Thanks all for trying...

I recently posted here with an apparently common problem of connecting a
wireless router to an ADSL modem/router. Thanks to all who replied and tried
to help me. I did some hours of work on the internet as well, but all I
could find was basically "it should work" instructions that didn't work at
all. Too bad because those were really extensive and useful articles that,
well, just didn't work out. So I am still doing something wrong or it is
simply not possible.

I had some success in getting both the w/l router and the modem connected
and accessible from my PC - IP addresses of 192.168.1.1 and .2
respectively - and the modem did connect as it always does, and the router
did its wi-fi job as it always does, and PING's were successful, and...
still no internet. Powered up the modem first, then the router, then the
computer... nothing. Tried the WAN port of the router first (for the modem
conenction), then the LAN port... nothing.

Hmmm, a nearby shop sells a Belkin modem/router now for about 7,000 Baht (a
bit over 115 Pounds)... tempting but not so much if you have the equivalent
value already spend on incompatible hardware (or an incompatible user, but
it seems a bit foolish to me to spend a total of 250 pound on connectivity).

Since I have not much to contribute to the UK internet scene from here,
perhaps I can convey my thanks by telling you a bit about the same scene in
Thailand.

Until maybe a year and a half ago, we here could access the internet
basically on a metered 56k connecton only. Many were lucky just to achieve
33.6 and some had even less. The prices were outrageous and when the first
"flat rate" packages were offered, they were priced at the same hourly rate
for 30x24 hours per month.

So then a while back the telecom monopoly and two of its private rivals (the
owner of one is also prime minister, or owner of this country) offered 256k
ADSL and cable connections (the cable was available only for users of the
single cable TV channel here, also owned by the prime minister, who also
owns the largest (former monopoly) cell phone network and several
satellites). The price? A very high hourly rate plus a flat fee for the
conenction, and you had to pay both the telecom network for the line (each
month) and the ISP. Later flat rates were introduced, which were exactly the
same amount as 56k x 4 (256k) x 24 x 30. That came to maybe 1,000 Pounds a
month, not an attractive offer in anybody's view.

Nobody bought this for about a year, when a private network owner (there are
two - state and private for telephone landlines) offered 30 hours of 512k
ADSL plus modem for about 40 pounds a month. That was quite affordable and
this was also when I signed on to my first ADSL plan. I actually quickly ran
out of ideas for downloads, but hey! its new and cool!

Just two months later they doubled my speed to 1,024/512 and extended the
monthly hours to 55, for free. Nice.

The company went on to increase its market share in Thailand to about 80%,
with the other private and state owned companies and their expensive plans
lagging far behind. Those who lost made public statements of focussing on
quality rather than sales and kept losing.

Today I pay a little bit less for a 4,096/512 unlimited plan - actually my
old USB ADSL modem software reported 6,xxx/512 but I could never verify
that - and although I never really get more than 800 kilobytes an hour per
download (the average is more 400 KBH, Thailand has a very narrow pipeline
into the main internet backbone, a legacy of government planning), I can
have several downloads at the same time to explore my bandwidth. But, in any
case the speed matters less than the 24/7 nature of the plan.

Now so many people are hooking up that things get a bit narrow, but the
infrastructure will grow if the money keeps flowing. Thailand is years
behind Korea (where ADSL is provided as naturally as fresh air) but we've
made the step into the 21st century with only a few years of lag!

I even convinced my office to change from the old 1995 plan (56k for 3,000
baht, or 50 pounds, a month) to a new 2048/512 for 2,400 Baht a month.
Problem now is, it takes 30 days for the tech guy to set up the connection
(since I failed to do it at home, I have decided not to embarass myself in
the office).

And the entire torture of getting the D-Link talk to the Zyxel is only
because of... women! I'd like to share the connection with my girlfriend (Ms
56k). Why, i even sponsored her to go out with her friends tonight and have
some fun, so that I can fix the problem for good. Already failed and she's
still here!

