Windows ME Networking Problem

Hi,
I am helping my neighbor convert from dial up to SBC DSL. The line was
brought up and we installed all the filters in the house. The DSL came with a
Speed Strem 4100 modem. This modem looks like a high speed connection to the
PC not a broadband connection. We followed all the directions and brought the
PC up. The main problem is that after the PC comes up from being powered down
and you start IE you are unable to make a connection. If you restart the PC ,
without powering it off, you are ok until you power off and then you have to
do a system restart to get it to work. The PC is running Windows ME and is up
to current maintenance. I am running AVG and Zone Alarm. But it fails even if
I don't have them up.
I took my Speed Strem 5360 from at home and connected it on the ME PC. This
uses a broadband connect that uses the program to start and stop the
connection sending a ID and Password. Using this configuration IE works just
fine.
I took their 4100 modem to my house and connected it and it works fine, but
I am using windows XP.
Any ideas what I need to due to make ME work after a power up.

Thanks
Rick



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Is the PC connected by USB or by Ethernet Cable??
AFAICT, the only option on the 4100 is Ethernet - although the almost
identical 4200 has a USB option as well

That said - and assuming Ethernet connections, there should be no problem at
all, since as far as the PC is concerned that router is merely another PC on
the local network. If it's not seeing it as such then suspect that DHCP
isn't configured properly on the router.

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"rick s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I am helping my neighbor convert from dial up to SBC DSL. The line was
> brought up and we installed all the filters in the house. The DSL came
> with a
> Speed Strem 4100 modem. This modem looks like a high speed connection to
> the
> PC not a broadband connection. We followed all the directions and brought
> the
> PC up. The main problem is that after the PC comes up from being powered
> down
> and you start IE you are unable to make a connection. If you restart the
> PC ,
> without powering it off, you are ok until you power off and then you have
> to
> do a system restart to get it to work. The PC is running Windows ME and is
> up
> to current maintenance. I am running AVG and Zone Alarm. But it fails even
> if
> I don't have them up.
> I took my Speed Strem 5360 from at home and connected it on the ME PC.
> This
> uses a broadband connect that uses the program to start and stop the
> connection sending a ID and Password. Using this configuration IE works
> just
> fine.
> I took their 4100 modem to my house and connected it and it works fine,
> but
> I am using windows XP.
> Any ideas what I need to due to make ME work after a power up.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:28:05 -0800, rick s wrote:

> Hi,
> I am helping my neighbor convert from dial up to SBC DSL. The line was
> brought up and we installed all the filters in the house. The DSL came with a
> Speed Strem 4100 modem. This modem looks like a high speed connection to the
> PC not a broadband connection. We followed all the directions and brought the
> PC up. The main problem is that after the PC comes up from being powered down
> and you start IE you are unable to make a connection. If you restart the PC ,
> without powering it off, you are ok until you power off and then you have to
> do a system restart to get it to work. The PC is running Windows ME and is up
> to current maintenance. I am running AVG and Zone Alarm. But it fails even if
> I don't have them up.
> I took my Speed Strem 5360 from at home and connected it on the ME PC. This
> uses a broadband connect that uses the program to start and stop the
> connection sending a ID and Password. Using this configuration IE works just
> fine.
> I took their 4100 modem to my house and connected it and it works fine, but
> I am using windows XP.
> Any ideas what I need to due to make ME work after a power up.

Your SS5360 is a bridged modem. Your neighbor's SS4100 is a bit fancier,
being able to initiate a PPPoE login session from the modem. This is not an
MSFT thing, but a Siemens/SBC thing. Best place I can think of to help
would be here:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ilec,am

If there is no router involved, you would either need a connection manager
(something like "RASPPPoE") on the computer, or you would connect to the
modem using http://192.168.0.1/, and enter the PPPoE log in information on
the computer. Either method should work. You will get more details at the
site above.

Actually, to elaborate a bit, the SBC-issued SS4100 DSL Modem can be
accessed from a web browser at:

http://192.168.0.1/

For no router:

If you don't do anything to this modem out of the box, not even access it
via the browser, and just run the SBC provided connection manager (for
Windows 98/ME/2K; Windows XP includes a PPPoE connection manager, so don't
use a different one), the modem will start up in bridged mode
automatically. When you run the connection manager, that will log in the
DSL session. The status lights, upon synch, will be:

Power - Green
Ethernet - Green
DSL - Green
Internet - Unlit
Activity - Flash with data flow

In this configuration, the connection is lost when the computer is shut
down.

