31:54 -0000, "Java Jive" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >I haven't even moved from W2k to XP as the former does everything I need it
> >to do,
> I suppose there are still people in the country who say the tin bath
> in front of the fire and an outside loo does everything they need it
> to do but some of us like to move with the times .

Try playing perfectly legal DVDs on Vista.

Your attitudes haven't kept pace, anyway.
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"J Clavox" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:31:54 -0000, "Java Jive" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> I suppose there are still people in the country who say the tin bath
> in front of the fire

Been there done that. Except that it wasn't the luxury of being in front of
the fire, it was outside the back door in the frosts of winter with the
water freezing as it overflowed onto the ground. If I made the water so hot
that I could only just ease myself into it, and had a spare bucket to top-up
with, I reckoned I had about 10-15 minutes to complete my bath before I
started to get really cold.

But to return to the point, going with the latest fashion just because it's
the latest fashion is not the same thing as moving with the times ...

Fashion is just a way of parting the gullible from their money, but it also
has quite damaging side-effects. So many stores are competing for the same
business that the resulting low profit margins results in them not keeping
meaningful amounts of stock, so perfectly good products become useless
because you can't maintain them, and people like myself who take trousers
with 36" inside leg can't clothe ourselves any more (so we couldn't actually
wear the latest fashion even if we wanted to).

Is there a Sinclair C5 in your garage by any chance? Do you have a Betamax
VCR, a quadrophonic audio system from the 70s, or a multitrack tape-recorder
none of which you can obtain media for? How many things around you now did
you first see on historically on Tomorrow's World? How many things featured
on Tomorrow's World can you buy in the shops now?

Some of us feel that we already spend too much of our lives p*ssing about
with technology that isn't fully operational yet, that it gets in the way of
real life. Why give oneself a headache about something that you don't
actually *need*?!

At best, Vista, like every other fashion of Windows, will be here today and
gone to-morrow. At worst, it might just prove to be such a damp squib that
Microsoft burns their fingers badly, which I rather hope. For example,
whatever happened to processor IDs?

I only upgrade when I need to, and I usually manage to miss out at least
every other re-incarnation of Windows, which at least halves the time
wasted. I'm also trying to find a Linux that I can live with ...

At the end of the day, I'd rather spend my time doing something useful with
my PC, rather than it taking up more of my time for its own sake, as it does
far too much already.

"Java Jive" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Been there done that. Except that it wasn't the luxury of being
> in front of the fire, it was outside the back door in the frosts
> of winter with the water freezing as it overflowed onto the
> ground. If I made the water so hot that I could only just ease
> myself into it, and had a spare bucket to top-up with, I
> reckoned I had about 10-15 minutes to complete my bath before I
> started to get really cold.
>

Back door! We used to *dream* of having a back door.

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half
an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work
twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for
permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our
mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing
Hallelujah.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they
won't believe you.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:29:42 -0000, "Java Jive" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


> people like myself who take trousers
>with 36" inside leg can't clothe ourselves any more (so we couldn't actually
>wear the latest fashion even if we wanted to).
Where on earth do you buy 36's from there is only "George" around
these parts that can supply me with a 33 .

>At best, Vista, like every other fashion of Windows, will be here today and
>gone to-morrow.

I happen to like Vista and no other version of windows has ever
pleased me quite has much and I have every one from workgroups .
> I'm also trying to find a Linux that I can live with ...

I have tried several and each as ended up in the bin .


>At the end of the day, I'd rather spend my time doing something useful with
>my PC, rather than it taking up more of my time for its own sake, as it does
>far too much already.

Each to his own I suppose .