Tough Internet Dialup->Wireless->Router->Notebook question

I am trying to set up the following network:

Desktop computer with 56kb Dial-up access (in boonies, no cable or DSL avail).
Linksys Wireless Router
Notebook

I want to be able to access the Internet (surfing and mail) from my upstairs
Notbook (via the wireless router), and have access and be able to use the
dial-up connection that is available on my downstairs desktop. I believe I
should be able to make that work if I have ICS (Internet Connection Sharing)
running on the downstairs desktop computer. I can't seem to get the network
set up right, at all.

I found an "Allow other network Users to connect through this computer's
Internet connection" option under Internet Connection Sharing on the Advanced
Tab of the Internet Options->Connections->Settings pop-up, which really
looked good to me, but when I checked it -- it didn't help PLUS when checked,
I lost the ability to print from the Notebook to the shared printers on the
desktop (got a Print Spooler not running error on the Notebook).

Where can I get some help on how to set up this network configuration --
Thanks.
--
Ron Smith in Round Rock

Ok, so your desktop is connected to the Internet via a modem. So I assume
you have a second ethernet or wireless connection from that desktop into the
wireless router? If this is the case then it should be possible for the
notebook to connect to the internet through the desktops dial-up internet
connection. Please ensure you have undertaken the following steps:

Right-click your dial-up connection on the desktop machine select
'Properties' click the advanced tab and then tick the 'Allow other network
users to connect through this computer's Internet connection' checkbox

On your notebook computer Click Start > All Programs > Accessories >
Communications > Network Setup Wizard

Click the 'This computer connects to the Internet through another computer'
radio button, and click Next.

Select your desktop computer's dial-up connection and click the Next button

Enter a computer description and name and click Next

Enter a workgroup name which should be the same as the desktop computers
workgroup name and click Next

Click Next again to accept your settings

Finally, click the Finish button to exit



--
All the best,

Ryan Younger.
http://spaces.msn.com/members/wirelessnetworking/ - Ryan's Wireless
Networking Weblog

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"Ron Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:8C2E023F-9736-47D2-8B72-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am trying to set up the following network:
>
> Desktop computer with 56kb Dial-up access (in boonies, no cable or DSL
> avail).
> Linksys Wireless Router
> Notebook
>
> I want to be able to access the Internet (surfing and mail) from my
> upstairs
> Notbook (via the wireless router), and have access and be able to use the
> dial-up connection that is available on my downstairs desktop. I believe
> I
> should be able to make that work if I have ICS (Internet Connection
> Sharing)
> running on the downstairs desktop computer. I can't seem to get the
> network
> set up right, at all.
>
> I found an "Allow other network Users to connect through this computer's
> Internet connection" option under Internet Connection Sharing on the
> Advanced
> Tab of the Internet Options->Connections->Settings pop-up, which really
> looked good to me, but when I checked it -- it didn't help PLUS when
> checked,
> I lost the ability to print from the Notebook to the shared printers on
> the
> desktop (got a Print Spooler not running error on the Notebook).
>
> Where can I get some help on how to set up this network configuration --
> Thanks.
> --
> Ron Smith in Round Rock

"Ryan Younger" wrote:

