Newbie netwok questions

I have set up two netwoks which work OK but with a couple of problems
One network is using a Netgear modem router and I have my office desktop and
laptop on that plus another PC which has a netwrok switch and four PC's
connected to it.
I have turned off the DHCP so that I can assign IP's to the network on the
modem/router. I do not know how to force the IP's of the "sub network". I am
running .ini files which need to have the IP of the PC it is serving.
In fact the PC at the centre of the sub-network seems to have two IP's; the
one from the modem router and one it generates itself for the "sub network".
This gives me a problem with the .ini files such that I can only connect my
software across the PC'S on the sub-network if I turn off the connection
(wireless) to the router.
Can anyone explain to me what is happening?
Regards
Barry




Barry

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:59:01 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:

>I have set up two netwoks which work OK but with a couple of problems
>One network is using a Netgear modem router and I have my office desktop and
>laptop on that plus another PC which has a netwrok switch and four PC's
>connected to it.
>I have turned off the DHCP so that I can assign IP's to the network on the
>modem/router. I do not know how to force the IP's of the "sub network". I am
>running .ini files which need to have the IP of the PC it is serving.
>In fact the PC at the centre of the sub-network seems to have two IP's; the
>one from the modem router and one it generates itself for the "sub network".
>This gives me a problem with the .ini files such that I can only connect my
>software across the PC'S on the sub-network if I turn off the connection
>(wireless) to the router.
>Can anyone explain to me what is happening?

Er, not really sure what you've done there.

What's this 'sub network'?

You should just have everything connected to a single network. Do
some, or at least on, of the PC's have 2 network cards?
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Regards,
Stuart.

Yes I have two cards, one wireless back to the router and one cable to the
hub of the second network.
Barry

"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:59:01 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:
>
>>I have set up two netwoks which work OK but with a couple of problems
>>One network is using a Netgear modem router and I have my office desktop
>>and
>>laptop on that plus another PC which has a netwrok switch and four PC's
>>connected to it.
>>I have turned off the DHCP so that I can assign IP's to the network on the
>>modem/router. I do not know how to force the IP's of the "sub network". I
>>am
>>running .ini files which need to have the IP of the PC it is serving.
>>In fact the PC at the centre of the sub-network seems to have two IP's;
>>the
>>one from the modem router and one it generates itself for the "sub
>>network".
>>This gives me a problem with the .ini files such that I can only connect
>>my
>>software across the PC'S on the sub-network if I turn off the connection
>>(wireless) to the router.
>>Can anyone explain to me what is happening?
>
> Er, not really sure what you've done there.
>
> What's this 'sub network'?
>
> You should just have everything connected to a single network. Do
> some, or at least on, of the PC's have 2 network cards?
> --
> Regards,
> Stuart.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:07:26 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:

>"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:59:01 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:
>>
>>>I have set up two netwoks which work OK but with a couple of problems
>>>One network is using a Netgear modem router and I have my office desktop
>>>and
>>>laptop on that plus another PC which has a netwrok switch and four PC's
>>>connected to it.
>>>I have turned off the DHCP so that I can assign IP's to the network on the
>>>modem/router. I do not know how to force the IP's of the "sub network". I
>>>am
>>>running .ini files which need to have the IP of the PC it is serving.
>>>In fact the PC at the centre of the sub-network seems to have two IP's;
>>>the
>>>one from the modem router and one it generates itself for the "sub
>>>network".
>>>This gives me a problem with the .ini files such that I can only connect
>>>my
>>>software across the PC'S on the sub-network if I turn off the connection
>>>(wireless) to the router.
>>>Can anyone explain to me what is happening?
>>
>> Er, not really sure what you've done there.
>>
>> What's this 'sub network'?
>>
>> You should just have everything connected to a single network. Do
>> some, or at least on, of the PC's have 2 network cards?

>Yes I have two cards, one wireless back to the router and one cable to the
>hub of the second network.

Best thing to do would be to remove the wireless card from the PC and
use a wired connection back to the router if possible, second best
option would be remove the wireless card and use a wireless bridge.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:07:26 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:
>
>>"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:(E-Mail Removed). ..
>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:59:01 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:
>>>
>>>>I have set up two netwoks which work OK but with a couple of problems
>>>>One network is using a Netgear modem router and I have my office desktop
>>>>and
>>>>laptop on that plus another PC which has a netwrok switch and four PC's
>>>>connected to it.
>>>>I have turned off the DHCP so that I can assign IP's to the network on
>>>>the
>>>>modem/router. I do not know how to force the IP's of the "sub network".
>>>>I
>>>>am
>>>>running .ini files which need to have the IP of the PC it is serving.
>>>>In fact the PC at the centre of the sub-network seems to have two IP's;
>>>>the
>>>>one from the modem router and one it generates itself for the "sub
>>>>network".
>>>>This gives me a problem with the .ini files such that I can only connect
>>>>my
>>>>software across the PC'S on the sub-network if I turn off the connection
>>>>(wireless) to the router.
>>>>Can anyone explain to me what is happening?
>>>
>>> Er, not really sure what you've done there.
>>>
>>> What's this 'sub network'?
>>>
>>> You should just have everything connected to a single network. Do
>>> some, or at least on, of the PC's have 2 network cards?
>
>>Yes I have two cards, one wireless back to the router and one cable to the
>>hub of the second network.
>
> Best thing to do would be to remove the wireless card from the PC and
> use a wired connection back to the router if possible, second best
> option would be remove the wireless card and use a wireless bridge.
> --
> Regards,
> Stuart.

