two netgear routers

I am using two netgear routers (WGR614 and MR814) for the following
situation. I have the WGR614 as the 'main' router and the MR814 as an
access point. The MR814 is configured with DHCP off and the ip address
assigned outside the range of the WGR614's ip range.

This works fine with my current setup which is as follows:
Hooked to the WGR614 is
1 wireless computer
1 wired computer
1 xbox with xbox live
1 ethernet cable going to the MR814

The MR814 has an external antenna that reaches one other computer in a
workroom (the workroom is actually a seperate building) behind the
house wirelessly.

My problem is that I have gotten a new notebook computer and am trying
to use it in the workroom also. It is showing a strong signal from the
MR814, but not an ip address. When I take it into the house, it
connects with no problems to the WGR614. What am I missing to get the
notebook and desktop in the workroom online at the same time?

I tried turning DHCP on for the MR814, but it kills the computers
hooked to the WGR614. Any ideas?

On 16-Dec-2005, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

> I am using two netgear routers (WGR614 and MR814) for the following
> situation. I have the WGR614 as the 'main' router and the MR814 as an
> access point. The MR814 is configured with DHCP off and the ip address
> assigned outside the range of the WGR614's ip range.
>
> This works fine with my current setup which is as follows:
> Hooked to the WGR614 is
> 1 wireless computer
> 1 wired computer
> 1 xbox with xbox live
> 1 ethernet cable going to the MR814
>
> The MR814 has an external antenna that reaches one other computer in a
> workroom (the workroom is actually a seperate building) behind the
> house wirelessly.
>
> My problem is that I have gotten a new notebook computer and am trying
> to use it in the workroom also. It is showing a strong signal from the
> MR814, but not an ip address. When I take it into the house, it
> connects with no problems to the WGR614. What am I missing to get the
> notebook and desktop in the workroom online at the same time?
>
> I tried turning DHCP on for the MR814, but it kills the computers
> hooked to the WGR614. Any ideas?

If I'm not mistaken, the MR814 is a wireless B router ONLY while the WGR614
is a B/G wireless router. It is common to make the outdated device as your
main router and the newer device as the wireless access point. The reason
your new notebook is accessing the WGR614 is because the adapter card inside
probably has a preferred setting of "G", especially if it's an intel card
like the one inside my newest laptop. Even though the wireless band setting
is set to B & G, the preferred setting is set to G. Meaning: If a B and a G
device are both present, your card will attempt to access the device G.
Therefore, check your adapter card's settings. If you decide to not make
the WGR614 your access point, then change your new computer's adapter card
settings to wireless B mode only. That "should" solve your problem.

--
Just Me, D

I tried that, and it did not work. I actually did not find any setting
to specifically choose b only, but when I look at the details, it shows
connection to the b network.

I am not sure what is going on. Any other ideas?

On 16 Dec 2005 20:08:10 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>I am using two netgear routers (WGR614 and MR814) for the following
>situation. I have the WGR614 as the 'main' router and the MR814 as an
>access point. The MR814 is configured with DHCP off and the ip address
>assigned outside the range of the WGR614's ip range.
>
>This works fine with my current setup which is as follows:
>Hooked to the WGR614 is
>1 wireless computer
>1 wired computer
>1 xbox with xbox live
>1 ethernet cable going to the MR814
>
>The MR814 has an external antenna that reaches one other computer in a
>workroom (the workroom is actually a seperate building) behind the
>house wirelessly.
>
>My problem is that I have gotten a new notebook computer and am trying
>to use it in the workroom also. It is showing a strong signal from the
>MR814, but not an ip address. When I take it into the house, it
>connects with no problems to the WGR614. What am I missing to get the
>notebook and desktop in the workroom online at the same time?
>
>I tried turning DHCP on for the MR814, but it kills the computers
>hooked to the WGR614. Any ideas?

Hooking to routers in series will work, but only if you they are on
different IP address blocks. For example, the default IP block for
both the WGR614 and MR814 is 192.168.0.xxx which will not work. You
should be able to make it work by changing the LAN side IP address for
the MR814 to 192.168.111.1 and turning back on the DHCP server. The
111 can be anything from 1 to 254 but should NOT be the same as what's
used by the WGR614.

