Virgin Media throttling Usenet

A lot of people are reportin throttled speeds on Usenet servers.
Not everyone, just a lot.
Not most, just a lot.

I wonder if it's part of ongoing trials bein done by Virgin Media?
I Wonder if they'll be rollin it out all across the network soon?
I wonder if Alex can tell us that they're not doin it?

Gonz wrote:
> A lot of people are reportin throttled speeds on Usenet servers.
> Not everyone, just a lot.
> Not most, just a lot.
>
> I wonder if it's part of ongoing trials bein done by Virgin Media?
> I Wonder if they'll be rollin it out all across the network soon?
> I wonder if Alex can tell us that they're not doin it?


Alex will indeed probably tell you they are not doing it, even though they
could well be doing it.

Only after several weeks and many complaints later will he fess up that it
is happening.

It happened with STM, look how many times he denied it, eventually had to
fess up.

Shame that you can't believe a word someone says anymore.


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"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Gonz wrote:
>> A lot of people are reportin throttled speeds on Usenet servers.
>> Not everyone, just a lot.
>> Not most, just a lot.
>>
>> I wonder if it's part of ongoing trials bein done by Virgin Media?
>> I Wonder if they'll be rollin it out all across the network soon?
>> I wonder if Alex can tell us that they're not doin it?
>
>
> Alex will indeed probably tell you they are not doing it, even though
> they could well be doing it.
>
> Only after several weeks and many complaints later will he fess up
> that it is happening.
>
> It happened with STM, look how many times he denied it, eventually had
> to fess up.
>
> Shame that you can't believe a word someone says anymore.

Well Alex is the one person that *does* know.
If he chooses to deny it again, and it turns out that they actually were
at the time of people querying it, then that's up to him.

The only thing that is different now to last time, is that people are
queryin at 25p a minute )

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:10:27 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> wrote:


>Alex will indeed probably tell you they are not doing it, even though they
>could well be doing it.

Yes indeed Alex has been caught out a few times lying and he is still
insisting he did not lie about STM actually I do not think he would
recognize the truth if it slapped him in the face .

"Gonz" <T o p @ S e c r e t . c o m> wrote in message
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>A lot of people are reportin throttled speeds on Usenet servers.
> Not everyone, just a lot.
> Not most, just a lot.
>
> I wonder if it's part of ongoing trials bein done by Virgin Media?
> I Wonder if they'll be rollin it out all across the network soon?
> I wonder if Alex can tell us that they're not doin it?

Where have you been? It has been happening for ages, at least a year now in
various locations.
It's not just on news servers. It's nothing more than packet shaping to
stop some of the pirates constantly downloading gigabytes of data all day
every day.
Virgin hasn't got a good enough network to cope and don't like to admit they
and other ISPs haven't kept up with the way people now use the Internet.
Virgin has advised customers and put items of news on the site previously.
Contact them directly - don't rely on info from someone claiming to work for
them. It's often incorrect as they often only work in a call centre and
have little knowledge.

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:58:02 -0000, "TKelly" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:


>It's not just on news servers. It's nothing more than packet shaping to
>stop some of the pirates constantly downloading gigabytes of data all day
>every day.
Pirates did you say PIRATES the only pirates using VM are the people
using a cloned modem many customers here signed up to a service that
stated in the add's download as much has you want 24/7 at no extra
charge or using very similar words. Now when customers they cajoled
into signing up by telling lies and forcing them into a 12 month
contract they decided to move the goalposts instead of spending money
on more bandwidth and other resources .
On a personal level I cannot complain unless the service takes a very
big downturn I know all about their lying deceiving ways before I
rejoined having had previous service with them.
But when all is said and done VM is no better or worse than a great
deal of other UK based companies .

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:58:02 -0000, "TKelly" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>
>> It's not just on news servers. It's nothing more than packet
>> shaping to stop some of the pirates constantly downloading gigabytes
>> of data all day every day.
> Pirates did you say PIRATES the only pirates using VM are the people
> using a cloned modem many customers here signed up to a service that
> stated in the add's download as much has you want 24/7 at no extra
> charge or using very similar words. Now when customers they cajoled
> into signing up by telling lies and forcing them into a 12 month
> contract they decided to move the goalposts instead of spending money
> on more bandwidth and other resources .


Just out of interest, before you sign up for a contract to subscribe to any
ISP you read the Terms and Conditions along with any Fair Usage Policy
conditions - don't you?

