Networking Forums

Networking Forums > Wireless Networking > Wireless Networks > Username and Password with WPA ???

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes

Username and Password with WPA ???

 
 
Roughneck
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      10-11-2006, 06:07 PM
I set up our first home network about 2 weeks ago and selected WPA-PSK
security/encryption. As I recall, all I had to do was enter an encryption
key on each PC--I was never prompted for username or password info. But in
looking through a book printed in 2004, titled "Guide to Home Networking"
(Les Freed at PC Magazine), Les says:

"WPA is similar to WEP, but WPA combines encryption with user
authentication... Instead of using a shared encryption key, WPA first
requires users to identify themselves with a user name and password. If the
users passes the authentication test, the AP sends the user a unique key that
is valid for a limited period of time. The data connection between the
user's PC and the AP is encrypted using the temporary key."

Les doesn't distinguish between WPA-PSK and WPA2 in this book--perhaps
that's because of when the book was printed. Do his statements only apply to
WPA2, or did I miss something in my WPA-PSK setup?
--
So much to learn... So little time.
 
Reply With Quote
 
 
 
 
Jack \(MVP-Networking\).
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      10-11-2006, 07:48 PM
Hi
There is no differences between WPA2 or WPA setup. You can use WPA2 provided
that both the source (Wireless Rouer/Access Point) are supporting WPA2, and
your Windows was upgraded to SP2.
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"Roughneck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:1821ADE5-92EC-4553-B852-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I set up our first home network about 2 weeks ago and selected WPA-PSK
> security/encryption. As I recall, all I had to do was enter an encryption
> key on each PC--I was never prompted for username or password info. But
> in
> looking through a book printed in 2004, titled "Guide to Home Networking"
> (Les Freed at PC Magazine), Les says:
>
> "WPA is similar to WEP, but WPA combines encryption with user
> authentication... Instead of using a shared encryption key, WPA first
> requires users to identify themselves with a user name and password. If
> the
> users passes the authentication test, the AP sends the user a unique key
> that
> is valid for a limited period of time. The data connection between the
> user's PC and the AP is encrypted using the temporary key."
>
> Les doesn't distinguish between WPA-PSK and WPA2 in this book--perhaps
> that's because of when the book was printed. Do his statements only apply
> to
> WPA2, or did I miss something in my WPA-PSK setup?
> --
> So much to learn... So little time.



 
Reply With Quote
 
Roughneck
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      10-11-2006, 08:05 PM
Hello, Jack! Thanks for responding.

Since the the setup is the same for both, yet I was never prompted for user
name and password info, do you know what Les was referring to in his book?
If any form of WPA (WPA-PSK or WPA2) uses user names and passwords as Les
described, where/how does WPA get them? Or... was there a change in how WPA
is actually implemented now versus how they thought it would be implemented
at the time Les wrote his book?
--
So much to learn... So little time.


"Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:

> Hi
> There is no differences between WPA2 or WPA setup. You can use WPA2 provided
> that both the source (Wireless Rouer/Access Point) are supporting WPA2, and
> your Windows was upgraded to SP2.
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "Roughneck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:1821ADE5-92EC-4553-B852-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I set up our first home network about 2 weeks ago and selected WPA-PSK
> > security/encryption. As I recall, all I had to do was enter an encryption
> > key on each PC--I was never prompted for username or password info. But
> > in
> > looking through a book printed in 2004, titled "Guide to Home Networking"
> > (Les Freed at PC Magazine), Les says:
> >
> > "WPA is similar to WEP, but WPA combines encryption with user
> > authentication... Instead of using a shared encryption key, WPA first
> > requires users to identify themselves with a user name and password. If
> > the
> > users passes the authentication test, the AP sends the user a unique key
> > that
> > is valid for a limited period of time. The data connection between the
> > user's PC and the AP is encrypted using the temporary key."
> >
> > Les doesn't distinguish between WPA-PSK and WPA2 in this book--perhaps
> > that's because of when the book was printed. Do his statements only apply
> > to
> > WPA2, or did I miss something in my WPA-PSK setup?
> > --
> > So much to learn... So little time.

