Tiscali - Fair Use part 2

Yet another fair use warning from Tiscali...

See:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.te...bd388c89173aad

This new warning is despite the fact that I haven't used streaming
internet radio at all. Nothing but the web and usenet (no binaries, purely
text discussions)... no downloads... nothing, during peak time,

Tiscali's fair use warnings appear to be pulled out of their arses. I can
only assume that Tiscali's measure of "exceptionaly high" appears to be
anyone who uses the internet for more than checking emails once or twice a
day during peak time. I don't think it's even worth the effort of querying
their warning. I'll just be treated to another form-letter email telling
me nothing of use.

I can only hold myself up as an example of why no-one should sign-up with
Tiscali. What a joke.

<uk.telecom.broadband , Cog , (E-Mail Removed)>
<(E-Mail Removed)>
<Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:04:09 +0000>

> Yet another fair use warning from Tiscali...
>
> See:
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.te...bd388c89173aad
>
> This new warning is despite the fact that I haven't used streaming
> internet radio at all. Nothing but the web and usenet (no binaries, purely
> text discussions)... no downloads... nothing, during peak time,
>
> Tiscali's fair use warnings appear to be pulled out of their arses. I can
> only assume that Tiscali's measure of "exceptionaly high" appears to be
> anyone who uses the internet for more than checking emails once or twice a
> day during peak time. I don't think it's even worth the effort of querying
> their warning. I'll just be treated to another form-letter email telling
> me nothing of use.
>
> I can only hold myself up as an example of why no-one should sign-up with
> Tiscali. What a joke.
>

I've been with tiscali about 6 months and i've never received a fair
warning from them yet .

While not defending them - wouldnt a lot more people be posting about it
to this newsgroup if what happened to you was the average .


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"Vhit" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> <uk.telecom.broadband , Cog , (E-Mail Removed)>

>
> I've been with tiscali about 6 months and i've never received a fair
> warning from them yet .
>
> While not defending them - wouldnt a lot more people be posting about it
> to this newsgroup if what happened to you was the average .
>

Maybe down to the reason that most of the users don't know what a newsgroup
is ;-)

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:38:10 +0000, Vhit wrote:

> I've been with tiscali about 6 months and i've never received a fair
> warning from them yet .
>
> While not defending them - wouldnt a lot more people be posting about it
> to this newsgroup if what happened to you was the average .

The only other possible reason is that they are warning me about my use
OUTSIDE peak hours (which is very high), but they repeatedly state
explicitly that use outside peak is unlimited: "You may upload and
download as you wish outside the peak hours". The only explanations are
that they are:

a) Lying about the unlimited outside peak claims

b) Varying what they consider exceptional according to the exchange --
meaning that if you live on a contended exchange you get warned for
virtually anything

c) They are measuring it incorrectly

I'm quite serious when I say that I have done nothing but web/text usenet
and haven't downloaded anything during peak time at all. Whatever they are
doing, I'm now in a situation where apparently my only option is to not
use the Internet at all during peak times... or I'll be put on this shared
pipe next month, despite being conscientious and careful about observing
their FUP. I may as well have not bothered and just left the downloads
going 24/7. So much for making the effort, eh?

Cog wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:38:10 +0000, Vhit wrote:
>
>
>>I've been with tiscali about 6 months and i've never received a fair
>>warning from them yet .
>>
>>While not defending them - wouldnt a lot more people be posting about it
>>to this newsgroup if what happened to you was the average .
>
>
> The only other possible reason is that they are warning me about my use
> OUTSIDE peak hours (which is very high), but they repeatedly state
> explicitly that use outside peak is unlimited: "You may upload and
> download as you wish outside the peak hours". The only explanations are
> that they are:
>
> a) Lying about the unlimited outside peak claims
>
> b) Varying what they consider exceptional according to the exchange --
> meaning that if you live on a contended exchange you get warned for
> virtually anything
>
> c) They are measuring it incorrectly
>
> I'm quite serious when I say that I have done nothing but web/text usenet
> and haven't downloaded anything during peak time at all. Whatever they are
> doing, I'm now in a situation where apparently my only option is to not
> use the Internet at all during peak times... or I'll be put on this shared
> pipe next month, despite being conscientious and careful about observing
> their FUP. I may as well have not bothered and just left the downloads
> going 24/7. So much for making the effort, eh?

Are you using the same 'Peak Times' as they are ?

--
The Caretaker .........

