Using a Router

I have 2 PCs (1 x W2K and 1 XP Pro) and a Laptop (XP Pro) which are
cable networked thus:


DSL modem -- gateway PC (XP) --- (long cat5 to another room) ---
Network Hub/switch --- 2 other machines

In order to avoid using ICS you guys would reccomend a Router (yes?)

If so, where in the current set up should it go? I want to avoid another
cable from room 1 to room 2 if at all possible, due to the route it has
to take, under floorboards etc. Well, at least until the next time I
decorate!

Does the existing long cat5 plug into the Router and then the network
connection from the gateway PC the same?

I find networking a bit of a 'mare so as relatively simple an
explanation as possible would be appreciated.

Thanls for your time.

Alan S.

In article <Xns95AAAE55F18CCusenetnojunkaspal@195.129.110.67> , "Alan
S." (E-Mail Removed) says...
> I have 2 PCs (1 x W2K and 1 XP Pro) and a Laptop (XP Pro) which are
> cable networked thus:
>
>
> DSL modem -- gateway PC (XP) --- (long cat5 to another room) ---
> Network Hub/switch --- 2 other machines
>
> In order to avoid using ICS you guys would reccomend a Router (yes?)
>
> If so, where in the current set up should it go? I want to avoid another
> cable from room 1 to room 2 if at all possible, due to the route it has
> to take, under floorboards etc. Well, at least until the next time I
> decorate!
>
> Does the existing long cat5 plug into the Router and then the network
> connection from the gateway PC the same?
>
Yes - the only thing that effectively changes is that the gateway PC
will only connect to the LAN, not the modem as well.
The connection from router to hub might need to be crossed (their is
probably an uplink port/switch on the hub) or it might be smart enough
to do it itself.

Rob Morley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed) t:

> In article <Xns95AAAE55F18CCusenetnojunkaspal@195.129.110.67> , "Alan
> S." (E-Mail Removed) says...
>> I have 2 PCs (1 x W2K and 1 XP Pro) and a Laptop (XP Pro) which are
>> cable networked thus:
>>
>>
>> DSL modem -- gateway PC (XP) --- (long cat5 to another room) ---
>> Network Hub/switch --- 2 other machines
>>
>> In order to avoid using ICS you guys would reccomend a Router (yes?)
>>
>> If so, where in the current set up should it go? I want to avoid
>> another cable from room 1 to room 2 if at all possible, due to the
>> route it has to take, under floorboards etc. Well, at least until the
>> next time I decorate!
>>
>> Does the existing long cat5 plug into the Router and then the network
>> connection from the gateway PC the same?
>>
> Yes - the only thing that effectively changes is that the gateway PC
> will only connect to the LAN, not the modem as well.
> The connection from router to hub might need to be crossed (their is
> probably an uplink port/switch on the hub) or it might be smart enough
> to do it itself.
>

Very many thanks, Rob, for the quick response, much appreciated.

Re-reading my OP, I realise I didn't make it clear that I was exp+ecting
to lose the modem and use the router instead. To use the 'net on all
machines, does it therefore become:

Router > Main PC (via Cat5)

plus

Router > Long Cat 5 to other room > Hub > other machines.

I suppose what I'm getting at is, does the Router act as a LAN hub as
well?

Sorry if I'm being dense, this is where I'm confused - whether I need
another long Cat5 into the hub and then back to the main PC.

I know what I mean to say, just not sure that I've said it clearly.

Thanks again.

Alan S.

"Alan S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Xns95AAB4FA93CDCusenetnojunkaspal@195.129.110 .68...
[snip]
> Re-reading my OP, I realise I didn't make it clear that I was exp+ecting
> to lose the modem and use the router instead. To use the 'net on all
> machines, does it therefore become:
>
> Router > Main PC (via Cat5)
>
> plus
>
> Router > Long Cat 5 to other room > Hub > other machines.
>
> I suppose what I'm getting at is, does the Router act as a LAN hub as
> well?

Yes, it does.

You'll need an additional (straight through) cable to connect the main PC to
the router, using the socket the long cable is currently plugged into. You
may need to move the hub end of the long cable to the uplink port on the
hub.

Alex

"Alan S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
[snip]
>Re-reading my OP, I realise I didn't make it clear that I was exp+ecting
>to lose the modem and use the router instead.

Make sure it's got a modem built in, they don't all have one.