> Ok, so your desktop is connected to the Internet via a modem. So I assume
> you have a second ethernet or wireless connection from that desktop into the
> wireless router? If this is the case then it should be possible for the
> notebook to connect to the internet through the desktops dial-up internet
> connection. Please ensure you have undertaken the following steps:
>
> Right-click your dial-up connection on the desktop machine select
> 'Properties' click the advanced tab and then tick the 'Allow other network
> users to connect through this computer's Internet connection' checkbox
>
> On your notebook computer Click Start > All Programs > Accessories >
> Communications > Network Setup Wizard
>
> Click the 'This computer connects to the Internet through another computer'
> radio button, and click Next.
>
> Select your desktop computer's dial-up connection and click the Next button
>
> Enter a computer description and name and click Next
>
> Enter a workgroup name which should be the same as the desktop computers
> workgroup name and click Next
>
> Click Next again to accept your settings
>
> Finally, click the Finish button to exit
>
>
>
> --
> All the best,
>
> Ryan Younger.
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/wirelessnetworking/ - Ryan's Wireless
> Networking Weblog
>
> (E-Mail Removed)
>
>
>
> "Ron Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:8C2E023F-9736-47D2-8B72-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I am trying to set up the following network:
> >
> > Desktop computer with 56kb Dial-up access (in boonies, no cable or DSL
> > avail).
> > Linksys Wireless Router
> > Notebook
> >
> > I want to be able to access the Internet (surfing and mail) from my
> > upstairs
> > Notbook (via the wireless router), and have access and be able to use the
> > dial-up connection that is available on my downstairs desktop. I believe
> > I
> > should be able to make that work if I have ICS (Internet Connection
> > Sharing)
> > running on the downstairs desktop computer. I can't seem to get the
> > network
> > set up right, at all.
> >
> > I found an "Allow other network Users to connect through this computer's
> > Internet connection" option under Internet Connection Sharing on the
> > Advanced
> > Tab of the Internet Options->Connections->Settings pop-up, which really
> > looked good to me, but when I checked it -- it didn't help PLUS when
> > checked,
> > I lost the ability to print from the Notebook to the shared printers on
> > the
> > desktop (got a Print Spooler not running error on the Notebook).
> >
> > Where can I get some help on how to set up this network configuration --
> > Thanks.
> > --
> > Ron Smith in Round Rock
>
>
>
One other thing to add to what Ryan said;
Make sure your wireless router is in AP (Access Point) mode and not acting
as a DHCP server. When you set up the desktop to share the dial-up it will
also be acting as the DHCP server using 192.168.0.1. If the Wireless router
is also trying to give out IPs it will choke everything (why you lost the
ability to print, etc.).
The desktop modem --> internet
desktop --> (wired) to wireless router (acting as an access point only, not
using it's DHCP server)
notebook --> (wireless) to wireless router
desktop will be the DHCP server and give out an IP to the notebook when it
requests one from the network. If you check the box on the dial-up
connection to allow network users to configure and control the connection,
the desktop will dial out automatically (assuming you checked the box to save
your password) whenever any machine (desktop or notebook) on the network
makes a request for information from the internet.

____________
Nill

Ryan-

Thanks a lot for the help -- it is exactly the kind of information I need.
Yes, you have the configuration correct. However, on the Notebook, after
clicking "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer", I
am never offered any option/choice to select the dial-up connection on the
desktop -- all I get is "Give this computer a name", followed by "Name your
Network" followed by File and Ptint Sharing options" followed by "Applying
settings".

Something must be set up wrong in the desktop or something funny is going
through the wireless router (connection from Notebook to router is excellent).

Also, as I mentioned earlier, when I turn the "share this connection" option
on the desktop, I lose the ability to print from my notebook -- RPC not
running or available or something like that.
--
Ron Smith in Round Rock


"Ryan Younger" wrote:

> Ok, so your desktop is connected to the Internet via a modem. So I assume
> you have a second ethernet or wireless connection from that desktop into the
> wireless router? If this is the case then it should be possible for the
> notebook to connect to the internet through the desktops dial-up internet
> connection. Please ensure you have undertaken the following steps:
>
> Right-click your dial-up connection on the desktop machine select
> 'Properties' click the advanced tab and then tick the 'Allow other network
> users to connect through this computer's Internet connection' checkbox
>
> On your notebook computer Click Start > All Programs > Accessories >
> Communications > Network Setup Wizard
>
> Click the 'This computer connects to the Internet through another computer'
> radio button, and click Next.
>
> Select your desktop computer's dial-up connection and click the Next button
>
> Enter a computer description and name and click Next
>
> Enter a workgroup name which should be the same as the desktop computers
> workgroup name and click Next
>
> Click Next again to accept your settings
>
> Finally, click the Finish button to exit
>
>
>
> --
> All the best,
>
> Ryan Younger.
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/wirelessnetworking/ - Ryan's Wireless
> Networking Weblog
>
> (E-Mail Removed)
>
>
>
> "Ron Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:8C2E023F-9736-47D2-8B72-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I am trying to set up the following network:
> >
> > Desktop computer with 56kb Dial-up access (in boonies, no cable or DSL
> > avail).
> > Linksys Wireless Router
> > Notebook
> >
> > I want to be able to access the Internet (surfing and mail) from my
> > upstairs
> > Notbook (via the wireless router), and have access and be able to use the
> > dial-up connection that is available on my downstairs desktop. I believe
> > I
> > should be able to make that work if I have ICS (Internet Connection
> > Sharing)
> > running on the downstairs desktop computer. I can't seem to get the
> > network
> > set up right, at all.
> >
> > I found an "Allow other network Users to connect through this computer's
> > Internet connection" option under Internet Connection Sharing on the
> > Advanced
> > Tab of the Internet Options->Connections->Settings pop-up, which really
> > looked good to me, but when I checked it -- it didn't help PLUS when
> > checked,
> > I lost the ability to print from the Notebook to the shared printers on
> > the
> > desktop (got a Print Spooler not running error on the Notebook).
> >
> > Where can I get some help on how to set up this network configuration --
> > Thanks.
> > --
> > Ron Smith in Round Rock
>
>
>

"Ron Smith" wrote:

> Ryan-
>
> Thanks a lot for the help -- it is exactly the kind of information I need.
> Yes, you have the configuration correct. However, on the Notebook, after
> clicking "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer", I
> am never offered any option/choice to select the dial-up connection on the
> desktop -- all I get is "Give this computer a name", followed by "Name your
> Network" followed by File and Ptint Sharing options" followed by "Applying
> settings".
>
> Something must be set up wrong in the desktop or something funny is going
> through the wireless router (connection from Notebook to router is excellent).
>
> Also, as I mentioned earlier, when I turn the "share this connection" option
> on the desktop, I lose the ability to print from my notebook -- RPC not
> running or available or something like that.
> --
> Ron Smith in Round Rock
>
You probably won't get the option to select the desktop's dial-up connection
(on the notebook) until you make sure the router is not also acting as a
server. Turn of DHCP in the router, turn off the notebook, re-boot the
router, re-boot the desktop, and finally boot the notebook. The notebook
should be able to get an IP from the desktop then (it will be in the
192.168.0.xxx range) with 192.168.0.1 as the gateway (that will be the
desktop acting as the server) the desktop will also have it's own IP in the
192.168.0.xxx range (this is the desktop's IP on the network, the part that
is not the server). The wireless router will basically just be passing
information back and forth between the wireless side of things and the wired
side. If the IP on the notebook isn't correct open a command prompt (start
-> run -> type in cmd -> hit enter) and type ipconfig /release, then re-boot
the laptop.

_______
Nill

Hi Ron, you're welcome. As Nill has said you will need to make sure that
your wireless router is not running the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol
(DHCP) service as this would cause your router to lease an IP address to
both your desktop and notebook computer. This would cause an issue as your
desktop is also acting as a DHCP server as ICS is enabled (in older versions
of ICS you could actually disable the DHCP server, but no longer
unfortunately).

If you had the luxury of another machine your setup could be far more
straightforward, as you could have this machine sitting in-between your 56k
dial-up connection and your wireless router, effectively feeding your
internet connection to the wireless router. You could then have your
desktop and notebook machine connected to the wireless router (either wired
or wirelessly), being leased an IP from the internal DHCP server within the
wireless router. This would be a more straightforward solution and most
likely less problematic, however I doubt you have the luxury of another
computer lying around so we will need to troubleshoot this issue.

As a first step I would access your router's web based configuration page
and ensure that DHCP is disabled and reboot the wireless router. I would
then double-check your ICS configuration (even if it means configuring it
afresh), and whilst you're at you may also want to doublec-heck your windows
firewall client settings and may want to consider temporarily disabling the
WFC on each machine whilst setting up (be sure to re-enable it afterwards
though).

