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Tom Del Rosso
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      07-26-2005, 09:39 PM
I just set up my first SBS with all the wizards, including the add user
wizard. Now in Server Management (the thing that starts from the Startup
folder when you log on to the server right after installation -- not
Computer Management) there is a page with the user names that were added to
the wizard, but the users do not appear in ADUC.

The AD exists, and I can log on from a client PC. Are the users supposed to
appear in ADUC too at this point? If so, what's the best way to enter them
(import, or delete and re-enter manually)? There are only 15 users to
enter.


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      07-26-2005, 10:09 PM
I'll be curious to know the answer too. I have SBS2003 in a VPC Lab I can
look at later tonight and see what it has. I guess I am going to have to
copy that Lab Image and bring it to work so I can see it here as well when I
need to.


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"Tom Del Rosso" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I just set up my first SBS with all the wizards, including the add user
> wizard. Now in Server Management (the thing that starts from the Startup
> folder when you log on to the server right after installation -- not
> Computer Management) there is a page with the user names that were added

to
> the wizard, but the users do not appear in ADUC.
>
> The AD exists, and I can log on from a client PC. Are the users supposed

to
> appear in ADUC too at this point? If so, what's the best way to enter

them
> (import, or delete and re-enter manually)? There are only 15 users to
> enter.
>
>
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Eriq Neale
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      07-27-2005, 01:30 PM
On 2005-07-26 16:39:12 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" <(E-Mail Removed)> said:

> I just set up my first SBS with all the wizards, including the add user
> wizard. Now in Server Management (the thing that starts from the Startup
> folder when you log on to the server right after installation -- not
> Computer Management) there is a page with the user names that were added to
> the wizard, but the users do not appear in ADUC.
>
> The AD exists, and I can log on from a client PC. Are the users supposed to
> appear in ADUC too at this point? If so, what's the best way to enter them
> (import, or delete and re-enter manually)? There are only 15 users to
> enter.


Where are you looking for the users in ADUC? When you use the SBS
wizards to add users, they are not put in the Users container. Instead,
they go into the MyBusinss | Users | SBSUsers OU. See if you can't find
them there.

HTH...

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Tom Del Rosso
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      07-27-2005, 05:27 PM
"Eriq Neale" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Where are you looking for the users in ADUC?


Users and groups.


> When you use the SBS
> wizards to add users, they are not put in the Users container. Instead,
> they go into the MyBusinss | Users | SBSUsers OU. See if you can't find
> them there.


That path doesn't even sound familiar. They appear in Server_Management /
users.

However, I created a user for myself in ADUC, and it appears in both places,
and changes are reflected both ways.


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      07-27-2005, 10:33 PM
On 2005-07-27 12:27:43 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" <(E-Mail Removed)> said:

> "Eriq Neale" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>> Where are you looking for the users in ADUC?

>
> Users and groups.
>
>
>> When you use the SBS
>> wizards to add users, they are not put in the Users container. Instead,
>> they go into the MyBusinss | Users | SBSUsers OU. See if you can't find
>> them there.

>
> That path doesn't even sound familiar. They appear in Server_Management /
> users.


Correct, from the Server Management console, you will see them there.
Howeve, when you open the Active Directory Users and Computers console
(dsa.msc),you have to look in the MyBusiness | Users | SBSUsers path to
find the user objects.

>
> However, I created a user for myself in ADUC, and it appears in both places,
> and changes are reflected both ways.


That is correct. When you create a user in ADUC, it will appear in the
Users section of the Server Management console, even though it has not
been created in the same location as the SBS user accounts.

Open ADUC. in the folder tree, you will see these folders:
Builtin, Computers, Domain Controllers, ForeignSecurityPrincipals,
MyBusiness, Users
Expand MyBusiness, then Users, then SBSUsers and you will see the use
obejcts created by the SBS use wizards.

HTH...

-Eriq
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      07-28-2005, 05:41 AM
"Eriq Neale" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> That is correct. When you create a user in ADUC, it will appear in the
> Users section of the Server Management console, even though it has not
> been created in the same location as the SBS user accounts.
>
> Open ADUC. in the folder tree, you will see these folders:
> Builtin, Computers, Domain Controllers, ForeignSecurityPrincipals,
> MyBusiness, Users
> Expand MyBusiness, then Users, then SBSUsers and you will see the use
> obejcts created by the SBS use wizards.


Thanks for shedding light on it. So then, are you supposed to just leave it
like that permanently, with no domain users in the usual place?


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      07-28-2005, 11:54 AM
On 2005-07-28 00:41:53 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" <(E-Mail Removed)> said:

> "Eriq Neale" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>> That is correct. When you create a user in ADUC, it will appear in the
>> Users section of the Server Management console, even though it has not
>> been created in the same location as the SBS user accounts.
>>
>> Open ADUC. in the folder tree, you will see these folders:
>> Builtin, Computers, Domain Controllers, ForeignSecurityPrincipals,
>> MyBusiness, Users
>> Expand MyBusiness, then Users, then SBSUsers and you will see the use
>> obejcts created by the SBS use wizards.