So, that's basically the situation and a brief history of the transition
from 56k to ADSL in Thailand. Nothing technical and fulyl unrelated to your
problems in the UK, but that's about all I can return to the newsgroup at
the moment. If I ever find the heart to buy yet another modem/router (say
the Belkin, which I saw recomemnded here), I guess you wouldn't want to hear
how well it worked out since you all already know that.

And I guess I lied when I said I'm only going to tell you "a bit" about the
situation here, but that was unintentionally. Got carried away.

Thanks again for trying to help me,

Cheers,

Roscoe

On 9 Oct 2004 in uk.telecom.broadband, "Roscoe" wrote:

>I even convinced my office to change from the old 1995 plan (56k for 3,000
>baht, or 50 pounds, a month) to a new 2048/512 for 2,400 Baht a month.

I suggested a change a while back for one of my clients - dropped their
costs by about 80% from over 4000 pounds a year to under 500 (and they
paid me 25% of the saving as a fee for a half hours work :-)

>And the entire torture of getting the D-Link talk to the Zyxel is only
>because of... women! I'd like to share the connection with my girlfriend

Do it with a cable :-) Tie her down !! :-))

>So, that's basically the situation and a brief history of the transition
>from 56k to ADSL in Thailand.

It was interesting, and I hope international access improves, and with more
users there, you may be better able to sell the kit you have and buy that
Belkin (or at least the Belkin will come down in price as things have
over here - routers eg dabsvalue costing 90+ 2 years ago are ~50 now)

I have been lucky enough to have used ADSL (500/256) since early 2002 when
it became possible to get user installed kit (instead of BT engineer visit
at often a high fee of 250 pounds, unless using BT Internet) and a friend's
exchange was only enabled about 3 weeks ago (he lives in the mountains a
bit further west of me in North Wales).

Some users have gone up to 1000 kbps (my second line is at that speed) but
others are unhappy their ISP doesn't yet offer 2000 kbps - so on our terms,
your higher speed services sound very good: you leap-frogged us!

When there is faster international traffic, costs go down, and coverage
expands across other parts of Thailand it will probably be difficult for
'older' markets to keep up (and we cannot catch S Korea now!)

Good luck, and thanks for the insight into developments/costs. Peter M.

- and although I never really get more than 800 kilobytes an hour per
> download (the average is more 400 KBH, Thailand has a very narrow pipeline
> into the main internet backbone, a legacy of government planning)

Am I missing something here?
800 Kilobytes per hour is 0.22 Kilobytes per Second
and why 'per download'


Graham.

"Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> - and although I never really get more than 800 kilobytes an hour per
>> download (the average is more 400 KBH, Thailand has a very narrow
>> pipeline
>> into the main internet backbone, a legacy of government planning)
>
> Am I missing something here?
> 800 Kilobytes per hour is 0.22 Kilobytes per Second
> and why 'per download'
>
>
> Graham.
>
>

Correct! I really messed up there. Plenty of things going on in my head
except the facts :-) What I meant to write was more like "800 MEGAbytes per
hour" of course. Otherwise why bother. Sometimes I really mix up the bits
and bytes.

The "per download" issue is maybe connected to a bandwidth throttle on the
server side. So let's say Fileplanet serves me with 200 kbps (I hope I got
this right this time) for a certain file, but I have a total of 4 files in
download, and each of them comes with approximately the same speed. But this
is annoying for say a 1.5 GB download, because it takes ages (I never
thought I'd say that when I was on 56k!) to finish.

Cheers,

Roscoe

Just following up with a message from D-Link customer support that may help
somebody (I haven't had the nerve to try it out yet):



"We understand from the email that the modem (Zyxel Prestige 645R-A1) has an
inbuilt router.

To connect a router (DI-714P+) to an existing router (modem with inbuilt
router), please follow the steps below:

Step 1 Do not use the WAN port on the second router(DI-714P+) . Use a
cross-over cable and connect for LAN port to LAN port.