>
>
>

 
Reply With Quote
 
Jack \(MVP-Networking\).
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      10-11-2006, 08:10 PM
Hi
Regular user that is not logged to a special secure server (RADIUS) does not
need id/password etc.
You configure the WPA/WPA2 key between the source (Wireless Router) and the
client (Wireless computer) and the connection uses the key to encrypted the
stream.
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"Roughneck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:6E4CAF64-31E4-4AAD-897C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello, Jack! Thanks for responding.
>
> Since the the setup is the same for both, yet I was never prompted for
> user
> name and password info, do you know what Les was referring to in his book?
> If any form of WPA (WPA-PSK or WPA2) uses user names and passwords as Les
> described, where/how does WPA get them? Or... was there a change in how
> WPA
> is actually implemented now versus how they thought it would be
> implemented
> at the time Les wrote his book?
> --
> So much to learn... So little time.
>
>
> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> There is no differences between WPA2 or WPA setup. You can use WPA2
>> provided
>> that both the source (Wireless Rouer/Access Point) are supporting WPA2,
>> and
>> your Windows was upgraded to SP2.
>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>
>> "Roughneck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:1821ADE5-92EC-4553-B852-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I set up our first home network about 2 weeks ago and selected WPA-PSK
>> > security/encryption. As I recall, all I had to do was enter an
>> > encryption
>> > key on each PC--I was never prompted for username or password info.
>> > But
>> > in
>> > looking through a book printed in 2004, titled "Guide to Home
>> > Networking"
>> > (Les Freed at PC Magazine), Les says:
>> >
>> > "WPA is similar to WEP, but WPA combines encryption with user
>> > authentication... Instead of using a shared encryption key, WPA first
>> > requires users to identify themselves with a user name and password.
>> > If
>> > the
>> > users passes the authentication test, the AP sends the user a unique
>> > key
>> > that
>> > is valid for a limited period of time. The data connection between the
>> > user's PC and the AP is encrypted using the temporary key."
>> >
>> > Les doesn't distinguish between WPA-PSK and WPA2 in this book--perhaps
>> > that's because of when the book was printed. Do his statements only
>> > apply
>> > to
>> > WPA2, or did I miss something in my WPA-PSK setup?
>> > --
>> > So much to learn... So little time.

>>
>>
>>



 
Reply With Quote
 
Roughneck
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      10-12-2006, 04:30 AM
Thanks again, Jack.

I wasn't at all familiar with RADIUS, so I did a little checking and assume
you're referring to "Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service". Am I
tracking with you on that? If so, based on what I read about RADIUS, one of
its main features is the ability to require a valid user name and password.
In terms of networking, I got the impression that ISPs are major users of
RADIUS, using it to verify that all requests for internet access through
their system are actually coming from authorized customers But if that's
what it's about, I don't understand at all why Les used it to make a
distinction between WEP and WPA in regard to home networking. i.e. His book
is about setting up a home network but I don't see how or why that would be
noteworthy if my WPA setup has no provision to setup and require valid user
names and passwords. My ISP will require a user name and password from me
when I request an IP address, regardless of what type of encryption I'm using
or if I'm using any encryption at all. But I don't understand why he made a
point of that when using WPA on a home network if there's no place to enter
approved user name and password combinations.

Oh, well--I guess my signature provides a pretty good idea about where I'm
at with all this stuff. :-)
--
So much to learn... So little time.


"Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:

> Hi
> Regular user that is not logged to a special secure server (RADIUS) does not
> need id/password etc.
> You configure the WPA/WPA2 key between the source (Wireless Router) and the
> client (Wireless computer) and the connection uses the key to encrypted the
> stream.
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "Roughneck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:6E4CAF64-31E4-4AAD-897C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hello, Jack! Thanks for responding.
> >
> > Since the the setup is the same for both, yet I was never prompted for
> > user
> > name and password info, do you know what Les was referring to in his book?
> > If any form of WPA (WPA-PSK or WPA2) uses user names and passwords as Les
> > described, where/how does WPA get them? Or... was there a change in how
> > WPA
> > is actually implemented now versus how they thought it would be
> > implemented
> > at the time Les wrote his book?
> > --
> > So much to learn... So little time.
> >
> >
> > "Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >> There is no differences between WPA2 or WPA setup. You can use WPA2
> >> provided
> >> that both the source (Wireless Rouer/Access Point) are supporting WPA2,
> >> and
> >> your Windows was upgraded to SP2.
> >> Jack (MVP-Networking).
> >>
> >> "Roughneck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:1821ADE5-92EC-4553-B852-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >I set up our first home network about 2 weeks ago and selected WPA-PSK
> >> > security/encryption. As I recall, all I had to do was enter an
> >> > encryption
> >> > key on each PC--I was never prompted for username or password info.
> >> > But
> >> > in
> >> > looking through a book printed in 2004, titled "Guide to Home
> >> > Networking"
> >> > (Les Freed at PC Magazine), Les says:
> >> >
> >> > "WPA is similar to WEP, but WPA combines encryption with user
> >> > authentication... Instead of using a shared encryption key, WPA first
> >> > requires users to identify themselves with a user name and password.
> >> > If
> >> > the
> >> > users passes the authentication test, the AP sends the user a unique
> >> > key
> >> > that
> >> > is valid for a limited period of time. The data connection between the
> >> > user's PC and the AP is encrypted using the temporary key."
> >> >
> >> > Les doesn't distinguish between WPA-PSK and WPA2 in this book--perhaps
> >> > that's because of when the book was printed. Do his statements only
> >> > apply
> >> > to
> >> > WPA2, or did I miss something in my WPA-PSK setup?
> >> > --
> >> > So much to learn... So little time.
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

 
Reply With Quote
 
Roughneck
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      10-12-2006, 05:36 AM
After re-reading Jack's last reply and doing a little more research, I think
I understand why I don't have the user name and password options in my setup
that Les said was a part of WPA.

