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jameson
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      03-01-2004, 06:41 PM
I work for a school environment, I do not teach, I just manage the
network and computers.
The computer teacher is always coming up with these bright ideas and
he has to come talk to me about them, I guess as a way to "think out
loud"...
He came to me today and asked me about something I had never thought
about...nor KNOW anything about...

He asked me why dont all our computers with USB ports use the USB port
as the netwotk connection... he says "USB is 400-and-something
megabytes fast! That blows a 10/100 away!"
He asked me what sort of additional cost this would incure, what the
downside is and what the upside is... My fear is that I would have to
buy new switches and routers for this...

My network at a glance:
T-1 internet with a sonicwall firewall, about 250 nodes, all connected
with a 10/100 NIC to cisco 10/100 catalyst switches, with CAT5e
cabling.

Any thoughts? I'd like to improve my speed, but not but having to work
all summer recabling and not buy spending half my budget on new
equiptment...
any thoughts? Thanks in advance!
Jazz Mann
 
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GEO Me@home.here
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      03-01-2004, 07:42 PM
On 1 Mar 2004 11:41:11 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) (jameson) wrote:


>He asked me why dont all our computers with USB ports use the USB port
>as the netwotk connection... he says "USB is 400-and-something
>megabytes fast! That blows a 10/100 away!"
>He asked me what sort of additional cost this would incure, what the
>downside is and what the upside is... My fear is that I would have to
>buy new switches and routers for this..


Yesterday I read the following message that seems related to your
question:

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"Warren" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
Subject: Re: driver for cable modem
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:02:14 GMT

> Would you care to elaborate on the disadvantages of using
> the USB interface to connect to a cable modem? I'm just
> wondering what benefit I would gain from adding a NIC.


The speed of the USB bus is significantly slower than Ethernet. While
it's still faster than what you'll get out of your cablemodem, that's
only true if your cablemodem was the only device on the USB bus.

For a USB cablemodem connection to work, two devices need to be
working:
The USB cablemodem driver, and the USB root hub. (If additional hubs
are in use, they need to be working as well.) Also note that the
default power settings in Windows is for the USB bus to go to sleep
when the computer is not in use. In many cases when it wakes up,
connectivity to the cablemodem does not return, and the machine needs
to be rebooted. (You can change that behavior in Windows.)

USB was designed to be a jack-of-all-trades, while an Ethernet NIC
only does one thing. USB works great for low bandwidth devices like
mice. It works great for bursting devices like the printer you uses
for a few minutes here and there. It doesn't work as well for a
continuous high bandwidth device, especially if it's sharing the bus
with other devices.
In other words, USB is like those multi-tools. They're great for all
those odd situations you come across, but if you've got a tight bolt,
you're still going to want a real wrench.

I'm not aware of any USB cablemodem that has drivers for anything
other than the Windows current operating systems. This matters if
sometime in the future you want to dual-boot (or change) to a Linux
OS, and could matter when the next version of the Windows OS comes
out. (The cablemodem manufacturer may choose not to update their
drivers. It's unlikely that a standard NIC won't work in an updated
Windows OS. Even if the manufacturer doesn't update the drivers,
nearly all NIC's will perform acceptably using one of a couple of
standard drivers.)

When you consider that the typical home user who doesn't already
have a NIC is almost always going to have an empty PCI slot, and that
installing a NIC is as simple as unplugging the power source, and
snapping a card that may cost as little as $5 or $10, moving to a NIC
card is a worthwhile thing to do.

Warren H.
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HTH
Geo

 
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      03-01-2004, 08:07 PM
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:42:46 GMT, "GEO" (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>On 1 Mar 2004 11:41:11 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) (jameson) wrote:
>
>>He asked me why dont all our computers with USB ports use the USB port
>>as the netwotk connection... he says "USB is 400-and-something
>>megabytes fast! That blows a 10/100 away!"



Further by the same author of the previous post:

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> >The speed of the USB bus is significantly slower than Ethernet.


> USB 1.1 raw speed is 12Mbps, faster than 10Mbps ethernet.
> USB 2 is 480Mbps.


So who uses 10Mbps Ethernet anymore? 12Mbps *is* significantly slower
than 100Mbps Ethernet, although you'll never approach those speeds
connecting to a cablemodem as the context of my original message said.

As for USB 2, so what? I don't know of any USB 2.0 cablemodems, so the
cablemodem will max-out at 12Mbps. And while theoretically you can mix
USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 devices on the same port of the root hub and still
have the USB 2.0 devices operate in USB 2.0 mode (if you're using a
USB 2.0 hub, that is), it doesn't always work that way in the real
world. I have not seen any good real world data that shows that the
USB 1.1 device will simply take up 12Mbps of the theoretical 480Mbps
speed available to USB 2.0 devices on the same root.

And the fact that there is so little real world data available on this
subject underscores how immature USB is compared to Ethernet.
Ethernet, even 100Mbps Ethernet, uses a mature, reliable technology
that has a specific purpose. That trumps an immature
jack-of-all-trades technology.

USB 1.1 can be considered commercially successful. And while USB 2.0
may eventually replace Firewire as the next bus that'll be
commercially successful, it is not yet at that stage, and it doesn't
seem to be moving that direction as quickly as some people predicted.

The conclusion is still the same. A cablemodem to NIC configuration is
preferable to a cablemodem to USB configuration except when it is not
practical to install a NIC (for example, a laptop with a USB port, but
no built-in NIC.)

Warren H.
 
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      03-01-2004, 10:28 PM
On 1 Mar 2004 11:41:11 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) (jameson) wrote:

>I work for a school environment, I do not teach, I just manage the
>network and computers.
>The computer teacher is always coming up with these bright ideas and
>he has to come talk to me about them, I guess as a way to "think out
>loud"...
>He came to me today and asked me about something I had never thought
>about...nor KNOW anything about...
>
>He asked me why dont all our computers with USB ports use the USB port
>as the netwotk connection... he says "USB is 400-and-something
>megabytes fast! That blows a 10/100 away!"
>He asked me what sort of additional cost this would incure, what the
>downside is and what the upside is... My fear is that I would have to
>buy new switches and routers for this...
>
>My network at a glance:
>T-1 internet with a sonicwall firewall, about 250 nodes, all connected
>with a 10/100 NIC to cisco 10/100 catalyst switches, with CAT5e
>cabling.
>
>Any thoughts? I'd like to improve my speed, but not but having to work
>all summer recabling and not buy spending half my budget on new
>equiptment...
>any thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>Jazz Mann


While the others are slogging it out on the bandwidth side and considering the
cable modem implications (?) I would simply advise you to invite your teacher
friend to scurry off and find the USB equivalent for a 250 node switch array.

/daytripper (Don't forget to wish him "Good Luck" ;-)
 
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