Using adsl connection for personal and customer use

Hi,

I have an idea to use adsl for my own use but also have a USB connection
available for members of the public to use for a fee in the next room. How
would I go about setting this up ? I assume that I would need some sort of
network and firewall but I have no idea how to do it. How long could the
connection be from the modem/router/whatever.

If I have my connection always on could someone with a laptop access the
internet service just with a USB cable to a USB socket on the wall ? Would
this be a potential security risk to my own system ? As I would be selling
on part of my line connection would I need a different type of contract with
my ISP and would I need to be a licensed provider ?

The idea is not to make a huge profit from it but just to provide a service
for customers when they pop in for a coffee and a cake that they could also
pick up their emails too I thought USB as not everyone has wireless.

any help much appreciated, any links to url that would give info would help
too )))
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cheers,

Ice

In uk.telecom.broadband, icarus wrote:

>I have an idea to use adsl for my own use but also have a USB connection
>available for members of the public to use for a fee in the next room.

Not practical to use USB, they would have to load drivers etc. Either
provide ethernet, or wireless, from a router.


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"Nigel Molesworth" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In uk.telecom.broadband, icarus wrote:
>
>>I have an idea to use adsl for my own use but also have a USB connection
>>available for members of the public to use for a fee in the next room.
>
> Not practical to use USB, they would have to load drivers etc. Either
> provide ethernet, or wireless, from a router.
>

hmmm, I thought XP had all the drivers.

"icarus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:i9Dme.1002$iy2.828@newsfe1-
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> hmmm, I thought XP had all the drivers.

It might do, but the bundled drivers aren't always the best and you could
be setting yourself up for extra hassle when people find it doesn't work.
There are also a large number of people still using 2K or even 98.

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In message <i9Dme.1002$(E-Mail Removed)>, icarus wrote:

>
> "Nigel Molesworth" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> In uk.telecom.broadband, icarus wrote:
>>
>>>I have an idea to use adsl for my own use but also have a USB connection
>>>available for members of the public to use for a fee in the next room.
>>
>> Not practical to use USB, they would have to load drivers etc. Either
>> provide ethernet, or wireless, from a router.
>>
>
> hmmm, I thought XP had all the drivers.

You're assuming people would be using XP. How about those running Linux or
with a Mac laptop? Almost everything portable has ethernet now so you'd do
better to look at that approach.
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"icarus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I have an idea to use adsl for my own use but also have a USB connection
> available for members of the public to use for a fee in the next room.
> How would I go about setting this up ? I assume that I would need some
> sort of network and firewall but I have no idea how to do it. How long
> could the connection be from the modem/router/whatever.
>
> If I have my connection always on could someone with a laptop access the
> internet service just with a USB cable to a USB socket on the wall ? Would
> this be a potential security risk to my own system ? As I would be selling
> on part of my line connection would I need a different type of contract
> with my ISP and would I need to be a licensed provider ?
>
> The idea is not to make a huge profit from it but just to provide a
> service for customers when they pop in for a coffee and a cake that they
> could also pick up their emails too I thought USB as not everyone has
> wireless.
>
> any help much appreciated, any links to url that would give info would
> help too )))

Best to use a wireless ADSL router, with connections for yourself and also
one or more wired connections for your customers. Also provide wireless for
those whose laptops have it.

You want to keep customers' PCs isolated from your own, so it might be
better to configure things slightly differently:

- give your PCs static IP addresses in the range 192.168.0.2 - 10, with
Norton Internet Security on each PC set to regard this range as "friendly";
if you use the wireless part of the router, set it to WPA security with SSID
hidden
- configure the router's DHCP to hand out addresses 192.168.0.11 - 20:
outside the range that your PCs regard as friendly, to make sure customers'
PCs cannot access your PCs
- for customers, connect an access point which uses a different SSID and
channel to your own, with whatever security you want

Customers will only see the wireless signal that's intended for them:
keeping the SSID of your wireless signal hidden is more to prevent it
confusing customers than for security reasons.

If you'll only be connecting your own PCs by wireless (and not by wire) you
can simplify things considerably by turning on wireless isolation (assuming
your router supports it) to stop wireless-to-wireless access, but this will
be at the expense of preventing your PCs talking to each other - this may
render this solution unworkable for you!

On 30 May 2005 13:53, "Dave" <noone$$@llondel.org> wrote:

>How about those running Linux or with a Mac laptop? Almost everything
>portable has ethernet now so you'd do better to look at that approach.

Yes, it would seem a better option to me too. With wireless, someone who
has had access might 'try it on' when parked outside the next week/month,
but with a physical cable to plug in, they don't have a chance :-) Peter.

