UK phone spammer ignoring TPS, something.info.

These phone spammers are ringing up people pretending to be from BT
and saying that they can reduce the phone bill and broadband prices.

They are ignoring the TPS completely.

www.something.info

phone numbers 08716641481, 08716641509

See here also :-

http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/08716641481

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:07:20 GMT, "Ato_Zee" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
>> > They are ignoring the TPS completely.
>
>AIUI TPS is a voluntary code of practice, and
>conformance is not a legal obligation.
1st hit on google:
http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/tps/

<snip of the 1st para>
The Telephone Preference Service (TPS) is the central opt out register
on which you can record your preference not to receive unsolicited
sales and marketing telephone calls to your home or mobile telephone
numbers. It is a legal requirement that all organisations (including
charities, voluntary organisations and political parties) do not make
such calls to numbers registered on the TPS unless they have your
consent to do so.

>To get round it many calls come from overseas
>call centres, with no caller ID available.

and you are right - overseas companies are not covered - but if a UK
company uses calls from overseas then it is:
http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/tps/faq/#thirteen

<snip from the FAQ>
13. Will registering on the TPS stop unsolicited sales and marketing
calls from overseas?

Companies based abroad who call into the UK and who are making calls
on behalf of a UK based company, must comply with UK regulations and
screen their call lists against TPS before making an unsolicited sales
and marketing call to a UK telephone number. We do make the file
available to overseas based companies under licence for the purpose of
suppression so they know whom not to telephone but many overseas
companies who telephone the UK on their own account from overseas do
so to avoid legal and self regulatory restrictions. We would advise
caution in responding to unsolicited sales and marketing telephone
calls from overseas especially if they are asking you to send them
money or using a premium rate phone line (numbers beginning with 09).
If you are receiving unsolicited sales and marketing calls from
overseas you should contact the overseas company who is making the
call.
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[Ato_Zee], on Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:07:20 GMT, said :-

>
>> > They are ignoring the TPS completely.
>
>AIUI TPS is a voluntary code of practice, and
>conformance is not a legal obligation.

Please don't make assumptions.

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:21:42 +0000, Spin Dryer <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>[Ato_Zee], on Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:07:20 GMT, said :-
>
>>
>>> > They are ignoring the TPS completely.
>>
>>AIUI TPS is a voluntary code of practice, and
>>conformance is not a legal obligation.
>
>Please don't make assumptions.

Quote from the letter of confirmation when I registered my phone
number

Date 22nd May 2001
Now that you have registered your telephone number will be added to
the TPS register. This register is made available to those companies
and organisations who are licenced with the TPS and who may promote
there services or products by using the telephone;in this way they
will know not to call you


So it appears at that time if a company did not Get licenced with TPS
they were not bound by it. The rules have probably changed since as
there is no mention of mobile phones on this letter. In my opinion
the TPS is a toothless tiger anyway we have not noticed any reduction
in the number of these calls,
Regarding calls to mobiles My wife was getting calls and text messages
of a very obnoxious sexual nature we involved the tps and the police
and they could not stop them we had to get orange to block call from
the number that was calling,so now she gets 'a text message was
deleted' on her mobile

[Ato_Zee], on Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:57:00 GMT, said :-

>
>> >> > They are ignoring the TPS completely.
>> >
>> >AIUI TPS is a voluntary code of practice, and
>> >conformance is not a legal obligation.
>>
>> Please don't make assumptions.
>
>Well that accounts for all the "You have won a holiday"
>ans similar sales pitches, after you have registered with TPS.
>Are they sellong the opt-out list ????

If they are international calls, then the TPS is useless as you said,
unless the company is in the UK.

The truth is the TPS are appalling, they don't fine heavily enough.
They should be allowed to cut off the company totally, that'll make
others take note.

[Walter], on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:00:51 +0000, said :-

>On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:21:42 +0000, Spin Dryer <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>>[Ato_Zee], on Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:07:20 GMT, said :-
>>
>>>
>>>> > They are ignoring the TPS completely.
>>>
>>>AIUI TPS is a voluntary code of practice, and
>>>conformance is not a legal obligation.
>>
>>Please don't make assumptions.
>
>Quote from the letter of confirmation when I registered my phone
>number
>
>Date 22nd May 2001

>
>So it appears at that time if a company did not Get licenced with TPS
>they were not bound by it. The rules have probably changed since as
>there is no mention of mobile phones on this letter.

Out of date, see http://www.mpsonline.org.uk/tps/ first sentence.


> In my opinion
>the TPS is a toothless tiger

This is without doubt true.


>Regarding calls to mobiles My wife was getting calls and text messages
>of a very obnoxious sexual nature we involved the tps and the police
>and they could not stop them we had to get orange to block call from
>the number that was calling,so now she gets 'a text message was
>deleted' on her mobile

Depends where the messages were coming from, if it was from the UK,
then they should have acted. It could easily have been a Voip call,
which can virtually be made to appear from anywhere.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Spin Dryer
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes

>The truth is the TPS are appalling, they don't fine heavily enough.

The TPS is run by the DMA, the Direct Marketing Association, a classic
case of 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes?'...

It's meant to be self-regulated, but look where that got us with the
banks.

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"Spin Dryer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> These phone spammers are ringing up people pretending to be from BT
> and saying that they can reduce the phone bill and broadband prices.
>
> They are ignoring the TPS completely.
>
> www.info
>
> phone numbers 087, 087
>
>
>
So what do you really think a newsgroup is going to do for you?
If they call you, say "NO" and just leave the phone for an hour.
If everyone did that the company would run up huge bills.

If people are so genuinely thick that they can't be trusted using
a phone, maybe it is time to cancel the contract. Why don't you
give BT a call and then you will solve YOUR problem.

"Ato_Zee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Ilcvl.165430$(E-Mail Removed)2...
>
>> > They are ignoring the TPS completely.
>
> AIUI TPS is a voluntary code of practice, and
> conformance is not a legal obligation.
> To get round it many calls come from overseas
> call centres, with no caller ID available.

That's better still. If you don't know the name/number
calling, ignore the call. Some idiots can't even do that!

"Stephen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:07:20 GMT, "Ato_Zee" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> > They are ignoring the TPS completely.
>>
>>AIUI TPS is a voluntary code of practice, and
>>conformance is not a legal obligation.
> 1st hit on google:
> http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/tps/
>
> <snip of the 1st para>
> The Telephone Preference Service (TPS) is the central opt out register
> on which you can record your preference not to receive unsolicited
> sales and marketing telephone calls to your home or mobile telephone
> numbers. It is a legal requirement that all organisations (including
> charities, voluntary organisations and political parties) do not make
> such calls to numbers registered on the TPS unless they have your
> consent to do so.
>

Can you name any cases showing the TPS prosecuting ANY company?
Names of companies and approximate year, also sentence and name of
people found guilty will do nicely.