Uncontended bandwidth - upload between 256Kb-512Kb

What companies/products fits this criteria above.
We are wanting to host a site for 25 users and lease line is too much,
SDSL is n/a and broadband all seems to be high contentions.

Thanks.

hals_left wrote:

> What companies/products fits this criteria above.

ADSL with >256Kb upload? None using a single PSTN line.

Several (e.g aa.nu) will bond multiple lines to increase both upload and
download speeds.

But expect to pay by the limb if you want it uncontended, though
demon.net and perhaps others offer 1:1 or 5:1 contention, not sure if
they also do bonding to get you above 256Kb though.

You're getting into the terrirory where eveyone wants to protect their
leased line revenue.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:36:59 +0000, Andy Burns
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>ADSL with >256Kb upload? None using a single PSTN line.

unless its unbundled by Bulldog or Easynet

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Phil Thompson wrote:

> unless its unbundled by Bulldog or Easynet

Hadn't realised they were faster up as well as down ...

Anyone know what Bulldog's "up to 400Kb/s upload" means in practice? Or
indeed why Bulldog restrict to 400Kb/s when Easynet offer 768kb/s?

On 17 Dec 2004 06:50:40 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) (hals_left) wrote:

>What companies/products fits this criteria above.
>We are wanting to host a site for 25 users and lease line is too much,
>SDSL is n/a and broadband all seems to be high contentions.
>
>Thanks.

IPStream-based SDSL carries a 10:1 contention ratio, so no-go there,
and not available anyway, as you say.

Datastream-based products - can't comment.

Some LLU based products may be advertised as uncontended, but will the
LLU providers make a cast-iron guarantee, backed up with SLAs and SLGs
that your connection is totally uncontended from your premises to
their Internet borders? I doubt it.

The product that fits your technical requirements is a leased line,
but it doesn't fit your budget. How much have you been quoted, out of
interest?

On 17 Dec 2004 06:50:40 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) (hals_left) wrote:

>and broadband all seems to be high contentions.

you have to ask what contention effect is seen in practice. ADSLguide
speed tests, for example, show averages of fairly large samples up at
around 90% of rated speed.

Rumour is that 50:1 Home products are actually contended at more like
15:1 in practice. A pair of 2M 20:1 ADSL circuits into a load
balancing router would probably be fine for 25 users assuming they
aren't all maxing out their connection continually, having 2 circuits
gets you 512k of upload to share, but one user would only see 256k max
(unless you went for 2 bonded circuits).

Phil
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"hals_left" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> What companies/products fits this criteria above.
> We are wanting to host a site for 25 users and lease line is too much,
> SDSL is n/a and broadband all seems to be high contentions.
>
> Thanks.
You might want to check out Pipex Wireless depending on your location

"Andy Burns" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Phil Thompson wrote:
>
>> unless its unbundled by Bulldog or Easynet
>
> Hadn't realised they were faster up as well as down ...
>
> Anyone know what Bulldog's "up to 400Kb/s upload" means in practice?

400K - Its described as "up to" to cover themselves - as all ISPs do (i.e.
up to 512K etc)

> Or indeed why Bulldog restrict to 400Kb/s when Easynet offer 768kb/s?

Bulldog do offer upto 512K upload on their business LLU products. However, a
lower upload speed means more lines will be in spec..

Easynet's consumer subsidiary (UKOnline) also limit their upload to 400K..
though they do offer upto 8MB download

Regards
Sunil

"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On 17 Dec 2004 06:50:40 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) (hals_left) wrote:
>
> >and broadband all seems to be high contentions.
>
> you have to ask what contention effect is seen in practice. ADSLguide
> speed tests, for example, show averages of fairly large samples up at
> around 90% of rated speed.

Agreed. and since uplinks run slower but the DSLAM backhaul is symmetric
bandwidth (and uplinks tend to be less heavily loaded) - the effective
contention on uplink is better.
>
> Rumour is that 50:1 Home products are actually contended at more like
> 15:1 in practice.

this may well be due to the large number of DSLAMs. Each ISP buys job lots
of backhaul per DSLAM - so if they only have 7 users on that DSLAM, 7:1 is
as poor as the ISP can make it.....

Evan then the "average" line spends most of its time idle, so you get a lot
of statistical gain.

A pair of 2M 20:1 ADSL circuits into a load
> balancing router would probably be fine for 25 users assuming they
> aren't all maxing out their connection continually, having 2 circuits
> gets you 512k of upload to share, but one user would only see 256k max
> (unless you went for 2 bonded circuits).

This is true so long as the ISP has enough users that you dont have your 2
circuits contending with themselves all the time.

If you 2 * 2M feeds, and the DSLAM is configured with a single 2M aggregate
for your ISP and that ADSL speed, then you wont get much extra throughput
over a single ADSL link.
>
> Phil
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Sunil Sood wrote:

> 400K - Its described as "up to" to cover themselves - as all ISPs do (i.e.
> up to 512K etc)

Wonderd if it was like RADSL and varied on line quality