[ For original poster - you might want to ask the sales people at your ISP
and a few others regarding allowing someone to use your connection for cash
but a problem I could see would be of them 'abusing' some person/service on
your IP/ISP and 2 weeks later you will have nothing in terms of details for
some random nutter who sent a death threat to the PM / President / Queen,
or someone who made contact with a terrorist group...
Who's to say it was not YOU that did it ? ]
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"Peter M" <us-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On 30 May 2005 13:53, "Dave" <noone$$@llondel.org> wrote:
>
>>How about those running Linux or with a Mac laptop? Almost everything
>>portable has ethernet now so you'd do better to look at that approach.
>
> Yes, it would seem a better option to me too. With wireless, someone who
> has had access might 'try it on' when parked outside the next week/month,
> but with a physical cable to plug in, they don't have a chance :-) Peter.
>

I wanted to go the cable way as otherwise the folk next door or wherever
could use it too. It looks like ethernet would be more flexible tho than
usb.

> [ For original poster - you might want to ask the sales people at your ISP
> and a few others regarding allowing someone to use your connection for
> cash
> but a problem I could see would be of them 'abusing' some person/service
> on
> your IP/ISP and 2 weeks later you will have nothing in terms of details
> for
> some random nutter who sent a death threat to the PM / President / Queen,
> or someone who made contact with a terrorist group...
> Who's to say it was not YOU that did it ? ]


well I figured they would have to use their own email account details to
send/receive emails over the internet connection. it wouldn't be my own pop
access as they wouldn't have my details. they would be accessing their own
email provider via their internet explorer/mozilla etc. The isp I would use
would not have email accounts as standard on the broadband account.

"Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "icarus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:ZWCme.999$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have an idea to use adsl for my own use but also have a USB connection
>> available for members of the public to use for a fee in the next room.
>> How would I go about setting this up ? I assume that I would need some
>> sort of network and firewall but I have no idea how to do it. How long
>> could the connection be from the modem/router/whatever.
>>
>> If I have my connection always on could someone with a laptop access the
>> internet service just with a USB cable to a USB socket on the wall ?
>> Would this be a potential security risk to my own system ? As I would be
>> selling on part of my line connection would I need a different type of
>> contract with my ISP and would I need to be a licensed provider ?
>>
>> The idea is not to make a huge profit from it but just to provide a
>> service for customers when they pop in for a coffee and a cake that they
>> could also pick up their emails too I thought USB as not everyone has
>> wireless.
>>
>> any help much appreciated, any links to url that would give info would
>> help too )))
>
> Best to use a wireless ADSL router, with connections for yourself and also
> one or more wired connections for your customers. Also provide wireless
> for those whose laptops have it.
>
> You want to keep customers' PCs isolated from your own, so it might be
> better to configure things slightly differently:
>
> - give your PCs static IP addresses in the range 192.168.0.2 - 10, with
> Norton Internet Security on each PC set to regard this range as
> "friendly"; if you use the wireless part of the router, set it to WPA
> security with SSID hidden
> - configure the router's DHCP to hand out addresses 192.168.0.11 - 20:
> outside the range that your PCs regard as friendly, to make sure
> customers' PCs cannot access your PCs
> - for customers, connect an access point which uses a different SSID and
> channel to your own, with whatever security you want
>
> Customers will only see the wireless signal that's intended for them:
> keeping the SSID of your wireless signal hidden is more to prevent it
> confusing customers than for security reasons.
>
> If you'll only be connecting your own PCs by wireless (and not by wire)
> you can simplify things considerably by turning on wireless isolation
> (assuming your router supports it) to stop wireless-to-wireless access,
> but this will be at the expense of preventing your PCs talking to each
> other - this may render this solution unworkable for you!
>
>

thanks for the detailed response

I would only have one/two pcs which would access wirelessly but not likely
to be at the same time.

it looks like Ethernet access for customers is most sensible as otherwise
they can be crafty and access from outside.

what sort of hardware would I need to do this and how far away can an
Ethernet port (if that's what its called) be from the main router/whatever ?
Would the router login to the ADSL phoneline and handle multiple machines
accessing the broadband line concurrently ? If so my pc(s) would need to be
on when there is customer access being made necessarily.

sorry for so many stupid question but I'm not at all knowledgeable in this
area obviously

tia

In article <M1Gme.2535$(E-Mail Removed)>,
"icarus" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>
>well I figured they would have to use their own email account details to
>send/receive emails over the internet connection. it wouldn't be my own pop
>access as they wouldn't have my details. they would be accessing their own
>email provider via their internet explorer/mozilla etc. The isp I would use
>would not have email accounts as standard on the broadband account.

Sorry, can't help much as I don't have experience of setting
up public access internet, but I'll just point out that you
can use an adsl or dial-up to send out spam email without
having an email account anywhere. (It may be that public
access providers block TCP port 25 to prevent this.)

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Andrew Gabriel