It's my impression that some network hardware may offer both an enterprise
level and a home level of WPA. The enterprise level (referred to simply as
WPA) offers user name and password authentication, while the home level
(referred to as WPA-PSK) does not. But once you get past that difference,
both levels (enterprise and home) work exactly the same.

My network hardware only offers WPA-PSK, not straight WPA--therefore user
name and password authentication is not a setup option for me.

Am I starting to get the picture ?????

I get the drift though, that once past the user name and password
authentication offered by WPA
--
So much to learn... So little time.


"Roughneck" wrote:

> Thanks again, Jack.
>
> I wasn't at all familiar with RADIUS, so I did a little checking and assume
> you're referring to "Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service". Am I
> tracking with you on that? If so, based on what I read about RADIUS, one of
> its main features is the ability to require a valid user name and password.
> In terms of networking, I got the impression that ISPs are major users of
> RADIUS, using it to verify that all requests for internet access through
> their system are actually coming from authorized customers But if that's
> what it's about, I don't understand at all why Les used it to make a
> distinction between WEP and WPA in regard to home networking. i.e. His book
> is about setting up a home network but I don't see how or why that would be
> noteworthy if my WPA setup has no provision to setup and require valid user
> names and passwords. My ISP will require a user name and password from me
> when I request an IP address, regardless of what type of encryption I'm using
> or if I'm using any encryption at all. But I don't understand why he made a
> point of that when using WPA on a home network if there's no place to enter
> approved user name and password combinations.
>
> Oh, well--I guess my signature provides a pretty good idea about where I'm
> at with all this stuff. :-)
> --
> So much to learn... So little time.
>
>
> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Regular user that is not logged to a special secure server (RADIUS) does not
> > need id/password etc.
> > You configure the WPA/WPA2 key between the source (Wireless Router) and the
> > client (Wireless computer) and the connection uses the key to encrypted the
> > stream.
> > Jack (MVP-Networking).
> >
> > "Roughneck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:6E4CAF64-31E4-4AAD-897C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Hello, Jack! Thanks for responding.
> > >
> > > Since the the setup is the same for both, yet I was never prompted for
> > > user
> > > name and password info, do you know what Les was referring to in his book?
> > > If any form of WPA (WPA-PSK or WPA2) uses user names and passwords as Les
> > > described, where/how does WPA get them? Or... was there a change in how
> > > WPA
> > > is actually implemented now versus how they thought it would be
> > > implemented
> > > at the time Les wrote his book?
> > > --
> > > So much to learn... So little time.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi
> > >> There is no differences between WPA2 or WPA setup. You can use WPA2
> > >> provided
> > >> that both the source (Wireless Rouer/Access Point) are supporting WPA2,
> > >> and
> > >> your Windows was upgraded to SP2.
> > >> Jack (MVP-Networking).
> > >>
> > >> "Roughneck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > >> news:1821ADE5-92EC-4553-B852-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> >I set up our first home network about 2 weeks ago and selected WPA-PSK
> > >> > security/encryption. As I recall, all I had to do was enter an
> > >> > encryption
> > >> > key on each PC--I was never prompted for username or password info.
> > >> > But
> > >> > in
> > >> > looking through a book printed in 2004, titled "Guide to Home
> > >> > Networking"
> > >> > (Les Freed at PC Magazine), Les says:
> > >> >
> > >> > "WPA is similar to WEP, but WPA combines encryption with user
> > >> > authentication... Instead of using a shared encryption key, WPA first
> > >> > requires users to identify themselves with a user name and password.
> > >> > If
> > >> > the
> > >> > users passes the authentication test, the AP sends the user a unique
> > >> > key
> > >> > that
> > >> > is valid for a limited period of time. The data connection between the
> > >> > user's PC and the AP is encrypted using the temporary key."
> > >> >
> > >> > Les doesn't distinguish between WPA-PSK and WPA2 in this book--perhaps
> > >> > that's because of when the book was printed. Do his statements only
> > >> > apply
> > >> > to
> > >> > WPA2, or did I miss something in my WPA-PSK setup?
> > >> > --
> > >> > So much to learn... So little time.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>

> >
> >
> >

 
Reply With Quote
 
 
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is your username/password tied to one line? Ian Stirling Broadband 11 11-17-2003 10:24 PM
How To Take Off Username and Password DareDevil Windows Networking 1 10-23-2003 11:39 PM
Win 98 - Username & Password to an NT Domain EJL Windows Networking 1 09-20-2003 06:10 AM
username & password req'd Matthew Jones Windows Networking 1 07-28-2003 02:11 PM
username & password req'd Matthew Jones Home Networking 1 07-28-2003 10:26 AM



1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11