Talk Talk DOES restrict P2P

This is a warning to anyone thinking of joining Talk Talk for their broadband
service,

DO NOT.

They are restricting access to P2P programs, I believe they are throttling.

Talk Talk won't admit they are throttling, but have admitted they are
restricting P2P use.

I only joined them this morning, I now wish I hadn't, I am now in the process
of migrating out, without being charged a fee, as they are not providing the
service they said they would, they said it had no hidden catches, which it
has.

AVOID Talk Talk like the plague.

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bextech-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> This is a warning to anyone thinking of joining Talk Talk for their
broadband
> service,
>
> DO NOT.
>
> They are restricting access to P2P programs, I believe they are throttling.
>
> Talk Talk won't admit they are throttling, but have admitted they are
> restricting P2P use.
>
> I only joined them this morning, I now wish I hadn't, I am now in the
process
> of migrating out, without being charged a fee, as they are not providing the
> service they said they would, they said it had no hidden catches, which it
> has.
>
> AVOID Talk Talk like the plague.
>
>

Now they say they shouldn't be restricting P2P, and will look into it and get
back to me within 48hrs!

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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" wrote:

>They are restricting access to P2P programs, I believe they are throttling.
>Talk Talk won't admit they are throttling, but have admitted they are
>restricting P2P use.

>I only joined them this morning, I now wish I hadn't, I am now in the process
>of migrating out, without being charged a fee, as they are not providing the
>service they said they would, they said it had no hidden catches, which it
>has.

It's only a 'catch' if you are a heavy user of peer-to-peer, so won't
affect everybody the same way....

>AVOID Talk Talk like the plague.

I'd love a poll of the 4,000,000 homes with broadband to see what
proportion of the bill payers could give two hoots about whether
this is a restriction they care about. I'd personally be happy to
recommend TalkTalk's service on the basis they have a policy to not
allow peer-to-peer take excessive traffic from other users, however,
I will be interested to see if there are other aspects of service the
TalkTalk provider decides to do (any idea which ISP is running it for
Carphone Warehouse, as I doubt they're doing it themselves!) Peter M.



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"Peter M" <us-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" wrote:
>
>>They are restricting access to P2P programs, I believe they are
>>throttling.
>>Talk Talk won't admit they are throttling, but have admitted they are
>>restricting P2P use.
>
>>I only joined them this morning, I now wish I hadn't, I am now in the
>>process
>>of migrating out, without being charged a fee, as they are not providing
>>the
>>service they said they would, they said it had no hidden catches, which it
>>has.
>
> It's only a 'catch' if you are a heavy user of peer-to-peer, so won't
> affect everybody the same way....
>
>>AVOID Talk Talk like the plague.
>
> I'd love a poll of the 4,000,000 homes with broadband to see what
> proportion of the bill payers could give two hoots about whether
> this is a restriction they care about. I'd personally be happy to
> recommend TalkTalk's service on the basis they have a policy to not
> allow peer-to-peer take excessive traffic from other users, however,
> I will be interested to see if there are other aspects of service the
> TalkTalk provider decides to do (any idea which ISP is running it for
> Carphone Warehouse, as I doubt they're doing it themselves!) Peter M.
>
>
>
> --
> PlusNet <http://tinyurl.com/24ymz> - I recommend them and save some cash.
>
> My other ISP : UK Free Software Network <http://www.ukfsn.org>
> UKFSN passes all profits to Free Software projects in the UK.


Carphone owns the backbone complete telecom company

http://www.opaltelecom.co.uk/pages/c...erview_set.htm

Derek.

"Peter M" <us-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" wrote:
>
> >They are restricting access to P2P programs, I believe they are throttling.
> >Talk Talk won't admit they are throttling, but have admitted they are
> >restricting P2P use.
>
> >I only joined them this morning, I now wish I hadn't, I am now in the
process
> >of migrating out, without being charged a fee, as they are not providing
the
> >service they said they would, they said it had no hidden catches, which it
> >has.
>
> It's only a 'catch' if you are a heavy user of peer-to-peer, so won't
> affect everybody the same way....
>
> >AVOID Talk Talk like the plague.
>
> I'd love a poll of the 4,000,000 homes with broadband to see what
> proportion of the bill payers could give two hoots about whether
> this is a restriction they care about. I'd personally be happy to
> recommend TalkTalk's service on the basis they have a policy to not
> allow peer-to-peer take excessive traffic from other users, however,
> I will be interested to see if there are other aspects of service the
> TalkTalk provider decides to do (any idea which ISP is running it for
> Carphone Warehouse, as I doubt they're doing it themselves!) Peter M.
>
>
>

CPW own Opal Telecom.