If you decide to put the PPPoE login information in the modem, it will
initiate the PPPoE login, and you won't need the connection manager on the
computer.

The modem default is then "PPP is on the modem, use a public IP address".
When you start up the modem, after it synchs to the DSLAM, it will initiate
the PPPoE login. At this point, the modem will present the public IP
address on the Ethernet port; any connected device will pull it when set to
obtain an IP address automatically. When a computer is booted, the modem
status lights will be:

Power - Green
Ethernet - Green
DSL - Green
Internet - Green
Activity - Flash with data flow

If you change the modem from the default to "PPP is on the modem, use a
private IP address", everything will be the same as for passing through the
public IP address with one exception; the device will be assigned
192.168.1.64 instead of the public IP address.

If you add a router, you would configure the router to obtain an IP address
automatically on the WAN side; this is the same choice as a cable customer
would use. If you change the router LAN IP address to 192.168.x.1, where
'x' is from '1' to '255', you will be able to access the modem
configuration pages in a web browser through the router. Any applications
requiring that unsolicited packets be accepted from the Internet will see
this rig as a "cascaded NAT" (or, by popular terminology, "double NAT").

One important note needs to be stressed; if the modem is running in NAT
mode, it _will_ pass all unsolicited packets through without doing some
non-supported trickery. This is a modem, which uses DHCP to assign an IP
address (as in _ONE_ IP address); whether it is the public IP address, or
the NAT IP address 192.168.1.64, there is _NO_ firewall. No packet
filtering. No SPI. You are as exposed as if this were a bridged modem! And
there is no way to change either the modem IP address (192.168.0.1), or the
private IP address assigned by the DHCP server (192.168.1.64).

