Virgin Medias new Deal/Steal

On Sat, 05 May 2007 00:49:39 +0100, Bert wrote:

>> Its sold as a 2M *unlimited* service.
>
> As has been repeated at nauseam for years and years on every forum on the
> net - "unlimited"[1] refers to access not data,

NO.

NTL and VM consistantly advertised that users could download as much as
they wanted. That there were no download limits. The sign-up pages stated
this.

This cap is a way for Virgin Media to get their 20 meg service out on the
cheap. VM know that 99% of users will never read or find this "traffic
management" web page but will continue to read all the lies about
"unlimited downloads" at Virgin Media's sign-up page. They (Virgin Media)
know that 99% of users will never notice that their speeds may have
dropped from max to max/2 intentionally where max is what they have
contracted to pay for.

It's sneaky and it's theft.

see:
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/webs...ervice.do?id=2
where Virgin media say "no download limits".

then see their AUP page where no mention of "traffic management can
be found"
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...ptableuse.html

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"Dead Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 May 2007 00:49:39 +0100, Bert wrote:
>
>>> Its sold as a 2M *unlimited* service.
>>
>> As has been repeated at nauseam for years and years on every forum on
>> the
>> net - "unlimited"[1] refers to access not data,
>
> NO.
>
> NTL and VM consistantly advertised that users could download as much
> as
> they wanted. That there were no download limits. The sign-up pages
> stated
> this.
>
> This cap is a way for Virgin Media to get their 20 meg service out on
> the
> cheap. VM know that 99% of users will never read or find this "traffic
> management" web page but will continue to read all the lies about
> "unlimited downloads" at Virgin Media's sign-up page. They (Virgin
> Media)
> know that 99% of users will never notice that their speeds may have
> dropped from max to max/2 intentionally where max is what they have
> contracted to pay for.
>
> It's sneaky and it's theft.
>
> see:
> http://allyours.virginmedia.com/webs...ervice.do?id=2
> where Virgin media say "no download limits".
>
> then see their AUP page where no mention of "traffic management can
> be found"
> http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...ptableuse.html


There's a lot of discussion about that in the broadband forums.
You can start from their homepage and click on the links for broadband,
follow them all through, and never find anything about these new
restrictions to the service.
Conclusion: lies, lies, and deceipt.

Forget that this is a big company, let's pretend that it's run by 2
super heroes, Batman and Robin.
They are sellin this product, but are deliberately not tellin anyone who
buys this product and signs a 12 month contract, about this restriction
in place.
It's not something they're thinkin of doin in the future, so no need to
tell anyone.
It's not something that only affects certain areas, so no need to tell
anyone.
It's something that is part of the contract you sign up to, so the
customer shud be able to see it.
It's not, it is intentionally not there to see.

Dead Paul wrote:

> On Sat, 05 May 2007 00:49:39 +0100, Bert wrote:
>
> >> Its sold as a 2M *unlimited* service.
> >
> > As has been repeated at nauseam for years and years on every forum on the
> > net - "unlimited"[1] refers to access not data,
>
> NO.
>
> NTL and VM consistantly advertised that users could download as much as
> they wanted. That there were no download limits. The sign-up pages stated
> this.
>
> This cap is a way for Virgin Media to get their 20 meg service out on the
> cheap. VM know that 99% of users will never read or find this "traffic
> management" web page but will continue to read all the lies about
> "unlimited downloads" at Virgin Media's sign-up page. They (Virgin Media)
> know that 99% of users will never notice that their speeds may have
> dropped from max to max/2 intentionally where max is what they have
> contracted to pay for.
>
> It's sneaky and it's theft.
>
> see:
> http://allyours.virginmedia.com/webs...ervice.do?id=2
> where Virgin media say "no download limits".
>
> then see their AUP page where no mention of "traffic management can
> be found"
> http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...ptableuse.html

It's not a cap though.

Graham

Gonz wrote:

> the customer shud be able to see it.

Do you have an aversion to spelling words correctly (and using the letter g too)
?

Graham

"Eeyore" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>
> It's not a cap though.

But as long as we know you agree with the rest of the post, that's all
that matters.

"Eeyore" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>
> Gonz wrote:
>
>> the customer shud be able to see it.
>
> Do you have an aversion to spelling words correctly (and using the
> letter g too)
> ?

Please stay on topic.

On Sat, 5 May 2007 09:55:34 UTC, Eeyore
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Gonz wrote:
>
> > the customer shud be able to see it.
>
> Do you have an aversion to spelling words correctly (and using the letter g too)
> ?

Yes, he does. Especially the loss of the trailin (sic) 'g'. I expect he
thinks it makes him look 'kewl'....

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On Sat, 05 May 2007 10:50:21 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

>
>
> Dead Paul wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 May 2007 00:49:39 +0100, Bert wrote:
>>
>> >> Its sold as a 2M *unlimited* service.
>> >
>> > As has been repeated at nauseam for years and years on every forum on
>> > the net - "unlimited"[1] refers to access not data,
>>
>> NO.
>>
>> NTL and VM consistantly advertised that users could download as much as
>> they wanted. That there were no download limits. The sign-up pages
>> stated this.
>>
>> This cap is a way for Virgin Media to get their 20 meg service out on
>> the cheap. VM know that 99% of users will never read or find this
>> "traffic management" web page but will continue to read all the lies
>> about "unlimited downloads" at Virgin Media's sign-up page. They (Virgin
>> Media) know that 99% of users will never notice that their speeds may
>> have dropped from max to max/2 intentionally where max is what they have
>> contracted to pay for.
>>
>> It's sneaky and it's theft.
>>
>> see:
>> http://allyours.virginmedia.com/webs...ervice.do?id=2 where Virgin
>> media say "no download limits".
>>
>> then see their AUP page where no mention of "traffic management can be
>> found"
>> http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...ptableuse.html
>
> It's not a cap though.

It is a temporary cap within so called peak useage hours.

Anyhow, you watch, this will be the beginning of worse to come.

>
> Graham

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"Bob Eager" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 May 2007 09:55:34 UTC, Eeyore
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Gonz wrote:
>>
>> > the customer shud be able to see it.
>>
>> Do you have an aversion to spelling words correctly (and using the
>> letter g too)
>> ?
>
> Yes, he does. Especially the loss of the trailin (sic) 'g'. I expect
> he
> thinks it makes him look 'kewl'....

Mornin Bob, wicked post, Bob.

On Sat, 5 May 2007 10:30:24 UTC, "Gonz" <T o p @ S e c r e t . c o m>
wrote:

>
> "Bob Eager" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > On Sat, 5 May 2007 09:55:34 UTC, Eeyore
> > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >> Gonz wrote:
> >>
> >> > the customer shud be able to see it.
> >>
> >> Do you have an aversion to spelling words correctly (and using the
> >> letter g too)
> >> ?
> >
> > Yes, he does. Especially the loss of the trailin (sic) 'g'. I expect
> > he
> > thinks it makes him look 'kewl'....
>
> Mornin Bob, wicked post, Bob.

Q.E.D.

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to give concise answers, express reasoned argument or opinion.
Usually accompanied by silly noises and gestures - incurable, early
euthanasia recommended. ]