To speed up configuration you can run the network setup wizard on both
machines (Click Start > All Programs > Accessories > Communications >
Network Setup Wizard)

Finally, if you receive the message 'RPC service not available' again on
your notebook try clicking Start > Run... typing 'cmd' and clicking ok. Then
from the command prompt, run the following command:

net start RpcSs

If there is an issue with the service you should receive an error message
with details. You may also want to make sure that the RPC service is set to
automatic on your notebook:

Start > Run... > Type: 'services.msc' Click Ok. Locate and double
click: Remote Procedure Call (RPC) In the Startup Type field, select
'Automatic' Click Apply. Click the Start button and Click OK

--
All the best,

Ryan Younger.
http://spaces.msn.com/members/wirelessnetworking/ - Ryan's Wireless
Networking Weblog

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"Ron Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:62F3519F-8041-4BB9-BCE5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Ryan-
>
> Thanks a lot for the help -- it is exactly the kind of information I need.
> Yes, you have the configuration correct. However, on the Notebook, after
> clicking "This computer connects to the Internet through another
> computer", I
> am never offered any option/choice to select the dial-up connection on the
> desktop -- all I get is "Give this computer a name", followed by "Name
> your
> Network" followed by File and Ptint Sharing options" followed by "Applying
> settings".
>
> Something must be set up wrong in the desktop or something funny is going
> through the wireless router (connection from Notebook to router is
> excellent).
>
> Also, as I mentioned earlier, when I turn the "share this connection"
> option
> on the desktop, I lose the ability to print from my notebook -- RPC not
> running or available or something like that.
> --
> Ron Smith in Round Rock
>
>
> "Ryan Younger" wrote:
>
>> Ok, so your desktop is connected to the Internet via a modem. So I
>> assume
>> you have a second ethernet or wireless connection from that desktop into
>> the
>> wireless router? If this is the case then it should be possible for the
>> notebook to connect to the internet through the desktops dial-up internet
>> connection. Please ensure you have undertaken the following steps:
>>
>> Right-click your dial-up connection on the desktop machine select
>> 'Properties' click the advanced tab and then tick the 'Allow other
>> network
>> users to connect through this computer's Internet connection' checkbox
>>
>> On your notebook computer Click Start > All Programs > Accessories >
>> Communications > Network Setup Wizard
>>
>> Click the 'This computer connects to the Internet through another
>> computer'
>> radio button, and click Next.
>>
>> Select your desktop computer's dial-up connection and click the Next
>> button
>>
>> Enter a computer description and name and click Next
>>
>> Enter a workgroup name which should be the same as the desktop computers
>> workgroup name and click Next
>>
>> Click Next again to accept your settings
>>
>> Finally, click the Finish button to exit
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All the best,
>>
>> Ryan Younger.
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/wirelessnetworking/ - Ryan's Wireless
>> Networking Weblog
>>
>> (E-Mail Removed)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ron Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:8C2E023F-9736-47D2-8B72-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I am trying to set up the following network:
>> >
>> > Desktop computer with 56kb Dial-up access (in boonies, no cable or DSL
>> > avail).
>> > Linksys Wireless Router
>> > Notebook
>> >
>> > I want to be able to access the Internet (surfing and mail) from my
>> > upstairs
>> > Notbook (via the wireless router), and have access and be able to use
>> > the
>> > dial-up connection that is available on my downstairs desktop. I
>> > believe
>> > I
>> > should be able to make that work if I have ICS (Internet Connection
>> > Sharing)
>> > running on the downstairs desktop computer. I can't seem to get the
>> > network
>> > set up right, at all.
>> >
>> > I found an "Allow other network Users to connect through this
>> > computer's
>> > Internet connection" option under Internet Connection Sharing on the
>> > Advanced
>> > Tab of the Internet Options->Connections->Settings pop-up, which really
>> > looked good to me, but when I checked it -- it didn't help PLUS when
>> > checked,
>> > I lost the ability to print from the Notebook to the shared printers on
>> > the
>> > desktop (got a Print Spooler not running error on the Notebook).
>> >
>> > Where can I get some help on how to set up this network
>> > configuration --
>> > Thanks.
>> > --
>> > Ron Smith in Round Rock
>>
>>
>>