>To use the 'net on all
>machines, does it therefore become:
>
>Router > Main PC (via Cat5)
>plus
>Router > Long Cat 5 to other room > Hub > other machines.

This should work fine.

>I suppose what I'm getting at is, does the Router act as a LAN hub as
>well?

Yes.


Tim
--
Foo.

In message <Xns95AAB4FA93CDCusenetnojunkaspal@195.129.110.68> , Alan S.
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes


>I suppose what I'm getting at is, does the Router act as a LAN hub as
>well?

It does if you get the right model. There are single port routers and
multi-port devices that include a switch.

You need to get one that includes a switch, they usually have four
ports. One of those is likely to be configurable as an uplink port. You
can link this to your existing hub using an ordinary straight-through
patch cable. Connecting to an uplink port with a straight-through cable
does the same thing as connecting two ordinary ports with a crossover
cable.

To summarise: In one place you will have a combined ADSL
modem/router/hub with four ports. One PC will be plugged into one of
those ports. The long CAT5 cable will be plugged into another.

At the other end of that cable you will have your existing hub, with the
other machines plugged into that. One end of the long CAT5 cable will be
in an uplink port, the other will be in an ordinary port on the router
or hub.

You will have a switch at one end of the CAT5 cable and a hub at the
other. On a network as small as this you don't need to worry about the
difference between a hub and a switch, unless you only have a 10Mb hub.


--
Bernard Peek
London, UK. DBA, Manager, Trainer & Author. Will work for money.

Bernard Peek <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:YBhLJrqRK6oBFwc$@shrdlu.com:

> In message <Xns95AAB4FA93CDCusenetnojunkaspal@195.129.110.68> , Alan S.
> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>
>
>>I suppose what I'm getting at is, does the Router act as a LAN hub as
>>well?
>
> It does if you get the right model. There are single port routers and
> multi-port devices that include a switch.
>
> You need to get one that includes a switch, they usually have four
> ports. One of those is likely to be configurable as an uplink port.
You
> can link this to your existing hub using an ordinary straight-through
> patch cable. Connecting to an uplink port with a straight-through
cable
> does the same thing as connecting two ordinary ports with a crossover
> cable.
>
> To summarise: In one place you will have a combined ADSL
> modem/router/hub with four ports. One PC will be plugged into one of
> those ports. The long CAT5 cable will be plugged into another.
>
> At the other end of that cable you will have your existing hub, with
the
> other machines plugged into that. One end of the long CAT5 cable will
be
> in an uplink port, the other will be in an ordinary port on the router
> or hub.
>
> You will have a switch at one end of the CAT5 cable and a hub at the
> other. On a network as small as this you don't need to worry about the
> difference between a hub and a switch, unless you only have a 10Mb
hub.
>
>

Very many thanks to all of you who replied. I'm now clear where I'm
going and shall either be off to the shops, or wait for Santa to come
along. Beter write him a note.

Thanks again folks.

Alan S.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:10:34 +0000, Tim Auton wrote:

> "Alan S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote: [snip]
>>Re-reading my OP, I realise I didn't make it clear that I was exp+ecting
>>to lose the modem and use the router instead.
>
> Make sure it's got a modem built in, they don't all have one.
>
> Tim

Did'nt the OP say he was on cable ?

Dave

--

Some people use windows, others have a life.

"Dave Stanton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:10:34 +0000, Tim Auton wrote:
> > "Alan S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote: [snip]
> >>Re-reading my OP, I realise I didn't make it clear that I was
> >>exp+ecting to lose the modem and use the router instead.
> >
> > Make sure it's got a modem built in, they don't all have one.
>
> Did'nt the OP say he was on cable ?

No, he didn't. He said he had a DSL modem.

Alex

"Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:30ivgoF3115jcU1@uni-
berlin.de:

> "Dave Stanton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:10:34 +0000, Tim Auton wrote:
>> > "Alan S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote: [snip]
>> >>Re-reading my OP, I realise I didn't make it clear that I was
>> >>exp+ecting to lose the modem and use the router instead.
>> >
>> > Make sure it's got a modem built in, they don't all have one.
>>
>> Did'nt the OP say he was on cable ?
>
> No, he didn't. He said he had a DSL modem.
>
> Alex
>
>


Correct, I said it was a DSL modem.

Yesterday I posted a thank-you to all of those who offered help but it
hasn't appeared on my server.

So, again in case it was not seen, many thanks to all who posted info.
It was all taken note of and I now know where I'm going.

Thanks a lot.

Alan S.