They have people investigating the known issue.

Previously I could download at 60k/s, with Talk Talk it is 0.5k/s for about 1
minute if you are lucky and then nothing. I am not a heavy user, but with
Talk Talk you can't even use anything at all.

This is very bad, and they are already acknowledging this is having a bad
impact on them.

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bextech-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Peter M" <us-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" wrote:
> >
> > >They are restricting access to P2P programs, I believe they are
throttling.
> > >Talk Talk won't admit they are throttling, but have admitted they are
> > >restricting P2P use.
> >
> > >I only joined them this morning, I now wish I hadn't, I am now in the
> process
> > >of migrating out, without being charged a fee, as they are not providing
> the
> > >service they said they would, they said it had no hidden catches, which
it
> > >has.
> >
> > It's only a 'catch' if you are a heavy user of peer-to-peer, so won't
> > affect everybody the same way....
> >
> > >AVOID Talk Talk like the plague.
> >
> > I'd love a poll of the 4,000,000 homes with broadband to see what
> > proportion of the bill payers could give two hoots about whether
> > this is a restriction they care about. I'd personally be happy to
> > recommend TalkTalk's service on the basis they have a policy to not
> > allow peer-to-peer take excessive traffic from other users, however,
> > I will be interested to see if there are other aspects of service the
> > TalkTalk provider decides to do (any idea which ISP is running it for
> > Carphone Warehouse, as I doubt they're doing it themselves!) Peter M.
> >
> >
> >
>
> CPW own Opal Telecom.
>
> They have people investigating the known issue.
>
> Previously I could download at 60k/s, with Talk Talk it is 0.5k/s for about
1
> minute if you are lucky and then nothing. I am not a heavy user, but with
> Talk Talk you can't even use anything at all.
>
> This is very bad, and they are already acknowledging this is having a bad
> impact on them.
>
>

What is the point of having an internet connection, if you can't use it?

They said to me they do not block ports, or restrict P2P before I signed up,
and then we hear / have all these problems!

In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> within
uk.telecom.broadband, 'Peter M' wrote:

>I'd personally be happy to
>recommend TalkTalk's service on the basis they have a policy to not
>allow peer-to-peer take excessive traffic from other users,

You mean you'd be happy to recomend a service that cripples the primary
aspect of the internet (peer to peer file transfer)

How would you feel if the common p2p inter-user file transfer happened
over port 80 via a HTTP interface? You'd have a pretty useless internet
connection then..

Either that or it would effectively firewall off 90% of the public IPs..

It's as if they have suddenly discovered that people can run servers from
the IPs they are allocated (now there's a surprise eh?) and decided that
they'd better strangle them.. I'm sure someone will say that there is
often a restriction on use of a connection as a server, but it doesn't
seem to be the outgoing bandwidth they are worrying about, it is the
incoming stuff.

I love P2P, it is our defence against corporate control of the media.
Trouble is that some of the corporations realise this and are fighting
back


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"Dave J" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> You mean you'd be happy to recomend a service that cripples the primary
> aspect of the internet (peer to peer file transfer)

Hmm, I wonder what basis you have for the assertion that P2P is the "primary
aspect of the Internet".

Certanily not one of our business clients uses P2P and I only know one
private
user that makes any use of it at all.

I'm not arguing that nobody uses it, obviously lots of people do. But I
think
that asserting that it is the "primary aspect" seems a bit barmy.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:57:20 UTC, Dave J <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> within
> uk.telecom.broadband, 'Peter M' wrote:
>
> >I'd personally be happy to
> >recommend TalkTalk's service on the basis they have a policy to not
> >allow peer-to-peer take excessive traffic from other users,
>
> You mean you'd be happy to recomend a service that cripples the primary
> aspect of the internet (peer to peer file transfer)

LOL! Howler of the year alert! It'll be hard to beat that one in the few
days remaining....

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In article <41cac1e2$0$219$(E-Mail Removed)>,
(E-Mail Removed)lid (Alastair) wrote:

> Certanily not one of our business clients uses P2P and I only know one
> private user that makes any use of it at all.

]None of your businesses use Windows Networking then?

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