I can't really wire back, it is at the bottom of the garden. I have not come
across a wireless bridge and having Googled it I think that it what I need.
Something like the Netgear WGE101which I presume I can plug my 7 point wired
hub into and then four or five PC's into that.
I did wonder, having a spare wireless router whether I could somehow use
that to talk back to the other router but perhaps I am pushing it a bit
there!
Thanks for your invaluauble help.
Barry

"Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:07:26 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:
>>
>>>"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:59:01 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:
>>>>
>>>>>I have set up two netwoks which work OK but with a couple of problems
>>>>>One network is using a Netgear modem router and I have my office
>>>>>desktop
>>>>>and
>>>>>laptop on that plus another PC which has a netwrok switch and four PC's
>>>>>connected to it.
>>>>>I have turned off the DHCP so that I can assign IP's to the network on
>>>>>the
>>>>>modem/router. I do not know how to force the IP's of the "sub network".
>>>>>I
>>>>>am
>>>>>running .ini files which need to have the IP of the PC it is serving.
>>>>>In fact the PC at the centre of the sub-network seems to have two IP's;
>>>>>the
>>>>>one from the modem router and one it generates itself for the "sub
>>>>>network".
>>>>>This gives me a problem with the .ini files such that I can only
>>>>>connect
>>>>>my
>>>>>software across the PC'S on the sub-network if I turn off the
>>>>>connection
>>>>>(wireless) to the router.
>>>>>Can anyone explain to me what is happening?
>>>>
>>>> Er, not really sure what you've done there.
>>>>
>>>> What's this 'sub network'?
>>>>
>>>> You should just have everything connected to a single network. Do
>>>> some, or at least on, of the PC's have 2 network cards?
>>
>>>Yes I have two cards, one wireless back to the router and one cable to
>>>the
>>>hub of the second network.
>>
>> Best thing to do would be to remove the wireless card from the PC and
>> use a wired connection back to the router if possible, second best
>> option would be remove the wireless card and use a wireless bridge.
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Stuart.
>
> I can't really wire back, it is at the bottom of the garden. I have not
> come across a wireless bridge and having Googled it I think that it what I
> need. Something like the Netgear WGE101which I presume I can plug my 7
> point wired hub into and then four or five PC's into that.
> I did wonder, having a spare wireless router whether I could somehow use
> that to talk back to the other router but perhaps I am pushing it a bit
> there!
> Thanks for your invaluauble help.
> Barry
>
As another thought can Windows Network bridge be brought into play?
Barry

>

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:05:28 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:

>>>>Yes I have two cards, one wireless back to the router and one cable to
>>>>the
>>>>hub of the second network.
>>>
>>> Best thing to do would be to remove the wireless card from the PC and
>>> use a wired connection back to the router if possible, second best
>>> option would be remove the wireless card and use a wireless bridge.
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Stuart.
>>
>> I can't really wire back, it is at the bottom of the garden. I have not
>> come across a wireless bridge and having Googled it I think that it what I
>> need. Something like the Netgear WGE101which I presume I can plug my 7
>> point wired hub into and then four or five PC's into that.

I was thinking more of a WPN802. What's the router that you have?

>> I did wonder, having a spare wireless router whether I could somehow use
>> that to talk back to the other router but perhaps I am pushing it a bit
>> there!

Possibly, depends on what the 2 routers are.

>As another thought can Windows Network bridge be brought into play?
>Barry
>
I wouldn't.
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Regards,
Stuart.

"Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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[snip]
>> I did wonder, having a spare wireless router whether I could somehow use
>> >> that to talk back to the other router but perhaps I am pushing it a
>> bit there!

I have never seen a router that can act as a wireless client, although the
hardware is most likely capable. If both routers support WDS then maybe that
can be used.

>> Thanks for your invaluauble help.
>>
> As another thought can Windows Network bridge be brought into play?

I have read that a number of wireless adaptors don't work as part of a
bridge. Also, it would require the computer forming the bridge to be
running.

I think your best bet is a wireless client bridge. I strongly advise one
that supports WPA encryption.

Alex

"Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> [snip]
>>> I did wonder, having a spare wireless router whether I could somehow use
>>> >> that to talk back to the other router but perhaps I am pushing it a
>>> bit there!
>
> I have never seen a router that can act as a wireless client, although the
> hardware is most likely capable. If both routers support WDS then maybe
> that can be used.
>
>>> Thanks for your invaluauble help.
>>>
>> As another thought can Windows Network bridge be brought into play?
>
> I have read that a number of wireless adaptors don't work as part of a
> bridge. Also, it would require the computer forming the bridge to be
> running.
>
> I think your best bet is a wireless client bridge. I strongly advise one
> that supports WPA encryption.
>
> Alex
>
The WPN 802 would need me to buy wirless PCI cards for every PC. Once I've
done that they could all talk back to the router anyway. I'm trying to hard
wire the sub network in the bottom of the garden and just have one wireless
link back to the router.
Alex what wireless client bridge would you use?
Barry

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:23:15 +0100, "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> mused:

>
>"Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>> "Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> [snip]
>>>> I did wonder, having a spare wireless router whether I could somehow use
>>>> >> that to talk back to the other router but perhaps I am pushing it a
>>>> bit there!
>>
>> I have never seen a router that can act as a wireless client, although the
>> hardware is most likely capable. If both routers support WDS then maybe
>> that can be used.
>>
>>>> Thanks for your invaluauble help.
>>>>
>>> As another thought can Windows Network bridge be brought into play?
>>
>> I have read that a number of wireless adaptors don't work as part of a
>> bridge. Also, it would require the computer forming the bridge to be
>> running.
>>
>> I think your best bet is a wireless client bridge. I strongly advise one
>> that supports WPA encryption.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>The WPN 802 would need me to buy wirless PCI cards for every PC.

How so?

I don;t know what kit you have so can'tv specifically offer anything,
I'm just guessing.
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Regards,
Stuart.