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

"N. Miller" wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:28:05 -0800, rick s wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I am helping my neighbor convert from dial up to SBC DSL. The line was
> > brought up and we installed all the filters in the house. The DSL came with a
> > Speed Strem 4100 modem. This modem looks like a high speed connection to the
> > PC not a broadband connection. We followed all the directions and brought the
> > PC up. The main problem is that after the PC comes up from being powered down
> > and you start IE you are unable to make a connection. If you restart the PC ,
> > without powering it off, you are ok until you power off and then you have to
> > do a system restart to get it to work. The PC is running Windows ME and is up
> > to current maintenance. I am running AVG and Zone Alarm. But it fails even if
> > I don't have them up.
> > I took my Speed Strem 5360 from at home and connected it on the ME PC. This
> > uses a broadband connect that uses the program to start and stop the
> > connection sending a ID and Password. Using this configuration IE works just
> > fine.
> > I took their 4100 modem to my house and connected it and it works fine, but
> > I am using windows XP.
> > Any ideas what I need to due to make ME work after a power up.
>
> Your SS5360 is a bridged modem. Your neighbor's SS4100 is a bit fancier,
> being able to initiate a PPPoE login session from the modem. This is not an
> MSFT thing, but a Siemens/SBC thing. Best place I can think of to help
> would be here:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ilec,am
>
> If there is no router involved, you would either need a connection manager
> (something like "RASPPPoE") on the computer, or you would connect to the
> modem using http://192.168.0.1/, and enter the PPPoE log in information on
> the computer. Either method should work. You will get more details at the
> site above.
>
> Actually, to elaborate a bit, the SBC-issued SS4100 DSL Modem can be
> accessed from a web browser at:
>
> http://192.168.0.1/
>
> For no router:
>
> If you don't do anything to this modem out of the box, not even access it
> via the browser, and just run the SBC provided connection manager (for
> Windows 98/ME/2K; Windows XP includes a PPPoE connection manager, so don't
> use a different one), the modem will start up in bridged mode
> automatically. When you run the connection manager, that will log in the
> DSL session. The status lights, upon synch, will be:
>
> Power - Green
> Ethernet - Green
> DSL - Green
> Internet - Unlit
> Activity - Flash with data flow
>
> In this configuration, the connection is lost when the computer is shut
> down.
>
> If you decide to put the PPPoE login information in the modem, it will
> initiate the PPPoE login, and you won't need the connection manager on the
> computer.
>
> The modem default is then "PPP is on the modem, use a public IP address".
> When you start up the modem, after it synchs to the DSLAM, it will initiate
> the PPPoE login. At this point, the modem will present the public IP
> address on the Ethernet port; any connected device will pull it when set to
> obtain an IP address automatically. When a computer is booted, the modem
> status lights will be:
>
> Power - Green
> Ethernet - Green
> DSL - Green
> Internet - Green
> Activity - Flash with data flow
>
> If you change the modem from the default to "PPP is on the modem, use a
> private IP address", everything will be the same as for passing through the
> public IP address with one exception; the device will be assigned
> 192.168.1.64 instead of the public IP address.
>
> If you add a router, you would configure the router to obtain an IP address
> automatically on the WAN side; this is the same choice as a cable customer
> would use. If you change the router LAN IP address to 192.168.x.1, where
> 'x' is from '1' to '255', you will be able to access the modem
> configuration pages in a web browser through the router. Any applications
> requiring that unsolicited packets be accepted from the Internet will see
> this rig as a "cascaded NAT" (or, by popular terminology, "double NAT").
>
> One important note needs to be stressed; if the modem is running in NAT
> mode, it _will_ pass all unsolicited packets through without doing some
> non-supported trickery. This is a modem, which uses DHCP to assign an IP
> address (as in _ONE_ IP address); whether it is the public IP address, or
> the NAT IP address 192.168.1.64, there is _NO_ firewall. No packet
> filtering. No SPI. You are as exposed as if this were a bridged modem! And
> there is no way to change either the modem IP address (192.168.0.1), or the
> private IP address assigned by the DHCP server (192.168.1.64).
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
>
I would like to thank you for the information you sent.
I took the 4100 modem back to my neighbors house and put it on the PC with
Windows Me on it. I powered up the modem and hit the reset button on the back
which set it up to have the PPP on the host. I installed the SBC DSL start
program. Life was great I was able to power off and on the PC and have
everything work just great.
Then I went in 192.168.0.1 and added my login in and password. I also
chanaged the PPP to the modem. My connection came up and I was able to use IE
and check AVG for updates and check Zone Alarm for updates. I restarted the
PC using option restart and everything still worked. Then I powered off the
PC using a shut down. The PC powered off ok. When I powered the PC back up
everything came up OK. I was able to check for updates for AVG and Zone
Alarm. I hit the Icon for IE and nothing happened. I tried it a few times and
then I did a cntrl / alt / del all my explore sessions were showing no
response. I ended each one and system went back to the white wall paper
asking if I wanted to reload the wallpaper. I did and the PC went back to
normal. I did a restart and everything worked fine. Shut it down and brought
it back up to same problem. This does not make sense.

So to say the least I moved everthing back to PPP on the host.

Any ideas?

Thanks again,
Rick

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--
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Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

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"rick s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:9FBB7FDE-5761-46AA-83F2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I would like to thank you for the information you sent.
> I took the 4100 modem back to my neighbors house and put it on the PC with
> Windows Me on it. I powered up the modem and hit the reset button on the
> back
> which set it up to have the PPP on the host. I installed the SBC DSL start
> program. Life was great I was able to power off and on the PC and have
> everything work just great.
> Then I went in 192.168.0.1 and added my login in and password. I also
> chanaged the PPP to the modem. My connection came up and I was able to use
> IE
> and check AVG for updates and check Zone Alarm for updates. I restarted
> the
> PC using option restart and everything still worked. Then I powered off
> the
> PC using a shut down. The PC powered off ok. When I powered the PC back up
> everything came up OK. I was able to check for updates for AVG and Zone
> Alarm. I hit the Icon for IE and nothing happened. I tried it a few times
> and
> then I did a cntrl / alt / del all my explore sessions were showing no
> response. I ended each one and system went back to the white wall paper
> asking if I wanted to reload the wallpaper. I did and the PC went back to
> normal. I did a restart and everything worked fine. Shut it down and
> brought
> it back up to same problem. This does not make sense.
>
> So to say the least I moved everthing back to PPP on the host.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks again,
> Rick