Just migrate to another provider. Tiscali have the worst reputation of any
ISP. If you are still in your 12 month contract have a look at the terms of
this warning. Most providers when they issue warnings are happy for you to
move to another ISP.

Dan

"Cog" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed). ..
> Yet another fair use warning from Tiscali...
>
> See:
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.te...bd388c89173aad
>
> This new warning is despite the fact that I haven't used streaming
> internet radio at all. Nothing but the web and usenet (no binaries, purely
> text discussions)... no downloads... nothing, during peak time,
>
> Tiscali's fair use warnings appear to be pulled out of their arses. I can
> only assume that Tiscali's measure of "exceptionaly high" appears to be
> anyone who uses the internet for more than checking emails once or twice a
> day during peak time. I don't think it's even worth the effort of querying
> their warning. I'll just be treated to another form-letter email telling
> me nothing of use.
>
> I can only hold myself up as an example of why no-one should sign-up with
> Tiscali. What a joke.

I put it to the thread that Tiscali are sending out nonesense 'Fair Use
Policy' (FUP) warnings to many people who hardly ever use their pathetic
slow broadband service, so that once they have had their three warnings,
they can then reduce your bandwidth even more during peak times by sticking
them on the 'so called bad boy pipe'. I think that is all its about. Three
warnings and your on lower bandwidth with the other people who are suposedly
abusing the system at peak hours. Just for the record, I am one of the
people they have targetted for heavy use during peak times. The fact of it
is, I have taken every effort to ensure I don't break their rules of the
Fair Use Policy, by installing automatic bandwidth control during their FUP
hours, nevertheless they still send me a warning. I suspect they are just
sending them to everyone randomly. I know of several other light users who
have been targetted too.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:48:19 +0000, John wrote:

> I put it to the thread that Tiscali are sending out nonesense 'Fair Use
> Policy' (FUP) warnings to many people who hardly ever use their pathetic
> slow broadband service, so that once they have had their three warnings,
> they can then reduce your bandwidth even more during peak times by
> sticking them on the 'so called bad boy pipe'. I think that is all its
> about. Three warnings and your on lower bandwidth with the other people
> who are suposedly abusing the system at peak hours. Just for the
> record, I am one of the people they have targetted for heavy use during
> peak times. The fact of it is, I have taken every effort to ensure I
> don't break their rules of the Fair Use Policy, by installing automatic
> bandwidth control during their FUP hours, nevertheless they still send
> me a warning. I suspect they are just sending them to everyone
> randomly. I know of several other light users who have been targetted
> too.

I'll be honest: I don't have any real complaints about the performance of
the network. I simply don't see how they can possibly claim my usage
during peak periods is "exceptionally high". I'm using about as much
bandwidth during peak periods as I did when I used dial-up with Wannadoo:

Slashdot
Wikipedia editing
Usenet discussions

That's it. No downloads. No P2P. No streaming. Nothing. To claim that my
use is exceptional is to claim that using my connection for anything other
than checking email is verboten. I just want to warn other people that
signing up for Tiscali based on their Fair Use Policy is a mug's decision.
If you, like me, just want to browse web sites and discuss stuff on usenet
during peak hours -- forget it, you will be violating their FUP.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:04:09 +0000, Cog <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>This new warning is despite the fact that I haven't used streaming
>internet radio at all. Nothing but the web and usenet (no binaries, purely
>text discussions)... no downloads... nothing, during peak time,

Check your usenet software settings. I had mine (Agent) set to "Always
get complete list of servers available messages" for each newsgroup,
for a while, and because my newserver seems to hold messages for a
couple of years, I was finding that each time I'd request new headers,
for each group, it would download about 20 megs even if there were
only a few new messages!

I'm not sure how good Tiscali's news server is, but this is obviously
an easy way to use a lot more bandwidth than you would think.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:21:35 +0000, Jon wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:04:09 +0000, Cog <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>This new warning is despite the fact that I haven't used streaming
>>internet radio at all. Nothing but the web and usenet (no binaries,
>>purely text discussions)... no downloads... nothing, during peak time,
>
> Check your usenet software settings. I had mine (Agent) set to "Always
> get complete list of servers available messages" for each newsgroup, for
> a while, and because my newserver seems to hold messages for a couple of
> years, I was finding that each time I'd request new headers, for each
> group, it would download about 20 megs even if there were only a few new
> messages! I'm not sure how good Tiscali's news server is,

Dreadful.

> but this is obviously an easy way to use a lot more bandwidth than you
> would think.

No, definitely not doing that. Thanks though.