XP to Win98 network problem

I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
problems.
I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
message occurs.

"\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

I've tried with the XP firewall turned off with the same result.

Zone Alarm and Grisoft AVG are installed on the win98

Any help appreciated.


John




Susan

"Susan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
> problems.
> I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
> Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
> However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
> message occurs.
>
> "\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
> network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

Your hardware network of two Win98 PCs connected
via crossover cable needed no software setup. Your
new network of XP and Win98 PC requires conventional
setup, done most easily by
1. On the Win98 PC, enable sharing via / Control Panel
/ Network. You should also prearrange that each PC
has a unique name but specify the same "workgroup."
2. Appropriate hardware connection.
3. On the WinXP PC, run the Network Wizard. As the
last function, create a NETSETUP floppy.
4. With the system CD handy in case needed, run NETSETUP
on the Win98 PC. This usually works OK (even if it generates
an error message that installation could not be completed.)

Repost back here with results.

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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Don Phillipson wrote:

> "Susan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> > I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
> > problems.
> > I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
> > Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
> > However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
> > message occurs.
> >
> > "\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
> > network resource. Contact the administrator ..."
>
> Your hardware network of two Win98 PCs connected
> via crossover cable needed no software setup. Your
> new network of XP and Win98 PC requires conventional
> setup, done most easily by
> 1. On the Win98 PC, enable sharing via / Control Panel
> / Network. You should also prearrange that each PC
> has a unique name but specify the same "workgroup."
> 2. Appropriate hardware connection.
> 3. On the WinXP PC, run the Network Wizard. As the
> last function, create a NETSETUP floppy.
> 4. With the system CD handy in case needed, run NETSETUP
> on the Win98 PC. This usually works OK (even if it generates
> an error message that installation could not be completed.)
>
> Repost back here with results.
>
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)

Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much better.
It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in XP'
and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They are
in the VALUEADD folder.

Dick

"Don Phillipson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%23Fi%(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Susan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> > I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
> > problems.
> > I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
> > Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
> > However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
> > message occurs.
> >
> > "\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
> > network resource. Contact the administrator ..."
>
> Your hardware network of two Win98 PCs connected
> via crossover cable needed no software setup. Your
> new network of XP and Win98 PC requires conventional
> setup, done most easily by
> 1. On the Win98 PC, enable sharing via / Control Panel
> / Network. You should also prearrange that each PC
> has a unique name but specify the same "workgroup."
> 2. Appropriate hardware connection.
> 3. On the WinXP PC, run the Network Wizard. As the
> last function, create a NETSETUP floppy.
> 4. With the system CD handy in case needed, run NETSETUP
> on the Win98 PC. This usually works OK (even if it generates
> an error message that installation could not be completed.)
>
> Repost back here with results.
>
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>

1. I assume the win98 is correctly set up since connecting to the old win98
allows file/printer sharing in both directions.
The 2 computers are named "sues" and "zeus" and both are in "WORKGROUP".

2. I assume the hardware is ok since the win98 can share the xp files.

3. I had already run the Network Wizard on th xp/ created the floppy;

4. and run it on the win98.

------------------
Done it.

Added NETBEUI protocol and it now works. (NETBEUI had to be installed on
both win98 computers for those to network.) It seems a bit slow!

They now share files and printers but not the internet connection.

John

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Don Phillipson wrote:
>
> > "Susan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > > I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
> > > problems.
> > > I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
> > > Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
> > > However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
> > > message occurs.
> > >
> > > "\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
> > > network resource. Contact the administrator ..."
> >
> > Your hardware network of two Win98 PCs connected
> > via crossover cable needed no software setup. Your
> > new network of XP and Win98 PC requires conventional
> > setup, done most easily by
> > 1. On the Win98 PC, enable sharing via / Control Panel
> > / Network. You should also prearrange that each PC
> > has a unique name but specify the same "workgroup."
> > 2. Appropriate hardware connection.
> > 3. On the WinXP PC, run the Network Wizard. As the
> > last function, create a NETSETUP floppy.
> > 4. With the system CD handy in case needed, run NETSETUP
> > on the Win98 PC. This usually works OK (even if it generates
> > an error message that installation could not be completed.)
> >
> > Repost back here with results.
> >
> > --
> > Don Phillipson
> > Carlsbad Springs
> > (Ottawa, Canada)
>
> Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much better.
> It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in XP'
> and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They are
> in the VALUEADD folder.
>
> Dick
>
Thanks. Adding NETBEUI allows file and printer sharing in both directions.

I'm still having problems sharing the internet connection.

John

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:32:37 -0500, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> > I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
>> > problems.
>> > I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
>> > Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
>> > However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
>> > message occurs.
>> >
>> > "\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
>> > network resource. Contact the administrator ..."
>
>Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much better.
>It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in XP'
>and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They are
>in the VALUEADD folder.
>
>Dick

I strongly recommend NOT installing NetBEUI (NetBios Extended User
Interface) in XP:

1. It's an unsupported protocol. Microsoft hasn't tested it and
doesn't guarantee that it will work.

2. All networking functions in Windows 98 and XP work fine using
TCP/IP.

3. Using more than one protocol on a network can make it function
unreliably, especially when XP is involved.
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -0000, "Susan"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> > > I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
>> > > problems.
>> > > I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
>> > > Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
>> > > However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
>> > > message occurs.
>> > >
>> > > "\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
>> > > network resource. Contact the administrator ..."
>>
>> Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much better.
>> It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in XP'
>> and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They are
>> in the VALUEADD folder.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>Thanks. Adding NETBEUI allows file and printer sharing in both directions.
>
>I'm still having problems sharing the internet connection.
>
>John

A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:53:32 -0000, "Susan"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Done it.
>
>Added NETBEUI protocol and it now works. (NETBEUI had to be installed on
>both win98 computers for those to network.) It seems a bit slow!
>
>They now share files and printers but not the internet connection.


That's because NetBEUI is but tcp/ip isn't configured properly (yet).

If tcp/ip is configured properly you won't need NetBEUI. I would
advise you to follow the recommendations of Steve Winograd and don't
use it.


Jim.

"Steve Winograd" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -0000, "Susan"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >> > > I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
> >> > > problems.
> >> > > I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
> >> > > Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
> >> > > However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the
following
> >> > > message occurs.
> >> > >
> >> > > "\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use
this
> >> > > network resource. Contact the administrator ..."
> >>
> >> Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much
better.
> >> It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in
XP'
> >> and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They
are
> >> in the VALUEADD folder.
> >>
> >> Dick
> >>
> >Thanks. Adding NETBEUI allows file and printer sharing in both
directions.
> >
> >I'm still having problems sharing the internet connection.
> >
> >John
>
> A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
> unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
> computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.
>
> A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
> problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
> File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Thanks for the help.


I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98 dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
>> unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
>> computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.
>>
>> A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
>> problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
>> File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
>ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
>Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
>Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
>allows it to work with High and Medium settings.
>
>I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98 dial-up
>modem.
>
>Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
>mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."
>
>John

You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings.

Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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