Step 2 You will need to change the LAN IP address of the second router
(DI-714P+) to something other than the default 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.2
for example).

Step 3 Disable DHCP on the second router. To disable DHCP, go into the
routers configuration > Home > DHCP. Click Disable and then click apply.

Step 4 You computer will not receive a DHCP address from you DHCP server so
you will need to set the IP addresses statically on your computers.

To view the FAQ on how to set your IP address statically please visit:
http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=1053

*** If the issue persists, it is best you speak to live technical support.

Should you require further assistance with your D-Link products, please
reply to this message, or call toll free at 877-453-5465. Thank you for
networking with D-Link."

So I am still doing something wrong or it is
> simply not possible.
>
===========================

What do you reckon is your present hourly rate of pay?

How long can you and your family survive on your present negative income?

Just give up IT altogether and keep pigs, chickens and a dog, in a
rate-free, electricity-fee hut, without TV and a computer, in a remote
country forest.

Intelligent, educated, civilised and healthy people are happily doing it.

Forget all about weapons of mass destruction, the energy crisis, puppy-dog
Blair and robot Bush, and 'suicide' of whistle-blowing chief weapons
inspectors.

Why not you?

>
> "Reg Edwards" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:ck9ohm$1mq$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> What do you reckon is your present hourly rate of pay?
>>
>> How long can you and your family survive on your present negative income?
>>
>> Just give up IT altogether and keep pigs, chickens and a dog, in a
>> rate-free, electricity-fee hut, without TV and a computer, in a remote
>> country forest.
>>
>> Intelligent, educated, civilised and healthy people are happily doing it.
>>
>> Forget all about weapons of mass destruction, the energy crisis,
>> puppy-dog
>> Blair and robot Bush, and 'suicide' of whistle-blowing chief weapons
>> inspectors.
>>
>> Why not you?
>>
>>

That would solve my IT problem alright... sorry, I really do need
electricity. Plus what would happen to the forests if millions to billions
of city dwellers, in high density urban areas, suddenly all decided to have
an acre of land for farming? Purchased by what means? Nice idea though...

> " Roscoe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Just following up with a message from D-Link customer support that may
>> help somebody (I haven't had the nerve to try it out yet):
>>
>>
>> "We understand from the email that the modem (Zyxel Prestige 645R-A1) has
>> an inbuilt router.
>>
>> To connect a router (DI-714P+) to an existing router (modem with inbuilt
>> router), please follow the steps below:
>>
>> Step 1 Do not use the WAN port on the second router(DI-714P+) . Use a
>> cross-over cable and connect for LAN port to LAN port.
>>
>> Step 2 You will need to change the LAN IP address of the second router
>> (DI-714P+) to something other than the default 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.2
>> for example).
>>
>> Step 3 Disable DHCP on the second router. To disable DHCP, go into the
>> routers configuration > Home > DHCP. Click Disable and then click apply.
>>
>> Step 4 You computer will not receive a DHCP address from you DHCP server
>> so you will need to set the IP addresses statically on your computers.
>>
>> To view the FAQ on how to set your IP address statically please visit:
>> http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=1053
>>
>> *** If the issue persists, it is best you speak to live technical
>> support.
>>
>> Should you require further assistance with your D-Link products, please
>> reply to this message, or call toll free at 877-453-5465. Thank you for
>> networking with D-Link."
>>

So now I tried that and IT WORKS!

I have done several things so am not quite sure which one did it, but this
is what I did:

- used the LAN port on the DI-714P+

- disabled DHCP on the DI-714P+,

- used the existing IP addresses 192.168.1.1 (modem) and 192.168.1.2
(router)

- followed the tech support link to set up static IP address. Here were the
major differences in setting the DNS:

o IP address (static) 192.168.1.33 for the computer

o DNS 1 192.168.1.1 (pointing to the modem)

o DNS 2 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (pointing to the ISP DNS server)

Maybe I'll try enabling DHCP on the modem or the router later too see what
really did it, but for now I'm good :-)

Cheers,

Roscoe