>
> Thanks for shedding light on it. So then, are you supposed to just leave it
> like that permanently, with no domain users in the usual place?


This *is* the usual place for SBS. All users are placed in the SBSUsers
Organizational Unit so group policy can be applied to them. If you
manually add users and put them in the Users container, you cannot
apply gropu policy to the container, and that's where a lot of the SBS
"magic" comes from.

Lots of bad things can happen if you move objects around within ADUC,
too, so if you're accustomed to seeing user and group objects in
different places in the AD structure, resist the urge to move them to
different areas. A lot of work went into making sure that all the SBS
parts and pieces work correctly on the back end, so take advantage of
thework already done and learn to love the wizards.

HTH...

-Eriq
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Jenny wu \(MSFT\)
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      08-10-2005, 05:12 PM
Hi Tom,

I am sorry for delay response for leave. I appreciate your kind and
patience!


>Thanks. So they are in AD, but a different part of it, and hopefully they


>can just stay where they are.


Yes, users created by Add user Wizard will be automatically added to
SBSUsers OU. and all users you creaded by Add user Wizard and ADUC will be
listed in Users panel( server management console ->Users).


>A question on deploying software: I chose "postpone" the first time I>


>logged in from a workstation, and I haven't seen it since. I expected it
>to


>come up on the next login. How long before the option to install software


>pops up again?



Before the installation of client applications occurs, there are some checks
that are necessary to insure that AppLauncher enters a safe system
environment. When these checks process, there is no UI shown, and any
failure causes AppLauncher to exit quietly.


If the user is a member of the local Administrators group, then the user is
presented with the options to Start Now, or Postpone the software
installation. If the user selects Postpone, the dialog box will appear again
when the user logs on to the same computer. If you can not see the dialog
box when use the user logon the same computer, you can reassign the client
application again using Assign Applications to Client Computers link( server
management console -> client Computers) to confirm client application
information.


For your reference: The installation of client applications involves both
the SBS Server and the client.

The server components consist of:

A) Applnch.exe, launched by the logon script, conducts the pre-installation
checks. Applnch.exe also references the information in Apps.dat to query the
client and to launch the application installer from the client.

B) Apps.dat, created by the Set Up Computer Wizard, contains all necessary
client application information.

C) ClientApps folder, created by the server setup, contains all installation
files used by the installer.

The client components consist of:

A) Client Registry settings, created by Applnch.exe, contain client's state
information such as what SBS applications are already installed, and the
number of attempts.

B) Logon script, assigned through the Add User Wizard, invokes Applnch.exe.


>What I don't understand there is why the wizard doesn't go a small step


>further and write a script that assigns the home folder. The wizard
>creates


>home folders for the users, and it makes a script, so why stop at 95% of


>completing the job? After all that automation I expected to see the


>homepath point to the new folders. It certainly would save time.



The wizard by default gives the new folder for the user account(such as:
aaa )'s local path "\\sbsname\users\aaa". It is unnecessary to change the
home folder path although it is blank in local path in the user properties.
Home folder in Windows 2003 is not be useded usually.It is recommended that
using documents redirection to complete the same goal and is more flexible.


If you have any further concern or question about the issue please feel free
to let me knowd. We are always happy to be assistance of you!


Have a nice day!

Best Regards,

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"Eriq Neale" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On 2005-07-28 00:41:53 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" <(E-Mail Removed)> said:
>
>> "Eriq Neale" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:2005072717331950073%eon@eonconsultingidonotwa ntspamnet...
>>>
>>> That is correct. When you create a user in ADUC, it will appear in the
>>> Users section of the Server Management console, even though it has not
>>> been created in the same location as the SBS user accounts.
>>>
>>> Open ADUC. in the folder tree, you will see these folders:
>>> Builtin, Computers, Domain Controllers, ForeignSecurityPrincipals,
>>> MyBusiness, Users
>>> Expand MyBusiness, then Users, then SBSUsers and you will see the use
>>> obejcts created by the SBS use wizards.

>>
>> Thanks for shedding light on it. So then, are you supposed to just leave
>> it
>> like that permanently, with no domain users in the usual place?

>
> This *is* the usual place for SBS. All users are placed in the SBSUsers
> Organizational Unit so group policy can be applied to them. If you
> manually add users and put them in the Users container, you cannot apply
> gropu policy to the container, and that's where a lot of the SBS "magic"
> comes from.
>
> Lots of bad things can happen if you move objects around within ADUC, too,
> so if you're accustomed to seeing user and group objects in different
> places in the AD structure, resist the urge to move them to different
> areas. A lot of work went into making sure that all the SBS parts and
> pieces work correctly on the back end, so take advantage of thework
> already done and learn to love the wizards.
>
> HTH...
>
> -Eriq
> --
> Eriq Neale - Small Business Specialist, MCSE, MCSA Messaging, Mac Guru
> EON Consulting - www.eonconsulting.net
> Need additional IT insight? E-mail "support at eonconsulting dot net"
>



 
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