However, you really should not have two routers in series. Lots of
complications with this setup. Instead convert the MR814 from a
wireless router to just an access point (disabling the router section
in the process). To do this:
1. Change the IP address of the MR814 to 192.168.0.2. It shoud be in
the same IP block as the WGR614 but not duplicate the WGR614's IP
address.
2. Turn OFF the DHCP server. The Laptop will get its IP address from
the WGR614.
3. Ignore the WAN (internet) port on the MR814. It's not to be used.
4. Connect a cable from a LAN port on the WGR614 to a LAN port on the
MR814. Check the lights on the front of the boxes to make sure you
have the correct polarity cable connection. This normally requires a
cross over ethernet cable, but I think the WGR614 has autopolarity
ethernet connections.

That should do it.
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Sorry it took so long to reply. I have still not gotten it to work.
Here is my current setup.

Netgear WGR614 is hooked to the cable modem. Address for it is
192.168.1.1. (It is set for an address range of 192.168.1.2 thru
192.168.1.51)

I have an ethernet patch cable running from port 4 of the WGR614 to
port 4 of the MR814. The MR814 has an ip address of 192.168.1.50. The
MR814 has an external antenna hooked to it that sends the signal to a
desktop computer in a seperate building/shop behind my house. The
MR814 has DHCP turned off. The desktop gets a great signal and I have
had no problems at all with it since I originally set up the network.
I have a Netgear PCI wireless card in it.

My problem comes in with a notebook computer I just purchased. It is a
Dell Inspiron 9300 with built in wireless card. It shows it is getting
a good signal and even finds my wireless network, but will never pull
an IP address to actually get online. I cannot figure it out.

There was a question before about which router it was getting signal
from. Both the desktop and notebook computer are getting wireless
signal from the MR814. My reason behind this is that I unplug the
MR814 and I lose signal on both computers. I don't know what else to
try. Any other ideas or suggestions?

On 16 Jan 2006 11:34:22 -0800, in alt.internet.wireless ,
(E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>My problem comes in with a notebook computer I just purchased. It is a
>Dell Inspiron 9300 with built in wireless card. It shows it is getting
>a good signal and even finds my wireless network, but will never pull
>an IP address to actually get online. I cannot figure it out.

Ensure the lappy is in DHCP mode.

Try connecting the laptop via cabled ethernet, see if that works. If
not, you have a general networking problem w/ the lappy.

Ensure both notebook and router are using the same protocol eg 11b.
The laptop may default to 11g.

Turn off all security on your routers. If this solves it, you have an
encryption key problem, mac address denial etc.


Mark McIntyre
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Ok, here is what I tried and think for some reason that I have found
the problem. Should have thought of this far before now...I took the
notebook and physically started right at the MR814. Connected fine
with no problems at all. (This tells me everything is set up ok with
that. Yes, I was connected to the MR814 access point. I unplugged the
MR814 and lost connection on the notebook.) Began to slowly walk away
from the MR814 toward the building/shop behind the house. When I get
about 2/3 of the way there, I begin to lose connection. Still shows
good signal, but no connection.

What I did to monitor this is to loop a ping test so I could watch when
I began to lose packets. I didn't lose any packets at all until 2/3 of
the way there. At that point, it began to lose most of the packets.
The wireless signal was around 50-60% (which windows actually rated as
good), but at that point, I lost all of the packets in the ping loop.
Start to walk back towards the MR814 and start to get the connection
back, not losing any packets at all.

So am I reasoning correctly that this is a signal problem...that it is
too far or interference with the signal?
I don't understand why it would have a good signal but not be able to
connect, but that seems to be the case to me.
Does this sound right, or am I just way off base here? Thanks again
for the input.

On 17 Jan 2006 13:37:02 -0800, in alt.internet.wireless ,
(E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>So am I reasoning correctly that this is a signal problem...that it is
>too far or interference with the signal?

how far?

>I don't understand why it would have a good signal but not be able to
>connect, but that seems to be the case to me.

Consider old fashioned radio, the sort you listen to. You can have
terrific signal, but be unable to hear the station because its swamped
in background noise. What causes the noise varies, but wifi is subject
to multipath, corner effects etc etc same as any wave.



Mark McIntyre
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