And somwhere, buried deep in those T&Cs and FUPs, there will certainly be a
statement to the effect that the ISP has the contractual right to apply
'throttling' or 'traffic shaping' when they decide it is necessary - *OR*
they will have that 'catch-all' term inserted which says that "We have the
right to change these Terms and Conditions and Fair Usage Policy whenever we
wish" and then giving the statement that if the changes are considered to be
detrimental to you, you have the right to cancel the agreement.

So in a nutshell, technically they are not lying and if you read the T&Cs,
you were aware of the facts - and if you didn't read the T&Cs - then how can
you moan about being 'stitched up'?

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:30:17 -0000, "DSB" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:


>And somwhere, buried deep in those T&Cs and FUPs, there will certainly be a
>statement to the effect that the ISP has the contractual right to apply
>'throttling' or 'traffic shaping' when they decide it is necessary - *OR*
>they will have that 'catch-all' term inserted which says that "We have the
>right to change these Terms and Conditions and Fair Usage Policy whenever we
>wish" and then giving the statement that if the changes are considered to be
>detrimental to you, you have the right to cancel the agreement.

Stop right there when I first signed up with Blueyonder traffic
shaping or whatever had not been thought of and many people
never agreed to this happening because at the time none of this was
mentioned in the contract which they signed . I agree that anyone
joining now must be fully aware of these matters and on signing their
contracts they are agreeing to this happening and have no excuse .

"Gonz" <T o p @ S e c r e t . c o m> wrote in message
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> A lot of people are reportin throttled speeds on Usenet servers.
> Not everyone, just a lot.
> Not most, just a lot.
>
> I wonder if it's part of ongoing trials bein done by Virgin Media?

the traffic shaping will affect any traffic - including access to the VM
usenet servers.

> I Wonder if they'll be rollin it out all across the network soon?

already done.

> I wonder if Alex can tell us that they're not doin it?

if you hunt old posts you will see he has stated all traffic is affected, so
the assumption is incorrect.

now if you want to complain - the level of incomplete posts and the way load
balancing means you miss some of the sequencing is still not fixed after
maybe 3 years......
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> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:30:17 -0000, "DSB" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>
>> And somwhere, buried deep in those T&Cs and FUPs, there will
>> certainly be a statement to the effect that the ISP has the
>> contractual right to apply 'throttling' or 'traffic shaping' when
>> they decide it is necessary - *OR* they will have that 'catch-all'
>> term inserted which says that "We have the right to change these
>> Terms and Conditions and Fair Usage Policy whenever we wish" and
>> then giving the statement that if the changes are considered to be
>> detrimental to you, you have the right to cancel the agreement.
>
> Stop right there when I first signed up with Blueyonder traffic
> shaping or whatever had not been thought of and many people
> never agreed to this happening because at the time none of this was
> mentioned in the contract which they signed . I agree that anyone
> joining now must be fully aware of these matters and on signing their
> contracts they are agreeing to this happening and have no excuse .


I will continue from where you left off.

When you joined Blue Yonder (as a new subscriber) did they have a set of
Terms and Conditions that you were *supposed* to read before you began your
contract with them?

The answer to that would have been yes (perhaps albeit a bit more basic than
today) - and somewhere in those T&Cs there would have been some 'catch all'
paragraphs such as:

1 - "Sometimes, we will need to change the charges and the terms and
conditions of the service. We will publish details of all changes
online...."

2 - "We will also let you know about a price increase or a *change to the
terms and conditions* that we believe is likely to cause you significant
disadvantage at least one month before it happens. We will let you know
about other price changes and changes to the terms and conditions
with......"

3 - "If we have made a change which is to your significant disadvantage, you
will not have to pay a charge if you decide to end your agreement early. ,
unless the relevant price terms say otherwise. However, once we have told
you about such a change, you must let us know that you want to end the
agreement within seven days....."

As you are aware, these conditions will give the ISP a 'free hand' to do
what they wish to a service that is after all - theirs!

You will also be aware, that these T&Cs change regularly (as the conditions
of the provided service change) and as long as there is a *get out* clause
somewhere (as at 3 above) then the ISP is doing nothing contractually
unlawful - so to say that they are lying or deceitful when they change their
conditions of service to something that *some* of their subscribers
dislike - is really not true!

They are doing what virtually all companies do in this country - word their
advertisements of enticement to lure you to their service (and then put
riders in the small print at the bottom), expect you to read the T&Cs (which
many don't for various reasons) and let YOU decide if you want to subscribe.

At the end of the day, you either accept these changes - or you leave the
ISP.